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Homer
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Something a little smaller...for a change
      #292287 - 19/12/16 12:30 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Please find attached, the link to a post I placed on the Nosler forum, re; The new Howa M1500 Mini in 7.62x39. https://forum.nosler.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=34504

Merry Christmas
Homer

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Re: Something a little smaller...for a change [Re: Homer]
      #292313 - 20/12/16 01:48 AM

How did it shoot. You cant leave us hanging here.

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Re: Something a little smaller...for a change [Re: Wayne59]
      #292333 - 20/12/16 10:35 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Wayne59, sorry for keeping you in suspense!
Unfortunately, given the Howa Mini action is so new, scope bases for them are not common.... as yet.
I have a Bushnell 10x40 fixed power scope (with Mil-Dot reticle, for Sub-Sonic use), for it and rings to suit but......

Doh!
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Re: Something a little smaller...for a change [Re: Homer]
      #293365 - 07/01/17 07:01 PM

G'Day Fella's,

I finally got a scope on this rifle, and shot some groups.
Here's the same link, but with the new group shootin images posted.
https://forum.nosler.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=34504

Homer is a Happy Lad!

Avagreatweekendeh!
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Re: Something a little smaller...for a change [Re: Homer]
      #293388 - 08/01/17 01:44 AM

I still have twp crates of 7.62x39 that need shooting ... after seeing your post I renewed my WANTED posted for an AIA Carbine again. The AIA rifles can take SKK magazinces and are also the right bore size. If I source one at an affordable price, the next step with the SA Stasi approvals ... (post like this don't help my cause. )

Good to read about your results with your rifle as oneday I might have to consider a different rifle.

A member nicely tipped me off on an AIA being sold, but the price was too much for a rifle not worth that much. Might have to revise my price range sought.

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Re: Something a little smaller...for a change [Re: NitroX]
      #293419 - 08/01/17 07:20 AM

I tried that route about 20 years ago with a Century arms converted Mauser. Its ashamed it would not cycle rounds through the 96 action. It was a nice rifle.

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Re: Something a little smaller...for a change [Re: Wayne59]
      #293473 - 08/01/17 04:27 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Nitro X, the AIA rifles are nice but a bit heavy and way over over priced.
Iirc, the only benefit was the AIA rifles in 7.62x39 (and other chamberings?), is they have a Hard Chrome lined barrel. This is a serious benefit when shootin ex-Military ammo, with both corrosive primers and "copper washed" steel jacketed bullets.

I'm very happy with the little Howa.

Also and FYI, rumor has it that CZ will be releasing the CZ 527, in both the 7.62x39 and 6.5 Grendel. Apparently, these model 527 rifles, will have a conventional floor plate type bottom metal (as opposed to the present detachable box Mag)?

Doh!
Homer

Edited by Homer. FYI, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-EdQuAxAII

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Edited by Homer (09/01/17 07:19 AM)


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Re: Something a little smaller...for a change [Re: Homer]
      #294186 - 23/01/17 11:15 AM

G'Day Fella's,

I was away bush over the weekend, and chrono'ed a few loads in my Howa Mini, 7.62x39 rifle.

All the below handloads were charged by 27.0 grns of ADI AR-2207, CCI BR2 primers in Lapua cases.

Hornady Z-Max 123grn bullets (0.310"), averaged 2462fps.
Taipan 124grn HP bullets (0.3095"), averaged 2474fps.
Speer 130grn HP Moly coated bullets (0.308"), averaged 2431fps.
And
Wolf factory 122grn HP bullets, averaged 2401fps.

This was from the Howa Mini's 22" barrel, at a temperature of 27*C and 10 feet from the muzzle to the Oehler 35P's first screen.

I'm hopeful of being able to safely achieve 2500fps average, with at least one of these loads but I want to be able to maintain the great accuracy I have so far.

Doh!
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Re: Something a little smaller...for a change [Re: Homer]
      #294221 - 24/01/17 07:19 AM

Homer - you have a little zinger there don't you!
I think you're certainly getting up there mate, but don't push it too hard!
If the accuracy is there then all is sweet - a nice little pill in exactly the right spot is exactly what doctor ordered!


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Re: Something a little smaller...for a change [Re: 93x64mm]
      #294228 - 24/01/17 08:21 AM

9.3x64, thank you for your kind comments.

Yes mate, slow and steady as she goes and safety is my first priority.
But, if I can achieve 2500fps safely, I'll be even happier.

Doh!
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Re: Something a little smaller...for a change [Re: Homer]
      #294290 - 26/01/17 06:44 PM

Did you consider the CZ? Why did you choose the Howa instead?

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Re: Something a little smaller...for a change [Re: NitroX]
      #294325 - 27/01/17 10:09 AM

Yes Nitro-X, as great as the CZ's are these days, I did.
But at almost double the price for the CZ 527 (thanks Winchester Aust), I figured the Howa was hard to beat.

