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Kamikaze
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Re: Shooting the .600 Nitro Express Pistol AGAIN! [Re: KennethI]
      #57657 - 23/05/06 03:15 PM

Not yet, will be shooting it again this summer.
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Back Again, .600 Nitro Express Pistol [Re: NitroX]
      #61797 - 28/08/06 04:32 AM

Hello Everyone,

Just a little FYI and clarification.

I had been e-mailed by numerous people all over the world (literally) concerning the video clips and the numerous forums and websites the clips somehow ended up on. I browsed the various forums, reading the comments and found they were both amusing and somewhat baffling.

Each forum seemed to have a different twist on the background and chain of events for the videos: such as, who the owner of the pistol was, stating the 2nd shooter was me (the gun owner), that we were both injured, the pistol was damaged, it was a .50 BMG pistol, no it was a .700 Nitro pistol, no it was a .500 S&W, it was a "Display Only" pistol (not meant to be fired) or "For Show Only" pistol (again built by a gun maker not meant to be shot), various bullet weights, various muzzle velocities and energies, etc., etc., etc.

Some even tried to compare my pistol which was built on a T-C Encore frame (weighing in at 7-1/2#) to the Zeliska .600 Nitro revolver which weighed considerably more (can't remember if it was 12# or 14# - I chatted with the manufacturer in Austria about the specs). Thus, the recoil would be considerably different. Also, the Zeliska sells for $18,000 USD plus shipping, plus import taxes, mine considerably more affordable.

After reading the various Forums, I stopped counting at something close to 17,000 hits on the video and comments about the video.
50% of the Forum participants understood and knew the thoughts behind making such a pistol. Some admired, some envied, some awe-struck.
30% understood but admonished me for having it made (since they considered it useless). The remaining 20% missed the point altogether, where they rattled on about something insignificant and irrelevant. Often they would make a comment inferring their knowledge of (or lack thereof) my pistol or what REALLY happened at the range.

1. It was a .600 Nitro Express caliber (just like on a Safari)
2. Custom Beartooth lead bullet - .622 inch, 1040 grains, flat nose
3. The powder was 4198 at 117gr (158 grains for 900 gr FMJ bullet)
4. Stainless steel Thompson-Center Encore frame .
5. Custom made and fitted Van Horne 1-inch (14"L) stainless steel barrel. 17-1/8" total barrel length with brake.
6. Custom Van Horne (3-3/8"L x 1-3/8" diam) muzzle brake made especially for this pistol (and it's removeable).
7. Approx. 2-1/2# trigger pull (very light).
8. Four (4) SSK scope rings on a SSK T'SOB scope mount (4 mounting screws).
9. Weaver Classic stainless recoil-proof 2x28mm scope.
10. T-C Rynite grip.
11. 7-1/2# total weight
12. No one was injured. Shooter #2's shooting glass were broken in 3 pieces.
13. Shooter #1 was me, the owner (the one who went stage left).
14. Shooter #2 (the portly fellow) was the curious Range Master who didn't heed my instruction on how to grip the pistol. Note my stance (and grip) versus his.
15. I had the gun made for the following reasons:
a. I LOVE big bore handguns and rifles. The power, uniqueness, etc.
b. Anybody can shoot a .22, or .38, or .45, etc., but not many can (or willing to) shoot a .50+ handcannon.
c. I am a Police Firearms instructor, Range Master, and ex-competitive shooter, and love a challenge.
d. It's never been about hunting, accuracy, user-friendliness, etc. I don't hunt. I rarely target shoot anymore. I don't care if someone calls me an idiot, insane, or slams me on a Forum. They are entitled to their opinion, as I am entitled to mine. People enjoy their .22's, or wearing camo underwear to bed, or owning horses, or driving their shiny new 2-story high 4-wheel drive pickup truck into a muddy bog completely covering their truck (inside and out) with mud, . . . just as much as I enjoy my .600 Nitro, my Indian motorcycle (not a Harley), etc.
e. I've always collected unique or one-of a kind "things". Whether it's procelain, guns, coins, motorcycles, bronze figurines, etc. As long as it's unique and I like it, I buy it or in the case of the always nagging engineering or scientific question: "Why not?" or "Why can't it be done?" or "It's not quite what I want, why can't I have it this way?"

f. BRAGGING RIGHTS! (mine's bigger than yours, ETC, ETC, ETC). Just kidding! - one of the readers posted that comment.

