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Longknife
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Remington 1889 bore rifle?
#295974 - 28/02/17 05:53 AM

I have a couple of Remington 1889 SXS shotguns, one in 12 ga. and one in 10 ga. They seem to be very stout actions. These actions have 2 locking bites and a dolls head extension, would they be stout enough to mono sleeve (I think that's what they call it) rifled barrels into and make bore guns out of? Maybe to shoot round ball or short slugs? Both of mine are Damascus barreled but they were also made with fluid steel barrels....THANKS>>>Ed

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Re: Remington 1889 bore rifle? [Re: Longknife]
#296020 - 01/03/17 04:49 AM

if you stay with blackpowder there will never be a problem

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Re: Remington 1889 bore rifle? [Re: lancaster]
#296064 - 02/03/17 02:29 AM

I plan on using ONLY black powder. Smokeless is just a fad anyway!!!!!

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Re: Remington 1889 bore rifle? [Re: Longknife]
#296117 - 03/03/17 02:57 AM

Can anyone recommend a 'smith the sleeve these barrels???

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Re: Remington 1889 bore rifle? [Re: Longknife]
#296125 - 03/03/17 04:48 AM

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Can anyone recommend a 'smith the sleeve these barrels???

Aaron Little?
I'm guessing he also could confirm the suitability of a conversion using this gun.
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Re: Remington 1889 bore rifle [Re: Longknife]
#296153 - 03/03/17 01:11 PM

Hi Ed,

I have a 12-ga model 1889 Remington that went through a fire but didn't get hot enough to ruin the springs. The wood is charred and the barrels are unsoldered. It's a very well made gun and all of the screw slots are even clocked properly. I was impressed by that because I didn't expect to see that on an American shotgun. I think that mine is a grade 2. The fit and finish is excellent. I had always wondered about doing exactly what you are thinking of. Sounds like a good project to me as long as the action is strong enough and it probably is.

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Jim

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Re: Remington 1889 bore rifle [Re: Watson577]
#300076 - 05/05/17 05:17 AM

Looks like I may be proceeding on this build as I just purchased an 1889 with fluid steel barrels in 12 gauge that is in decent mechanical condition. The barrels are badly pitted so I believe they may be a good candidate for a mono sleeve conversion to 20 bore. I can order 20 bore (.620) barrels with any twist and rifling depth I desire. I can also get them in "certified" barrel steel. I plan on shooting a short slug or grease grooved bullet loaded in brass 20 gauge cases. Does anyone have any suggestions on the rate of twist and depth of rifling that would work in this case? Is there any way to calculate bullet weight by it dimensions? Thanks for any input,,,,Ed

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Re: Remington 1889 bore rifle [Re: Longknife]
#300077 - 05/05/17 05:29 AM

Hi Ed. By short bullet, I suspect you are talking about an ounce @ 437gr. or thereabouts?

I would go with something in the 36" range, maybe 40". It would still shoot round ball loads if you desired.

The .50 cal. Sharps usually had 36" twists and handled bullets quite long at black powder speeds, in fact, up to 550gr.

That is why I suggested 40". I suspect a 48" twist would also do well with either short slug and better than 40" twist with round ball.

I had some fair results using undersized round balls patched in .030" denim, loaded in 16 bore brass with 82gr. 2F loads - go figure.

I should note, the 12 bore rifled tube on my Mossy shoots round balls very well at 1,600fps and it is a 36" twist, so there seems to be a lot of leeway.

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Re: Remington 1889 bore rifle [Re: DarylS]
#300130 - 05/05/17 11:52 PM

Daryl, My .620 bore with .010 rifling will be .640 in the grooves so I am thinking I will want a .641 ball or slug. A .641 ball weighs .397 grains so what would a .641 X .641 slug weigh? I think this is shortest slug I would want but could go to a longer one....THANKS,,,Ed

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Re: Remington 1889 bore rifle [Re: Longknife]
#300136 - 06/05/17 03:26 AM

I would think a short slug like the short English slugs of about .641" would weigh at or just under 500gr. 1 1/4 ounce at 545gr. would probably be a maximum. The heavier the slug, the higher the pressure but I suspect even at 1 1/4 ounces the pressure would be under 22,000psi.
A .615" to .620" ball in thick denim would make a clean shooting load - middle row.

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Re: Remington 1889 bore rifle [Re: DarylS]
#300206 - 08/05/17 12:22 AM

Thanks Daryl, while I will experiment with round balls I really want this bore gun to shoot bullets (slugs). I have many M-L's that I can shoot round balls out of!! Heck, 1 1/4 ounce is just a heavy shot load,, A 545 grain slug sounds appealing, do you think I can get it up to 1400fps?

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Re: Remington 1889 bore rifle [Re: Longknife]
#300216 - 08/05/17 01:29 AM

Should be able to get 1,300fps to 1,350fps with BP and that heavy a slug. 545gr. is 1.2457 ounces.(437.5gr. per)

Might take the full case of powder - assuming 2 3/4" hull. A 3" hull would be easier, of course.

If nitro proofed, very easy, even in a 2 1/2" case, I'd think.

good luck

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