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Gundog01
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Any famous/historical figures use Daniel Fraser rifles?
      #297406 - 20/03/17 01:43 PM

I was curious if anyone historical figure used Fraser magazine rifles or guns in general.

I know Bell used a 360 Nitro Express in the Yukon. But that is all I can think of off the top of my head.

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Re: Any famous/historical figures use Daniel Fraser rifles? [Re: Gundog01]
      #297408 - 20/03/17 03:18 PM

I think Bell's Fraser was a Steyr Mannlicher of some sort.

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Re: Any famous/historical figures use Daniel Fraser rifles? [Re: Huvius]
      #297409 - 20/03/17 03:47 PM

GunDog,

If I recall correctly, Bell worked for Fraser at one time and maintained a relationship with him afterward. I believe the rifle he used for his first job in Africa (supplying meat for the railway work gangs) was a single shot Fraser in .303. I seem to recall he also had a heavier Fraser double rifle with him on later safaris.

As to the Fraser-customized Steyr-Mannlicher that Huvius mentioned, here is an excerpt about it from Sam Fadala's 'Famous Riflemen' column in Rifle Magazine's 1986 September-October issue:


'Bell experimented with a .256, whittling
away on the rifle until it weighed
but five pounds. It was a custom to
begin with, as was his favorite .275.

Bell was a rifle-lover. Listen to his
own words describing a custom rifle
made by Fraser of Edinburgh, “A
genius in his own line,” according to the
hunter. “I shall never forget the unpacking
of that .256 in the wilds of the
African bush; the ripping open of that
tin-lined case that looked so incredibly
small. There, wrapped in grease-proof
paper, lay the oily little rascal. Out in
the hot sun it was but a moment’s work
to strip off the mercurial grease Fraser
used for protecting his steel work on
tropical voyages.”

One can all but see the little rifle in
Bell’s hands. His deft writing allows us
to relive that long ago moment with
him. “What a thrill to just handle it,”
said Bell. Then he went forth and bagged
12 good bull elephants with 12 shots.'


Obviously, Bell had a lot of respect for Fraser's work.

J


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Re: Any famous/historical figures use Daniel Fraser rifles? [Re: FlatTop45]
      #297440 - 21/03/17 05:44 AM

Quote:

GunDog,

If I recall correctly, Bell worked for Fraser at one time and maintained a relationship with him afterward. I believe the rifle he used for his first job in Africa (supplying meat for the railway work gangs) was a single shot Fraser in .303. I seem to recall he also had a heavier Fraser double rifle with him on later safaris.

As to the Fraser-customized Steyr-Mannlicher that Huvius mentioned, here is an excerpt about it from Sam Fadala's 'Famous Riflemen' column in Rifle Magazine's 1986 September-October issue:


'Bell experimented with a .256, whittling
away on the rifle until it weighed
but five pounds. It was a custom to
begin with, as was his favorite .275.

Bell was a rifle-lover. Listen to his
own words describing a custom rifle
made by Fraser of Edinburgh, “A
genius in his own line,” according to the
hunter. “I shall never forget the unpacking
of that .256 in the wilds of the
African bush; the ripping open of that
tin-lined case that looked so incredibly
small. There, wrapped in grease-proof
paper, lay the oily little rascal. Out in
the hot sun it was but a moment’s work
to strip off the mercurial grease Fraser
used for protecting his steel work on
tropical voyages.”

One can all but see the little rifle in
Bell’s hands. His deft writing allows us
to relive that long ago moment with
him. “What a thrill to just handle it,”
said Bell. Then he went forth and bagged
12 good bull elephants with 12 shots.'


Obviously, Bell had a lot of respect for Fraser's work.

J




He used the MS in Africa, but as a meat hunter for the mining camps in the yukon he used a Fraser mauser in .360 per his book. He only had a few hundred cartridges in that caliber.


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Re: Any famous/historical figures use Daniel Fraser rifles? [Re: Gundog01]
      #297481 - 21/03/17 04:23 PM

Denis Lyell used a .303 falling block by Fraser.
(The Rifle It's Development for Big Game Hunting. S.R. Truesdell)


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Re: Any famous/historical figures use Daniel Fraser rifles? [Re: Gundog01]
      #297482 - 21/03/17 04:30 PM

Quote:


He used the MS in Africa, but as a meat hunter for the mining camps in the yukon he used a Fraser mauser in .360 per his book. He only had a few hundred cartridges in that caliber.




Which book was this? I seem to remember something of it, but no recollection which book it was in?

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Re: Any famous/historical figures use Daniel Fraser rifles? [Re: NitroX]
      #297490 - 21/03/17 07:45 PM

This was in Bell of Africa.

He went to the Yukon with a single shot in .360 by Fraser, not a Mauser. It was a Farquharsen falling block. He took 160 cartridges.

He didn't work for Fraser, at least he doesn't say so, but he said they were good friends. The Mannlicher Shcoenauer from Fraser may or may not have been customised; he doesnt say anything about it that doesnt fit a factory MS carbine as far as I can tell, and the phrase 'whittling away at it till it was five pounds' is an interpretation of the magazine article writer, there is no reference to anything like that in Bell's books or articles. (The photo of the rifle that is suppossed to be the same one in American Rifleman certainly looks like a standard ms carbine, although it has a cocking piece aperture sight - this may be a later addition, Bell wrote he never used anything but open V sights in Africa, although he did use them in later life.)


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Re: Any famous/historical figures use Daniel Fraser rifles? [Re: CarlsenHighway]
      #297668 - 24/03/17 09:21 AM

I wonder what kind of .360 Bell used in Canada? .360 2 1/4 inch? or .400/360 2 3/4 inch? or .360 No. 2? or .360 No. 5? Fraser made .360 2 1/4 and .400/360 2 3/4 inch. So I would bet it was one of those two. But which one?

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