When I had the gun made, it was never my intention to post the videos and photos, or even to gain any notoriety. The video clips were posted because one of the readers requested I do so. So, I did.

I hope this clears things up for some of you. If so, pass this info onto the other Forums. Maybe, I'll read some new comments.
Thanks for reading this rambling dribble,

Kamikaze

Edited by Kamikaze (28/08/06 04:36 AM)


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Re: Back Again, .600 Nitro Express Pistol [Re: Kamikaze]
      #61860 - 29/08/06 12:20 PM

kamakazee,

I think the 600 handgun is great. Other people must think so too since there have been 17000 hits on it. I had alot of backlash when I had a 460 weatherby 12" bl encore made. I shot full house loads through it and got 500 grain bullets out to 2088 ft./sec. for 4835 ft. lbs. My gun weighs 4lbs. 8oz. and recoil was absolutely horrendous. I have to admit I did hurt myself and the gun came apart on the first shot. I had it repaired and shot it twice more and it stayed together. I did not get physically hurt on the last two shots, but I have no intentions of shooting it again. Recoil was still extremely harsh, and I shoot alot of big handguns.I guess its crazy, but it still interests me (and others I'm sure). When and if you shoot the 600 again, I would like to see more videos.

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Re: Back Again, .600 Nitro Express Pistol [Re: bigdog]
      #66298 - 03/12/06 06:30 PM

I plan to shoot the .600 Nitro pistol again this coming summer (2007). Time constraints had prevented me from shooting this year.

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Re: Back Again, .600 Nitro Express Pistol [Re: Kamikaze]
      #66317 - 04/12/06 07:07 AM

Kamikaze:

Dude! Glad to see you back! And please, please ,please, more videos of the next shoot!

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Re: Back Again, .600 Nitro Express Pistol [Re: bigdog]
      #70833 - 05/02/07 06:23 PM

Big Dog,
I just read the post on you shooting the .700 Nitro. I'm truly jealous! Then, I see that you are somewhere in southern Illinois. Where? Maybe we can get together one day and shoot? I would love to try your .700. Want to try my .600 pistol?

Kamikaze


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Re: Back Again, .600 Nitro Express Pistol [Re: Kamikaze]
      #70885 - 06/02/07 11:14 AM

I live between Carbondale and Marion. About 2 hours southeast of St. Louis. Absolutely, it can't be as bad as that 460 weatherby pistol. Lets let it get a little warmer and we can try to plan something.

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Re: Back Again, .600 Nitro Express Pistol [Re: bigdog]
      #74622 - 26/03/07 10:38 AM

Well, I worked out a deal with Kamakazii to get the 600 nitro pistol and the 50-140 sharps from him. They will make a nice addition to go with my two encores in 460 weatherby, and 30-378 weatherby. We are going to shoot them , along with my 700 nitro in May sometime.

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Re: Back Again, .600 Nitro Express Pistol [Re: bigdog]
      #74623 - 26/03/07 10:40 AM

You better have a wrist like a mule to shoot that .600 NE pistol.

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Re: Back Again, .600 Nitro Express Pistol [Re: 500grains]
      #74624 - 26/03/07 10:59 AM

500 grains,
It can't be worse than my 12" 460 weatherby. The 600 has another 800 ft.lbs of energy, but it weighs 7 1/2 lbs instead of 4 lbs. When my 460 stayed together on the last 2 shots, it was possible to do but it was ferocious recoil, but doable. This is just a gun to have and shoot a little. Not a practical hunting gun at all.

