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Barbary Lions are not extinct
      #295121 - 12/02/17 03:02 AM

https://www.facebook.com/Oscar55ABonav/videos/1248009611883794/

Barbary Lions are not extinct and still exist in a zoo in Germany.

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The Lions of Algeria still exist. Saved by the Germans. They are only in captivity. It's the most beautiful lions in the world.



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Re: Barbary Lions are not extinct [Re: NitroX]
      #295126 - 12/02/17 06:08 AM

Nice - interesting.

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Re: Barbary Lions are not extinct [Re: DarylS]
      #295127 - 12/02/17 06:47 AM

its true, this is most impressive subspecies





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also the babary leopard looks impressive



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Re: Barbary Lions are not extinct [Re: lancaster]
      #295174 - 12/02/17 11:01 PM

Seeing that big boy in the video was magnificent.

Did they say in German (or subtitled French) how many Barbary lion are left?

What is the breeding stock?

How they avoid inbreeding?

Which must be a huge risk. I wonder if they use other lion breeds to stop the inbreeding or will in the future. But will undoubtably dilute the barbary characteristics. But may stop inbreeding defects.

Can someone say - even the females seemed to have tufts, is this characteristic of the female barbaries? Or maybe these were young males?



He looks damned sad.



Big leopard too.

I wonder why the genetics of the Barbary species led to larger animals? Or this this only an assumption? Certainly the manes on the lion would only be possible in more open, less thick thorn bush country. Northern Africa is not all desert, the Atlas Mountains are alpine. There are also is lush country, forests, temperate and rich farming country.

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Re: Barbary Lions are not extinct [Re: NitroX]
      #295175 - 12/02/17 11:05 PM

Reading the comments on the Algerian page, interesting to see how many clowns blame "colonials" and "colonialisation" on the extinction of all the species.

Standard modern PC third world misinformation. Perhaps partly true if there was no conservation efforts, I don't know.

One commenter claimed the German zoo got the Barbary lions from Rabat Zoo. Another informed poster corrected it and said the Rabat lions came from Germany, not the other way round ...

Wouldn't it be great to see this species back into some wild reserve again. Assuming the locals wouldn't poach them instantly. Lots of comments about the crazies in Algeria nowadays by other Algerians.

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Re: Barbary Lions are not extinct [Re: NitroX]
      #295222 - 14/02/17 07:04 AM

https://phys.org/news/2012-10-morocco-mission-atlas-lions.html

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10344-009-0280-5
http://kirshner.org/dr-dallas-barbary-lion-panthera-leo-leo/
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/barbary-lion-skull-from-the-tower-of-london.html

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Re: Barbary Lions are not extinct [Re: rigbymauser]
      #295223 - 14/02/17 07:08 AM


this artical(report) is by far the best and most interesting.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0060174

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Re: Barbary Lions are not extinct [Re: rigbymauser]
      #295233 - 14/02/17 09:39 AM

Anybody care to translate the reference to Walt Disney?

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Re: Barbary Lions are not extinct [Re: gryphon]
      #295404 - 16/02/17 10:03 PM

If as mankind we ever want to save these species we do need to think laterally. Very little chance of doing any meaningful species reintroduction to the wild etc in areas / countries with a high degree of Political uncertainty and lack of security. If we want to preserve animals such as Lions, Tigers or Rhinos we will have to think beyond Zoos to build up reserve populations.

So Barbary Lions, for example - parts of Southern Spain for example are sparsely populated, and offer similar habitat and prey species - wild boar.

Or Tigers - well Northern Australia already has a good population of water buffalo and Gaur. Tigers do occur in Indonesia, not far to the North, so again you could use these areas to set up reserve populations, ditto for Rhino.

It would take funds and political will to do so, but in the west, now that we have reasonable standards of living, security, and food security, should n't we thinking wider.

Appreciate that some may be disadvantaged - there is a lot of discussion / controversy over the reintroduction of Sea Eagles to Scotland cos they eat a few scruffy hill sheep, but we need to think on the bigger picture.

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