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Yes, the 6.5X68 would be very good as would the 6.5SAUM. I would not discount the 7mm SAUM or WSM. Others I would consider include 7X64, 280Rem or the Ackley version. The 8x68s with a 170 to 200 grain bullet in a Titan 6 would be good.

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I was thinking something along the lines of a 6.5 as well..already have a 6.5 Creedmore as well as a 6.5/284 --the ballistics of the 6.5 bullets are amazing, IMHO...think they would do great pretty much anywhere in the world..all with modest recoil..

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Yes, the 6.5X68 would be very good as would the 6.5SAUM. I would not discount the 7mm SAUM or WSM. Others I would consider include 7X64, 280Rem or the Ackley version. The 8x68s with a 170 to 200 grain bullet in a Titan 6 would be good.

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I was thinking something along the lines of a 6.5 as well..already have a 6.5 Creedmore as well as a 6.5/284 --the ballistics of the 6.5 bullets are amazing, IMHO...think they would do great pretty much anywhere in the world..all with modest recoil..

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Ripp, you are getting soft in your old age

Very good point though.

Szihn, don't be a spoil sport What you say is true, it is the shooter that is the most important part and the most fallible. With a bit of practice I would not hesitate to use the 416 Rigby out to 400mts, with a lot of practice to 500. Yes I get satisfaction from pulling off a long shot but get more from getting up close.

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Why does everyone hate the 270? Not you guys but someone must u can buy remmington core locks for 20$ a box.my friend kills everything with a 300 ultra mag.

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Yes, the 6.5X68 would be very good as would the 6.5SAUM. I would not discount the 7mm SAUM or WSM. Others I would consider include 7X64, 280Rem or the Ackley version. The 8x68s with a 170 to 200 grain bullet in a Titan 6 would be good.

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I was thinking something along the lines of a 6.5 as well..already have a 6.5 Creedmore as well as a 6.5/284 --the ballistics of the 6.5 bullets are amazing, IMHO...think they would do great pretty much anywhere in the world..all with modest recoil..

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Ripp, you are getting soft in your old age

Very good point though.

Szihn, don't be a spoil sport What you say is true, it is the shooter that is the most important part and the most fallible. With a bit of practice I would not hesitate to use the 416 Rigby out to 400mts, with a lot of practice to 500. Yes I get satisfaction from pulling off a long shot but get more from getting up close.

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NOT quite yet, but, have all the larger calibers, 3,300,338 and 375RUM's...along with 375 H&H, 416,s, 458's and 470's..not to mention the 300 Win mag's...and one custome 7-300 Weatherby..my first gun I took to Alaska to hunt caribou..hammered 2 and a wolf the first 3 days thee..oh, I do have a 270 also ..but have not shot it in probably 15 years or so..good caliber but as Daryl states, many others that do the same thing better, IMHO..also have a 26 and 28 Nosler..personally the 28 is also a great flat shooting cartridge..I was told they might only last 6-800 rounds..don't care..once sighted in ..I am not going to hunt varmints with it..even at 500 rounds, would probably be more than I will shoot that one rifle in my lifetime..AND a barrel is what, $400 to $600?? Not a bad deal in my mind for what you get..

I have been shooting my 300RUM around the world since 2001..finally put a new barrel on it because I wanted a fluted one..the gunsmith told me the barrel was still in really good shape..and I KNOW I have exceed 500-to 600 in that easily..

Anyway..really like the 6.5/284..found this article while perusing the net over lunch..interesting comparing it to the 300Win..

https://journalofmountainhunting.com/2015/06/head-to-head-the-6-5-284-norma-vs-the-300-win-mag/

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Interesting article, of course. It really shows off the 6.5's "stuff".

Don't know what the pressures were, but the little 57mm IMP chamber I played with some time ago, my daughter's .260 CLC (Carol's Little Ctg.)was a 6mm rem, or 7x57 necked to hold a 6.5 bullet, with the front end shape of a .260Rem. - short neck with the standard 20 degree shoulder.

The case held 60gr. of water, same as the 6.5x284, seems to me.

I was loading 52.0gr. RE#19 (not positive on that load) with a 120gr. Barnes XLC and getting 3,308fps, using 30gr. LESS powder than my M70A .264Win Mag and of course, a mere 50fps short of the magnum.

That is likely a good load for long range goat/sheep-like critters, too.

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"Szihn, don't be a spoil sport"

OK OK.......I'll be good.

Just as a side not, I have about 60 chamber reamers. The ones that have been re-sharpened enough to be worn out and need to be replace are only 22-250 (1 time) 308 Winchester (1 time) and 270 Winchester (3 times)
So I don't think many people hate the 270. As a custom gunsmith I can tell you that there is far more love then hate for that cartridge. In my many years of making guns the 270 has been the #1 cartridge requested for custom rifles.
Even is the non-custom market it's reveling to see the 270 being the #4 seller for reloading dies, (#1 223, #2 308 Win, #3 30-06) so I don't think "everyone" hates the 270.

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When I left school I bought a .30-06 and also joined a deer hunting club.

At the deer hunting clubs annual target shoot, I was interested to note, only one other participant had a .30 calibre rifle. There were a lot of .270's, .243's some other less than .30 calibre rifles. Nothing over .30.

Most of the hunting was fallow deer, and of course goats and pigs. Many hunters did make trips to Victoria to hunt sambar deer. The .270 is legal and adequate for this.

Nowadays my guess there would be few if any .270's. Lots of .30's and a number of greater than .30 rifles represented. Probably few if any .243's.

