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Waidmannsheil
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New Mauser M98
      #297818 - 26/03/17 10:13 AM

Gentlemen, I was speaking yesterday to a chap who sells Mauser here in Australia and he showed me the sales brochure for the new Mauser M98 which is running parallel to the Rigby Stalker. Obviously they didn't make a big fuss about it at IWA so that Rigby could take all the limelight, however it looks bloody good. Comes in the same calibers, 308, 30-06, 7x57, 8x57, 9.3x62 and has the same barrel length of 22". Obviously the same barreled action. The stock has a pistol grip with grip cap, ebony forend tip and a cheek piece. The barrel has a banded front sight, banded sling swivel and a what looks to be a banded rear sight with a single standing leaf. The timber comes standard as grade 5 and there is a Diplomat model with grade 7 timber. Priced at $2000 less than the Rigby at AUD $10000 and an additional $1500 for the Diplomat, although the timber on the base model (It also has a name which I can't remember)is bloody nice.
The Rigby probably looks a little elegant where as the Mauser looks more workman like. Sort of like a Range Rover and a Land Cruiser. IMO. Below is a short video of the rifle at IWA, which is the only one I could find. Mialls gun shop are trying to have a full range at the Melbourne shot show in a couple of months so I will let everyone know what it is like. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-1nIaRxHbw

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #297819 - 26/03/17 10:38 AM

I have been looking at these for some time..my heart says yes my bank says no!

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: gryphon]
      #297823 - 26/03/17 01:44 PM

Unfortunately I am in the same boat.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #297825 - 26/03/17 02:01 PM

Will it be released for sale in the USA?

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #297826 - 26/03/17 02:04 PM

However sometime you have to bite the bullet and buy, especially if like me you have a hundred projects on the go that never get finished because you spend all day at work. If you want a new rifle that is beautiful with pretty much everything that you want already done, and you have no time yourself to make one, than this would be the cheapest way to get into the rifle of your dreams, so to speak. One in 9.3x62 would be a beauty.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Gundog01]
      #297827 - 26/03/17 02:06 PM

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Will it be released for sale in the USA?




If it is coming to Australia than you can be guaranteed that the USA will get them as well.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #297830 - 26/03/17 02:16 PM

I have studied these pages over and over! Drooling I must add!

Magnums below.

Barrel Length: 62cm / 24.4”

Weight: 4.4Kg / 9.7lbs (4.6Kg / 10.1lbs- heavy barrel profile)
Length of Pull: 37.5cm / 14.76”
Muzzle diameter: 17.5mm / 0.69” (20.5mm / 0.8”- heavy barrel profile)
Overall length: 118.5cm / 46.7”
Special curlwood in wood grade 5. (Higher wood grades available)
High magazine capacity: 5+1 (.375H&H) ; 4+1 (.416 Rigby)
Caliber: .375 H&H and .416 Rigby
.375 H&H only normal barrel profile, .416 Rigby with either normal or heavy barrel profile



Its a great looker too.

https://www.mauser.com/fileadmin/user_up...nen_beigelt.png


https://www.mauser.com/en/products/m98/

The options page is worth looking further also.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: gryphon]
      #297832 - 26/03/17 02:25 PM

Gryph, the M98 I am talking about is a standard length action, not a magnum.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #297835 - 26/03/17 03:16 PM

I have studied that page as well cobber,they are all good!

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: gryphon]
      #297836 - 26/03/17 03:37 PM

Quote:

I have been looking at these for some time..my heart says yes my bank says no!


They look pretty damn good to me Gryphon...........Yes I know your pain bud!!!

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #297841 - 26/03/17 04:17 PM

my life is to short for new made guns

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: lancaster]
      #297854 - 26/03/17 07:55 PM

Wundebar! Great to see the new rise of the Mauser 98.

I am particularly annoyed though about the wonderful new-old styled stock on the M03. As I acquired an "Alpine" model from a forum member a couple of years ago. One of these new classic Mauser stocks is EXACLY what this hunter ordered!!!

I like the new Mauser 98 standard action rifles. Well done to Mauser.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: NitroX]
      #297869 - 27/03/17 02:19 AM

The older Mauser site had DSB standard M98s along with the Magnum. Wonder what happened to them?

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Huvius]
      #297881 - 27/03/17 05:44 AM

Yes I noticed this as well. It seems as though that Mauser removed these from their website some time ago with only the Magnum action for sale. My guess is that as the standard length action was sourced externally they dropped it from the line-up to make way for the in-house produced model that we see now. The caliber choice before hand was also much greater including 9.3x64. Considering that they only offer five choices which are the same as those offered by Rigby, one has to wonder whether the barrel is threaded and therefore removable, or is it permanently attached like on the Mauser M12. Maybe John could ask Marc Newton.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #297950 - 27/03/17 11:30 PM

Quote:

one has to wonder whether the barrel is threaded and therefore removable, or is it permanently attached like on the Mauser M12.



My guess is 100% threaded. Just like any other Mauser M98.

Want to make a bet on this? How much?

Mauser M12 is not a Mauser 98.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: NitroX]
      #297975 - 28/03/17 04:56 AM

Mauser M12 is not a Mauser 98.

I still want one or two of those as well!

