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"Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott
      #294719 - 03/02/17 11:59 PM

"Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best "
by Jacques Lott

"Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best - Part I" by Jacques Lott - click here
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"Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best - Part II" by Jacques Lott - click here
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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: NitroX]
      #295213 - 14/02/17 12:47 AM

Again thank you.

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: ovny]
      #303113 - 17/07/17 03:05 PM

Great post, thanks a lot!

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: Gustavo]
      #303748 - 06/08/17 02:52 PM

Very cool.

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #303759 - 06/08/17 07:39 PM

Great Articles!

Thanks for posting.

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: FlatTop45]
      #303765 - 06/08/17 10:59 PM

Printed this out and took it with me while camping with the family a couple weekends ago..read it by the campfire the first morning while having a nice hot cup of coffee..

Great read...very interesting perspective and info..

Thanks a ton for posting this..

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: Ripp]
      #304470 - 25/08/17 03:10 AM

I did a similar piece for Successful Hunter many years ago titled Double Rifles are Second Best where I compared my Mauser action 458 with double rifles in use here in Alaska.
The magazine editor received a nasty call from Holland & Holland and he told them that in his opinion doubles should be ranked third Behind lever actions !
It was a short call !

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: 458Win]
      #304538 - 26/08/17 08:42 PM

May I add pump actions too.
Then they are fourth best.
IMHO pump action is #1.

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: elvas]
      #304541 - 26/08/17 10:47 PM

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May I add pump actions too.
Then they are fourth best.
IMHO pump action is #1.



Now THAT is an interesting point of view indeed!!!!!!! If there was a big bore pump, say in a .416 Rigby, then we've REALLY got something serious in our hands, pardon the pun!!!!

A nicely broken in Remington 760 or 7600 operates liquid smooth, and can be accurized to an acceptable level. The sheet metal magazine is a piece of junk, but that shouldn't be too hard to remedy. Now, if one could enlarge the action to be able to handle the big rimless Rigby, then we've got some serious Buffalo medicine!!!!! Unfortunately, the redesign and the retooling costs make this nothing more than a distant pipe dream. Of course one could not count on Remington to build it right either.

A better option would be a Blaser R8. Suitably reconfigured as a pump action, it would work wonderfully!!!.... it would be ergonomically far superior to the current straight pull bolt format and I would buy one without hesitation!!!!!!! To build it with action bars and a slide mechanism for the forend isn't out of the realm of posssibility.......... I wonder if there would be enough demand and acceptance from the hunting community to compel Blaser to consider it?

I've often contemplated the R93 and then the R8 as a good candidate for a pump action, particularly so every time I pull the straight pull bolt open and have to move my head off the stock to prevent getting smacked in the face with the bolt. It may be faster than a regular bolt but not by much as it still threatens to smack you in the face when opening the action. The Blaser straight pull "faster" is mostly marketing bullshit until they can solve for the issue of having to break one's cheek weld to work the action - a pump would do this.

Edited by Postman (26/08/17 10:54 PM)

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: Postman]
      #304542 - 26/08/17 11:36 PM

Great articles, thanks so much for posting !!!!! I always love reading Jack Lott.
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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: 458Win]
      #304561 - 27/08/17 04:11 PM

Quote:

I did a similar piece for Successful Hunter many years ago titled Double Rifles are Second Best where I compared my Mauser action 458 with double rifles in use here in Alaska.
The magazine editor received a nasty call from Holland & Holland and he told them that in his opinion doubles should be ranked third Behind lever actions !
It was a short call !



An old African hand told me Doubles are a great DG gun but it does not take much to stop them working. It takes more to stop a bolt from working if the tolerances are kept similar to mil specs.

I would not want a double in arctic conditions. Not made to handle snow and continual wet.

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: Rule303]
      #304563 - 27/08/17 05:56 PM

Browning made the now discontinued BPR in some magnum calibers. With a simple rebarreling job...
Krieghoff makes the unusual Sempio with interchangeable barrels, bolt heads and magazines in various calibers, including the .375 Ruger.
Almost any semi auto sporting rifle could be factory made to work as a pump action, if there was enough interesting.

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: elvas]
      #306089 - 07/10/17 06:19 PM

I wonder why he didn't mention the 458 Lott?

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: 458Win]
      #329794 - 03/07/19 10:11 AM

Quote:

I did a similar piece for Successful Hunter many years ago titled Double Rifles are Second Best where I compared my Mauser action 458 with double rifles in use here in Alaska.
The magazine editor received a nasty call from Holland & Holland and he told them that in his opinion doubles should be ranked third Behind lever actions !
It was a short call !



Harald Wolf made a leverbolt rifle on the Charles Newton design. Pity it never went into regular production.