Further to this and FYI, I have heard that CZ "may be" releasing a 527 model, with a conventional floor plate? I'm not sure is true and if so, which calibres it will be available in but that would be nice!!!

For an update on the progress of this Howa in 7.62x39, have another look at the original link, at the top of this page.

Avagreatweekendeh!
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Re: Something a little smaller...for a change [Re: Homer]
      #294850 - 06/02/17 02:46 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Here is a bit of an update on the same/existing Nosler forum thread for this rifle (and some chrono details, of my .45 Colt revolvers).

FYI, I achieved 2500+ fps with most of these loads but they are definitely Maximum Safe Working Loads (MSWL), in this rifle. The exception, was the Speer 0.308" 130grn HP bullets, which went 2420fps.

The attempted Sub-Sonic loads 9.0 grn of Trail Boss powder and 124 and 130grn bullets, were still approximately 250 to 300 fps to fast. I'll try 7.5 and 8.0 grns next, and go from there........

https://forum.nosler.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=34504

Doh!
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Re: Something a little smaller...for a change [Re: Homer]
      #294859 - 07/02/17 01:14 AM

Intyeresting Homer. Good writeup. I am surprised the Hornady didn't shoot better.
The 130gr. HP Speers shot well in .308's and my .30BR, accurately enough to be used for close range match (3-po) shooting.
I've not seriously tried the 125 TNT's - yet.

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Re: Something a little smaller...for a change [Re: DarylS]
      #294868 - 07/02/17 06:56 AM

Glad you had mostly a win mate - of sorts!
When you do go sub sonic it will be a muted bang, I can do that with my M92 in .32-20. 115gn cast pills & 2.5 gn of Trailboss - only gets 800fps. I thought I did a dud (primer only load) & that the bullet was still in the bore, only when I looked at the chronograpgh did I realise that it had exited the bore. Frightened the hell out of me there for a while!
As you go down in load watch the chronograph like a hawk, (don't get one stuck for God's sake) mine are pretty consistent; just on/over 800fps & as QL suggests about 53% capacity (usual warning applies to all loads stated anywhere)works in my little rifle OK & not too bad accuracy considering my eyes aren't the best anymore.
Good fun mate!
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Re: Something a little smaller...for a change [Re: 93x64mm]
      #294917 - 08/02/17 09:13 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Yes Daryl, I'd like to test the Speer 125 grn TNT's as well.

Also 9.3x64, for that advice.
I have already had a stuck bullet but luckily, it wasn't to difficult to remove.

Further to this same subject, I explained to a mate and suppressor customer of mine, what I was hoping to achieve, (getting .30 Cal Varmint bullets, to expand at Sub-Sonic velocities?).
He recently sent me the following.

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“The theory behind this is, these bullets are renowned .30 calibre Varmint bullets (at Super-Sonic velocities)."
"I’m hoping that at Sub-Sonic velocities, they will still expand but more like a conventional hunting bullet would, at 2800 ish fps?”

In rereading some literature I’d printed off the following observation was made:

Dr. Martin Fackler, founder of International Wound Ballistics Association, devoted a considerable amount of research, study and experimentation to the subject of subsonic bullets. Based on his own and other research going back 200 years, Dr. Fackler (in a nutshell) concluded that hollow points and expanding bullets are a waste of effort. One can do no better than to use a simple, hard-cast lead bullet with a totally fiat nose, and with sharp edges at the transition between the flat face and the cylinder walls. Such a bullet does not move through the air with the extreme ease of a VLD (very low drag) bullet, but its terminal effect is considerable.

and

“In terms of effectiveness on live targets, it is very hard to beat a blunt-nosed or flat-tipped bullet. Put another way, a subsonic bullet that is a true cylinder will deliver more shock, hemorrhage and trauma than any other shape. Sharply pointed and round-nosed projectiles will slip right through, while causing minimal damage. It has been said that some .30 caliber projectiles are designed to expand at 300 m/s or 1,000 fps, but this remains to be proven to my satisfaction.

Sharply pointed bullets will penetrate deeply at subsonic velocities - pushing nerve tissue and blood vessels aside, rather than cutting them. Unless the bullet hits the base of the brain or a major nerve center, the animal will run away, usually to die a slow and agonizing death. Most pointed and round-nosed .30 caliber rifle bullets are totally lacking in knockdown power at subsonic velocities. We hear the same stories of subsonic .30 caliber bullet inadequacies over and over again, and are frankly quite tired of them. Subsonic .30 caliber bullets will not expand in large animals. The only effective .30 caliber subsonic bullet will have a totally flat front end.”
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Back to the Lead Pot for me, by the look of things.

Doh!
Homer

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