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The Blaser, I have been looking fairly hard, but, there is bugger all info, except for what is in this forum, so thats the only voice talking.

I have managed to track down witness from people who own and use Blaser bolt guns (accruatereloading forum). Which get a pretty good rap from them. The Blaser bolt gun's only real reported flaw is one it shares with the Canadian Ross rifle, another really good rifle, well, except for "that" flaw.

Though I'd like to see you try and convince a German engineer that tight tolerances can be bad. Engineers from Europe and Yankestan sometimes display a profound ignorance of dust and dust can and does do evil things to machinery.

As far as actual reports on the double, even any info, it is in very short supply (please help). The Blaser web site wastes lots more space on the trimmings (engraving etc.), which don't matter, than on the technical detail which does.

Pretty much all they say is their guns are real good and real pretty buy one real soon and the prettier the better. Yeah right, what else are they going to say? I note they seem to have that dickey cocking thingo Kreighoff seem so proud of. What is it with safeties? why all the buggerising around? give us a nice definite manual safety and have done.

"Why do you need to continually re regulate the double to your satisfaction"

Very good question.

First, we don't need to do any of this, we want to.

So, why do anything? The key word is satisfaction, what satisfaction do you derive from your chosen recreation, hunting.

Hunting is fun, pure and simple, what more needs be said or even can be said, if the phrase "hunting is fun" does not say it to you.

What do you hunt with? Knives and dogs? no, but you can. Bows and arrows? no, but you can. Guns? Pick me!

How do you hunt? This is DR territory, we stalk into the bush, get up close and personal and despatch the game (which can reciprocate, but, usually runs away) cleanly with the gun we trust to do it for us.

You clearly have a collection of guns which you have loaded up so they shoot. When you want to go hunting you take your choice, no criticism from my part, I know exactly where you are coming from.

In hunting if the game on the grass is the destination, what is the journey?

Now for me getting a gun so it shoots a load is just the beginng of getting to know the weapon. What else does it shoot, how does it shoot, what are its preferences, guns have distinct personalities.

Being stuck with one load is a bit of a pig in a poke (if you must be then thank Woodleigh for its many blessings), but, what about all those other fantastic projectile options out there?

If you only have the one choice and you have found it, well, boring toy time, stick it on the rack with all the others.

The more I put into the journey the more satisfaction I feel when I get to the destination. It pleases me to take game with the shells I have loaded myself, with the projectiles I have selected with a gun I have shaken down and sighted in (even more if I have selected the parts and had the weapon constructed according to my instructions).

Further, the more ground and game I cover with a weapon the more satisfaction I derive from it, the more confidence I develope with it. A virtuous circle.

"What is wrong with the Straight out factory loads in 9.3 x 74R or any of the others you want the manufacturer to chamber for ?"

Whoops, bad example, as it turns out lots (I will honor the intent of your question after the content).

Both, Norma and RWS KS 232 gns are unacceptable, these are designed for Euro driven game boar shooting. Irrelevant, I already own the ultimate pig rifle.

Norma 285gn Alaskans are likewise unacceptable.

Why?

Norma projectiles are 0.364" (nasty wrinkle, only found that out by chance), everyone else uses 0.366" (specifically Woodleigh), there are questions as to the reliability of Norma brass (case head separations reported after only two shots, ugly, nasty ugly) and these loads are already too damn hot.

The Norma loads are rocking, full blast, surfing on maximum, which is OK for Autumn on the Arctic Circle, but, what happens when I pull the trigger in 47 degrees Celsius (with pitiful ejector toys and questionable brass) exactly? precisely? Do you want to voluteer? Bags I stand behind you.

The option is the RWS T Mantel 285gr load, this is a big 0.366" soft point that looks very close in profile to the Woodleigh 285gn and is loaded 5% back off maximum.

I had been searching for a double that is regulated to something useful which I could hope to reproduce with a Woodleigh and my option turned out to be the Pedersoli hammer gun which is regulated to the RWS 285gn T Mantel, luke warm on that one, but, an option and I am grateful for that.

Merkel regulate to Norma loads, not acceptable, in fact, I cannot exclude the possibility of them being actually dangerous. I have asked them about regulation to other loads but no response. Most of the Euro's (eg. chapuis) regulate their DR 9.3x74R for pig loads, which I don't care about.

