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rigbymauser
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Stutzen inn 11,2x72 Schüler....
#302019 - 20/06/17 06:30 AM

Nice gun...interesting caliber. But fire a full load 11,2x72 Schüler in a stutzen(full stocked)...no way for generel shooting and hunting. I could shoot it to prove I can but it would be very unpleasent.

http://cordite.de/Auktion/2696/Rarer-Fund-Grosswild-Safari-Stutzen-Hansen-Kal.-11,2x72.html

Url should now work. NitroX

Edited by NitroX (20/06/17 08:54 PM)

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Re: Stutzen inn 11,2x72 Schüler.... [Re: rigbymauser]
#302047 - 20/06/17 01:44 PM

not possible to make the link working Url now works!

with 59 cm barrel length its not so short a stutzen should be to deserve this name. with this barrel length I would not push the rifle out of the bed.

think its not made by Hansen/Hamburg but for Hansen in Suhl looking on the octagonal to round barrel.

Edited by NitroX (20/06/17 08:53 PM)

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Re: Stutzen inn 11,2x72 Schüler.... [Re: lancaster]
#302053 - 20/06/17 04:47 PM

This should work:

http://cordite.de/Auktion/2696/Rarer-Fund-Grosswild-Safari-Stutzen-Hansen-Kal-112x72.html

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Re: Stutzen inn 11,2x72 Schüler.... [Re: lancaster]
#302066 - 20/06/17 08:48 PM

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with 59 cm barrel length its not so short a stutzen should be to deserve this name. with this barrel length I would not push the rifle out of the bed.

I think I would remove the ventilated recoil pad before I let it into bed, however. I agree, though, too long a barrel for a "Stutzen".

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Re: Stutzen inn 11,2x72 Schüler.... [Re: xausa]
#302069 - 20/06/17 08:56 PM

With the full wood stock and calibre, might quality for Harold Wolf's idea of the ideal jungle rifle.

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Re: Stutzen inn 11,2x72 Schüler.... [Re: NitroX]
#302070 - 20/06/17 08:58 PM

What is that cartridge? Not sure if I have ever heard of it before or at least had a good look at it? 11.2mmx72 = .44"

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Re: Stutzen inn 11,2x72 Schüler.... [Re: NitroX]
#302086 - 21/06/17 12:10 AM

http://www.municion.org/

older but little brother of the .500 Jeffery(12,7x70 Schüler

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=301666&Main=301666#Post301666

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jgrabow
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Re: Stutzen inn 11,2x72 Schüler.... [Re: lancaster]
#302088 - 21/06/17 12:41 AM

It's a rebated rim cartridge that shoots a .440" 401gr Woodleigh bullet 2400+ fps.

Here is a picture of a 11.2x72 next to a 375 H&H.

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Re: Stutzen inn 11,2x72 Schüler.... [Re: jgrabow]
#302090 - 21/06/17 01:12 AM

Pierre van der Walt wrote up the cartridge in "African Dangerous Game Cartridges". There is a non-rebated version using resized 404 Jeffery cases. Bullets are hard to find. Woodleigh and Hawk make softs but nobody makes solids. I tried for years to get GS to make solids without success.

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Re: Stutzen inn 11,2x72 Schüler.... [Re: jgrabow]
#302096 - 21/06/17 02:28 AM

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think its not made by Hansen/Hamburg but for Hansen in Suhl looking on the octagonal to round barrel.

Hansen was the retailer. Christian Hansen ran the gunshop at Hermannstrasse 35, Hamburg, from 1910 to 1919 only. The rifle was almost certainly made "for the trade" by the August Schüler company, Roschstr.13, Suhl, from 1912 on run by Richard Schüler (grandson of A.), the designer of the cartridge. Burgsmueller too bought in "his" heavy big game rifles from the A. Schüler company.

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Re: Stutzen inn 11,2x72 Schüler.... [Re: kuduae]
#302104 - 21/06/17 04:52 AM

I notice that the advert calls the rifle a "Birschbuechse" rather than a Pirschbuechse. I tried googling the term but nothing came up. Is it just an old term for Pirsch or does it mean something different altogether.

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Re: Stutzen inn 11,2x72 Schüler.... [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#302105 - 21/06/17 04:58 AM

old term, no difference

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Re: Stutzen inn 11,2x72 Schüler.... [Re: lancaster]
#303428 - 29/07/17 11:03 PM

Gentlemen,

the 11,2x72 Schueler can be regarded as the equivalent of the 404, but with the odd bullet diamater and the unusual case with the rebated rim it is a piece of history.

58cm barrel: I load for the 11,2x72 Schueler (new buildt rifle of Harald Wolf) the Rottweil R907 powder and can obtain more than 700 m/s with the Degol 400grs SPRN and FMJ in a 65cm barrel. A shorter barrel with 58cm should be close to 680 m/s (recoil is another story...).

@ Jim:
Wim Degol in Belgium has a 400grs bonded core SPRN and a steel-jacketed FMJ in his standard bullet program.
Additional a 330grs SPRN for the 11,2x60 Schueler (not Mauser M71!)

best regards
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Wanabebwana
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Re: Stutzen inn 11,2x72 Schüler.... [Re: Rolf]
#304002 - 13/08/17 04:54 AM

It seems that the ideal bullet weight given caliber and powder capacity would be 450-465 grs. It is closer to a .458 than to a .416. Wonder if .458 bullets could be drawn down to .440? In any case a great heavyweight cartridge with a pedigree.

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Re: Stutzen inn 11,2x72 Schüler.... [Re: Wanabebwana]
#304005 - 13/08/17 08:31 AM

Woodleigh make them:- Catalogue No 67 11.2 Schuler .440" 401gn RN SN Box of 50 SD.296 BC.325 1800-2250fps range 1.167" long

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