I wish there were more magazine editors like that


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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: Yochanan]
      #329844 - 06/07/19 07:09 AM

if you have the time nitro,,,,how about finding and posting ,THE FIRST MAGNUM MAUSER by jack lott i know i have it in my house somewhere it covers the 400/350 rigby owned by jack and 1 of the 2 rigbys used to make king solomon mines with stewart granger,,I've read it 400times pre computer age !!! ....paul

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: pjaln]
      #329852 - 06/07/19 07:22 PM

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if you have the time nitro,,,,how about finding and posting ,THE FIRST MAGNUM MAUSER by jack lott i know i have it in my house somewhere it covers the 400/350 rigby owned by jack and 1 of the 2 rigbys used to make king solomon mines with stewart granger,,I've read it 400times pre computer age !!! ....paul



If you have it, isn't that where we start? Scan and send to me?

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: NitroX]
      #371734 - 23/11/22 04:21 AM

John
Can you be so kind and post some more articles.

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: Yochanan]
      #371749 - 23/11/22 11:52 PM

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John
Can you be so kind and post some more articles.



Are there articles I already have sent by you? They may need resending. My laptop gave up a while ago. I probably have them on external HDD but harder to retrieve.

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: NitroX]
      #371750 - 24/11/22 12:54 AM

Opinions may vary.



Indeed this is a big bore with a magazine!

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: crshelton]
      #374585 - 28/02/23 01:37 AM

Hello all,

Here is my post from about 6 years ago .... my Jacques Lott Big Bore Magazine Rifle .... its one of my favorites

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=bigbores&Number=287990

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: NitroX]
      #374586 - 28/02/23 01:49 AM

Quote:

Quote:

John
Can you be so kind and post some more articles.



Are there articles I already have sent by you? They may need resending. My laptop gave up a while ago. I probably have them on external HDD but harder to retrieve.



Johann, please answer. Articles saved on my defunct laptop are a bit hard to retrieve at present. Or on the external HDDs. Not impossible, just a little difficult.

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: NitroX]
      #374630 - 01/03/23 06:29 AM

1939 Stoeger:





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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #375190 - 17/03/23 02:52 AM

Hi might not have needed to invent the 458 Lott, if he'd had a double in 500 NE ...

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: chuck375]
      #375195 - 17/03/23 03:31 AM

Jack said he "invented" the .450 Lott because if you fired .458 Win Mag in a .450 Watt's (which was already known), the end of the chamber would shave jacket material off the side of the bullet as it entered the chamber.
Lott wrote it up that way.
The Lott chamber, in which the body was about identical to the .450 Watt's, except there was no "mean little" shoulder at the end of the ctg. cut tout, just a smooth ramp up into the throat.
Now, if that is done on commercial rifles chambered for the Lott, I don't know, but that is how the original .450 Lott's reamer was ground.
I shot a factory chambered .450 Watts, pre-64 Model 70 Winchester back in about the spring of 1973. That was at Les Hatfield's back yard, just off Highway 16 West, on Walcott road, B.C. Quite a ctg.

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: DarylS]
      #375218 - 17/03/23 01:31 PM

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Jack said he "invented" the .450 Lott because if you fired .458 Win Mag in a .450 Watt's (which was already known), the end of the chamber would shave jacket material off the side of the bullet as it entered the chamber.
Lott wrote it up that way.
The Lott chamber, in which the body was about identical to the .450 Watt's, except there was no "mean little" shoulder at the end of the ctg. cut tout, just a smooth ramp up into the throat.
Now, if that is done on commercial rifles chambered for the Lott, I don't know, but that is how the original .450 Lott's reamer was ground.
I shot a factory chambered .450 Watts, pre-64 Model 70 Winchester back in about the spring of 1973. That was at Les Hatfield's back yard, just off Highway 16 West, on Walcott road, B.C. Quite a ctg.



I bet you couldn't get away with that now

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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: mickey]
      #376066 - 17/04/23 08:08 AM

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I wonder why he didn't mention the 458 Lott?



But he did mention the 500 Jeffery



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Re: "Why Magazine Big-Bore Rifles are Best" by Jacques Lott [Re: Rule303]
      #376068 - 17/04/23 08:29 AM

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I bet you couldn't get away with that now



Just off, but just over 1/4 mile off.
Oh yeah, it'd be OK - being over 1/4 mile from Hwy 16's centre line. Might only need to be 400yards. I can't remember.
That was quite a rifle.

Les Hatfield had the big idea to raise sheep. Les Hawkes told him, "you can't raise sheep here you (*&^$%#@ - too many coyotes" - that was in the fall of about 1975.

Come late spring '76, the coyotes taught their pups to kill sheep - all of them (30 or so) in one night, they ate none of them, just killing.

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