Have these lesser calibre cartridges stopped being able to kill beasts? No. What has changed? Fashion and hype. Hype to sell new stuff. Fashion to use newer and "better" rounds.

My original choice of the .30-06 was because I wanted one cartridge able to be used for any and all medium game hunting anywhere in the world.

Same reason I went to the slightly more powerful 8x68S. This was partialy due to my shots with the .30-06 failing with some beasts in Africa. With hindsight it was probably more due to the particular projectile failing to perform and more likely the batch of the projectiles was defective. But it is good to have some extra oomph when trophy hunting and not just meat hunting.

BTW same reason I went to the .375 H&H Magnum, a cartridge which can handle any beast anywhere oin the world.

Both the .30-06 and .375 H&H Mag are also common. Not a defect, but a positive if ammo ever needs to be sourced.


So a but off topic. But a .270, which could kill well in the 1980's can still kill today.

Same as a .30-06, which also has only a slightly lesser trajectory.

But not fashionable or trendy!

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Agree with most, it is perhaps not fashionable or trendy. And yes, I am certain, the 270 or '06 would kill today as well as they did back 40 years ago. However I feel there are other reason as well. Perhaps it is also shooters, hunters, reloaders, competitors are also more informed today?? All the info we can read is at our fingertips on the "net".. whether accurate or not, is another question.

I for one have read, used, shot many more calibers than what was my uncles favorites were back in the day. It is of great interest to me. Ballistics of this caliber or that, along with the advancements in design of bullets by different manufacturers, more info on how ballistics are establishment, new methods in achieving those results, all make a difference. Some of it is hype sure, but also some of it is fact..otherwise the boys competing would not be buying them.

Agree with many suggestions on here of the 6.5 as a great place to start and perhaps end. For the game I would generally hunt in the mtns of the world, can't really think of any that could do as good or better for that matter. The 6.5's are proven to be ballistically superior to those in many other calibers including the 270 and '06. I am not bashing those calibers, just saying for extended ranges, especially those in long distance target shooting, the 6.5 in the last 20 years has proven itself to be a leader and winner.

Those who compete on a regular basis in Long Range Precision Rifle know volumes more than me and yet when you look at the results of the top 100 or 200 shooter for that matter, the 6.5 or 6mm are ruling the roost. Don't think that is just my happenstance. If the 270 or '06 would have been such great marvels in terms of those applications, one would have seen them used a ton in competition as those guys do anything to win, yet, mum is the word. In today's world, if the .270 caliber would be such a great marvel, someone would have necked it up, down or somewhere to make it a competitive long distance round. Yet, nothing. Sure they did come out with the 270WSM, which is a great deer, elk round and an improvement over the old standard .270. However as good as it is, it simply does not stack up to the ballistics of the 6.5 rounds. At least not when you make a fair and accurate comparison. Recently I was reviewing the NEW target bullets by Nosler, again, there is the .22 cal which is for the AR's used in competition, then it goes to the 6, 6.5 and 30's ..NO 270...pretty sure that isn't by accident.

https://www.nosler.com/rdf-bullet


Europeans have been enjoying the benefits of the 6.5 for many many years. Finally, in the last 20 years or so, the shooting community in my part of the planet has figured out there is more to this caliber than talk.

As I have stated many times before, I welcome new advancements, new technology, new calibers. IF someone wants to shoot with a musket, have at it. Have no problem with it. If you want to shoot your .270, go for it. It will do just fine and still kill a deer . However, if someone wants to shoot the latest, greatest, or something different than you like, then offer those who do the same response. Will it be better? Maybe..or not.. As long as you can shoot what you like, why does/would it matter?? Yet so many get their panties all bunched up if someone does..Life is too short, let it go Luke..


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Long range target shooting is an entirely different game, as I see it, from shooting animals.

One must decide for themselves, if the seemingly little pip-squeak calibres of the 'best' mid to long range target rifles is 'better' at killing the animals of chase, over the older, larger bored, heavier bullet firing guns many of us prefer.

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Agree--much different shooting targets vs animals..entirely different..one will use different calibers and bullets depending on what you are shooting ..target or game.. My point is times and things change..bullet construction is one of them..while the old reliable Partition will still do the same job it did 50 years ago, there are other contenders now that will do just as good or better..perfect example is the Barnes Triple X..one can normally go down in bullet weight if you wish given the bullet construction of that bullet allowing for a possible flatter trajectory..metals have changed, with a general acknowledgment it is considerably better now than it was 50-80 years ago, thus barrels are better and last longer..powders are better..and IMHO, for both target or hunting, some calibers now are better as well.

As to "pip-squeak" caliber..if you are referring to a 6.5..pretty sure there are are thousands of moose shot in Europe in the past 100 years that disagree..

My own experience is I have used a 264W Mag shooting 130 gr Nosler Accubonds (which is suppose to be an improved, modern version of the partition) --shot my first bull elk with it about 10 minutes into the season at a little over 400 yards..one shot, dead..have killed 2 more since then with the same rifle, same results..given my experience, and having been on numerous sheep, goat type hunts, the flatter shooting, lower recoiling 6.5 calibers would be a very nice fit..they are not big animals and seem to tip over quite easily if hit properly..

Agree, there are no definitive answers, we will each make our own decisions on what we feel is the correct choice which will more than likely be different from the next guy asked..my initial post was "perfect long range caliber for mtn game, sheep/ibex...would a '06 or 270 work?? absolutely..but for me that are not in the "perfect category"...

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