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: gryphon]
      #297976 - 28/03/17 05:12 AM

Your right, a M12 is not a M98, and I never said it was. It just seems strange that both the Rigby and the Mauser have the same identical chamberings with none of the very popular US cartridges such as 300 WM, 243 Win. ans 270 Win., all of which are very popular in Europe as well as the US. I can understand the Rigby but am amazed that the Mauser would not come with more choices. Anyway I guess we will see.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #297978 - 28/03/17 05:25 AM

I am not sure if the New Mauser 98 will become a bestseller.
So far one can see on the very few detailed pictures, it is a round top action. The rear bridge without the typical charger hump looks like the not highly estimated machining them off on the "Old Mausers".

A single square bridge action is a far better option. At least to my taste.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298016 - 28/03/17 05:55 PM

W'SHEIL,
Don't give them any mad ideas about changing the barrel thread design on a pattern 98 Mauser!

I like the stock style, also looks similar to the Mauser magnums, brief images posted of them recently by NitroX.

What do you think about the small machine cut checkering designs on them? They look fully laser or cnc cut on the Mauser's. On the Highland Stalker the checkering looks like it has more hand work in it.

I think it is logical in this model that both makes have the same caliber range. Doesn't Mauser or Blaser own part of Rigby? Logical from a company perspective anyway.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: GABE93]
      #298026 - 28/03/17 08:55 PM

Justcurious, difficult to say, I guess if it turns out to be good value for money then it will probably be a good seller. If it looks to be mainly machine made with little hand work, than $10000 is too much and it probably wont sell well.

I guess they stuck with the round top action for cost reasons, the square bridge even one adds dramatically to the cost of manufacture.

Having a drilled and tapped round top action also means that people can choose their own scope mounts of which there is a huge choice. If you have for example a DSB then the appropriate machining has to be performed more or less before bluing and then you are far more limited in your choices. Most German gunmakers like to use the Recknagel swing off rings which are nice but add a lot of height to the scope and are not that popular in other countries. Tally rings can be mounted nice and low but the Germans don't seem to like to use them (Heym being an exception).

Remember these rifles are supposed to be an off the shelf gun rather than a full custom.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298030 - 28/03/17 09:19 PM

Gabe, definetley not trying to change any barrel threads, just wondering if for cost reasons they have used the same process as on the M12, which has some other method of attaching the barrel making it non-removable. Possibly some sort of inductive brazing which can be performed on heat treated parts without softening anything. It just seems strange to me that the Rigby and the Mauser both have identical chamberings, whereas the standard length Mausers produced a few years ago could be had in any standard cartridge and from memory even some real oddballs. Those actions were sourced externally whereas on the new M98 the actions are made by Blaser and they are masters of using modern production methods to keep down costs.

I agree the stock looks good and I also agree that the checkering looks machine cut, although I was assured by someone who has been to the plant that it is hand cut. Apparently the stocks are rough machined by another company a few kilometers down the road and then brought to the Blaser plant for finish shaping, in-letting, finishing and checkering.

Not sure I agree with the caliber business, after all the Mauser M98 is supposed to be a different beast to the Rigby, obviously some are going to be the same however I would have assumed that the M98 would have additional choices.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298031 - 28/03/17 09:21 PM

Mauser owns the majority of the John Rigby company.

The choice of cartridges chambered for the Rigby Mauser is logical based on classic choices. Plus classically popular cartridge choices. .275 Rigb of course. 7x57 in the Mauser. .308 and .30-06 are popular in the USA still and everywhere through out the world. 8x57S was and maybe still is the most popular cartridge in Germany. 9.3x62 is the best driven game cartridge in a bolt action.

Probably same line up for economies of scale. Commercial businesses exist to make a profit.

My guess is we will over time see some additions. Perhaps some divergence in the line up. And maybe some cartridge deletions over time. So if you want one now, get one.

No doubt prospective customers not seeing what they want in the range, will mke their desires known.

.270 Winchester, and 6.5x55 are two that are popular but not there. And some of the classic magnums that fit the action.

I'm more than glad NOT to see any "Ultras", "Short Magnums" or other "trendy" must have instantly redundant modern choics. Old and a hundred years old or at least fifty years old for me.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298034 - 28/03/17 09:54 PM

Quote:

Gabe, definetley not trying to change any barrel threads, just wondering if for cost reasons they have used the same process as on the M12, which has some other method of attaching the barrel making it non-removable. Possibly some sort of inductive brazing which can be performed on heat treated parts without softening anything.



Obvious a Mauser 98 is a Mauser 98 ... and not a Mauser M12.

The resurgence of the Mauser 98 is what a great many rifle aficinadoes have been asking for decades.

The standard action was only relauched a few days before and already some are asking for more ...

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Edited by NitroX (28/03/17 10:01 PM)

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: NitroX]
      #298035 - 28/03/17 09:58 PM

Agree with the short and ultra short cartridges and many of the other weird modern "here today, gone tomorrow" rounds that come out today.

Agree with the economies of scale as well, however the R8 comes out in a huge number of different cartridges as does the Sauer 404. I am just a bit surprised, that's all.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298036 - 28/03/17 10:06 PM

Changed my post.

Blaser and Sauer switch barrels ... easy to add a different barrel.

Mauser M03 and presumably the M12 (?) have all sorts of cartridge chambering range choices as well.

My GUESS is the standard Mauser 98 action relaunch was driven by Rigby and Mauser itself is taking advantage of the actions it is making. Why not?


Isn't the "Mauser" group, not sure of the structure but

Mauser
Rigby
Sako
Tikka
Beretta
Blaser
and others?

all in the same group of companies?

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