But, this content illustrates the intent of your question, what is wrong with guns regulated to factory loads? Lots, you are stuck with what someone else wants. Stuck with the B grade option, stuck in the second rate seat, stuck with someone else telling you what you want, stuff that, I want what I want and what do they know? Really?

The Euros clearly know about ice and snow but don't know shit about heat and dust, if I didn't know better and stuck a Norma 285gn load in a Merkel out west in Summer there is a very real possibility, even a likelyhood, I could be stuck with a jammed gun or worse.

What do I want, well I think a 9.3x74R regulated to shoot 320gn Woodleighs loafing along at 2,150fps would be a thing of great beauty, they are clearly made for each other, wouldn't that be a sweet thing, do I need it, no, I want it.

No 9.3x74R gun comes regulated for that....awwwww

Now we get right down to it, and having a gun regulated to shoot 320gnrs is still not quite it, I think it would be great to work up a Buff load go and knock one over, but, then spin around to the other extreme and work up a 250gn load for Sambar and go and knock one of them over, its the journey (load development, range time, hunt organisation, etc), there is no journey without a destination, a DR you could regulate means more destinations means more journeys.

Sure, you could probably do both with the 285gn, but, it would be more fun for me in doing the Buff with the 320gn and then the Sambar with the 250gn.

Do you see what I am trying to say?

What I want is something I can make into what I want when I want it to take me where I want to go. Simple.

"If it's velocity you want more of, velocity doesn't kill animals."

I completely agree, it is the projectile/velocity/placement totality that kills animals, being able to choose your projectile adds to that happenning, especially if it is in something that handles as well as a double.

"But go ahead. I'd like to see someone fire a 7.5lb 450."

Not this little black duck, by my calculations a 500gn doing 2,150fps is going to punch 3.25 times harder than your standard shotgun shell for the same weight gun, most people struggle with shotguns (checked your flinch lately).

If a 9.3x74R doesn't materialise (my options list is very thin) and the 45-90 0.75" freebore project gets the nod then it will be weighing at least 10lbs before I pull any triggers. That should tone a 400gn doing 2,150 recoil down to 1.8 times a 7.5lb shottie.

I must admit it was fun watching the lads on Accuratereloading firing the Tyrannosaur, the thing is useless, but, funny to watch them harm themselves, silly buggers, boys will be boys. I'm all for putting it together and seeing what happens, but, how could such a thing be hunted with, its a gimmick. Still, if it wasn't for experimenting we would still be swinging from the trees.

"IT ONLY HAS TO LET GO ONCE.
and a photo of someone's head splattered with pieces of chamber and receiver would make an interesting memorial to the person."

Yes it would and I would like to examine the pieces to see exactly what happenned.

Oh you are shocked! The stuntman who got killed making Mad Max, his mates insisted the actual footage be left in the movie as precisely that.

Funny attitude to risk taking there 500 Nitro old mate.

DR = DG = Risk taking.

Its about getting out of your cotton wool lined artificial wombs and stalking into the bush where you could get stamped into a greasy patch by a Buffalo, its about stalking into the lignum where you could get cut up by a boar (even though you could drive through in the ute).

When you hear of a base jumper whose parachute didn't open and he fell to his death, what reaction do you have?

When you hear about those lone round the world sailors who get capsized, what reaction do you have?

Mine is "so what", no tears for the tough guy, he took his chances and got it wrong.

Now, what about if you hear about a hunter who gets killed by DG? What reaction do you have?

No hypocrisy! No "what should my reaction be" bullshit.

Remember, that hunter's death validates the D in DG, so what is your reaction? really?

What attitude can you adopt to the essential something that makes DG what it is? Makes it the thing you think is excellent, eh?

"Why not just get out and shoot hunt with what you've got and let the bench rest boys do the endless tinkering."

They are toys, play with them. For the love of Pete I have to explain the joy of playing with your toys to you? You are missing out on fun.

What do you do on wet days stuck at home, apart for waste time on this forum, make moon calf eyes at your idle toys? Get stuck into a project in the shed!
Work towards your next trip.

AR2201
The sleep of reason breeds monsters

PS

Death of Hunter = Dangerous Game Hunting
Dangerous Game Hunting = Excellent
Death of Hunter = Excellent

Wipe the dust from the mirror
Look long, look hard
No wriggle room on that one