Gundog01
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I was curious if anyone historical figure used Fraser magazine rifles or guns in general.
I know Bell used a 360 Nitro Express in the Yukon. But that is all I can think of off the top of my head.
Thank you gentlemen.
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Huvius
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I think Bell's Fraser was a Steyr Mannlicher of some sort.
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GunDog,
If I recall correctly, Bell worked for Fraser at one time and maintained a relationship with him afterward. I believe the rifle he used for his first job in Africa (supplying meat for the railway work gangs) was a single shot Fraser in .303. I seem to recall he also had a heavier Fraser double rifle with him on later safaris.
As to the Fraser-customized Steyr-Mannlicher that Huvius mentioned, here is an excerpt about it from Sam Fadala's 'Famous Riflemen' column in Rifle Magazine's 1986 September-October issue:
'Bell experimented with a .256, whittling away on the rifle until it weighed but five pounds. It was a custom to begin with, as was his favorite .275.
Bell was a rifle-lover. Listen to his own words describing a custom rifle made by Fraser of Edinburgh, “A genius in his own line,” according to the hunter. “I shall never forget the unpacking of that .256 in the wilds of the African bush; the ripping open of that tin-lined case that looked so incredibly small. There, wrapped in grease-proof paper, lay the oily little rascal. Out in the hot sun it was but a moment’s work to strip off the mercurial grease Fraser used for protecting his steel work on tropical voyages.”
One can all but see the little rifle in Bell’s hands. His deft writing allows us to relive that long ago moment with him. “What a thrill to just handle it,” said Bell. Then he went forth and bagged 12 good bull elephants with 12 shots.'
Obviously, Bell had a lot of respect for Fraser's work.
J
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Gundog01
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GunDog,
If I recall correctly, Bell worked for Fraser at one time and maintained a relationship with him afterward. I believe the rifle he used for his first job in Africa (supplying meat for the railway work gangs) was a single shot Fraser in .303. I seem to recall he also had a heavier Fraser double rifle with him on later safaris.
As to the Fraser-customized Steyr-Mannlicher that Huvius mentioned, here is an excerpt about it from Sam Fadala's 'Famous Riflemen' column in Rifle Magazine's 1986 September-October issue:
'Bell experimented with a .256, whittling away on the rifle until it weighed but five pounds. It was a custom to begin with, as was his favorite .275.
Bell was a rifle-lover. Listen to his own words describing a custom rifle made by Fraser of Edinburgh, “A genius in his own line,” according to the hunter. “I shall never forget the unpacking of that .256 in the wilds of the African bush; the ripping open of that tin-lined case that looked so incredibly small. There, wrapped in grease-proof paper, lay the oily little rascal. Out in the hot sun it was but a moment’s work to strip off the mercurial grease Fraser used for protecting his steel work on tropical voyages.”
One can all but see the little rifle in Bell’s hands. His deft writing allows us to relive that long ago moment with him. “What a thrill to just handle it,” said Bell. Then he went forth and bagged 12 good bull elephants with 12 shots.'
Obviously, Bell had a lot of respect for Fraser's work.
J
He used the MS in Africa, but as a meat hunter for the mining camps in the yukon he used a Fraser mauser in .360 per his book. He only had a few hundred cartridges in that caliber.
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Denis Lyell used a .303 falling block by Fraser. (The Rifle It's Development for Big Game Hunting. S.R. Truesdell)
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He used the MS in Africa, but as a meat hunter for the mining camps in the yukon he used a Fraser mauser in .360 per his book. He only had a few hundred cartridges in that caliber.
Which book was this? I seem to remember something of it, but no recollection which book it was in?
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This was in Bell of Africa.
He went to the Yukon with a single shot in .360 by Fraser, not a Mauser. It was a Farquharsen falling block. He took 160 cartridges.
He didn't work for Fraser, at least he doesn't say so, but he said they were good friends. The Mannlicher Shcoenauer from Fraser may or may not have been customised; he doesnt say anything about it that doesnt fit a factory MS carbine as far as I can tell, and the phrase 'whittling away at it till it was five pounds' is an interpretation of the magazine article writer, there is no reference to anything like that in Bell's books or articles. (The photo of the rifle that is suppossed to be the same one in American Rifleman certainly looks like a standard ms carbine, although it has a cocking piece aperture sight - this may be a later addition, Bell wrote he never used anything but open V sights in Africa, although he did use them in later life.)
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I wonder what kind of .360 Bell used in Canada? .360 2 1/4 inch? or .400/360 2 3/4 inch? or .360 No. 2? or .360 No. 5? Fraser made .360 2 1/4 and .400/360 2 3/4 inch. So I would bet it was one of those two. But which one?
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