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Re: Back Again, .600 Nitro Express Pistol [Re: bigdog]
      #78328 - 10/05/07 03:28 AM

Videos added on NitroExpress (as on first post)



Videos of shooting the .600 Nitro Express pistol

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Re: Back Again, .600 Nitro Express Pistol [Re: Ezine]
      #78352 - 10/05/07 10:00 AM

Thanks. Just what I needed after a hard day dealing with my clients. I love this site, it's never dull. Dave

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Re: Back Again, .600 Nitro Express Pistol [Re: dnovo]
      #79038 - 20/05/07 02:43 PM

Well, Kamacazzii shot my 700 nitro today, and I shot his 600 nitro pistol with both loads. Read new post for details and hopefully the videos we took will be posted in a couple of days Post titled "kamakazii and bigdog shoot some big stuff" under big bores. thanks ken

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Re: I Finally Shot the .600 Nitro Express Pistol ! [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #80937 - 19/06/07 01:15 PM

thats wild! i love handcannons and that is the most impressive one i have seen yet. high speed broadband download was a couple of minutes

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Re: I Finally Shot the .600 Nitro Express Pistol ! [Re: Kamikaze]
      #103355 - 24/04/08 06:20 AM

Clearly this cartridge was not meant for a pistol of any sort, I have seen guys shoot and the gun just goes flying over there head. 100% worthless proposition.

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Re: I Finally Shot the .600 Nitro Express Pistol ! [Re: ]
      #103372 - 24/04/08 07:48 AM

The only reason the gun goes flying over the range instructors head is because he is stupid. The original owner told him how to hold and shoot the gun, but the guy thought he knew better. He has one hand on the forearm which is absolutely useless. The gun can be handled and shot properly with a tight two handed hold on the grip.I have shot it several times and while the gun has tremendous recoil, it is quite doable. But look at it this way. The big instructor that has the gun fly by his head is famous. The video has been viewed over a million times on you tube. When I taped shooting the same gun a couple of times it got about 60 views. It was nothing special because I fired and held on to the gun.The video was not nearly impressive. I still think it is fun to shoot, even though it is on the impractical side of things.

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Re: I Finally Shot the .600 Nitro Express Pistol ! [Re: bigdog]
      #103403 - 24/04/08 01:46 PM

I think it was the movie forest gump- "stupid is as stupid does".

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Re: I Finally Shot the .600 Nitro Express Pistol ! [Re: starwars]
      #103474 - 25/04/08 07:31 AM

Ha! Thats a good one, and I could not agree with you more. I would never try to shoot any really big bore hand gun with out a tight 2 handed grip, at least till I know how she kicks.

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Re: I Finally Shot the .600 Nitro Express Pistol ! [Re: bigdog]
      #156659 - 16/03/10 01:54 PM

BTTT for those whom have never read this thread or seen the videos.

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Re: I Finally Shot the .600 Nitro Express Pistol ! [Re: NitroX]
      #156904 - 19/03/10 11:11 AM

So you folks haven't seen the revolver version?

http://www.vincelewis.net/60magnum.html

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Re: I Finally Shot the .600 Nitro Express Pistol ! [Re: chuck375]
      #156957 - 20/03/10 04:54 AM

Impressive.

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Re: I Finally Shot the .600 Nitro Express Pistol ! [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #283173 - 01/06/16 04:56 AM

BTTT just because ...

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Re: I Finally Shot the .600 Nitro Express Pistol ! [Re: chuck375]
      #291204 - 01/12/16 10:37 AM

Quote:

So you folks haven't seen the revolver version?

http://www.vincelewis.net/60magnum.html

Chuck



There are videos on youtube of that one being fired too-or at least, there were. Other than the sheer size it looks pretty tame-but with the weight of the thing you won't be firing it unsupported.

As for me shooting monsters like that I think I'm at my limit of handgun with my .45-70. It kills deer well but I'm done shooting after 5-10 rounds. It's the last gun that gets uncased on the range.

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Re: I Finally Shot the .600 Nitro Express Pistol ! [Re: Shackleton]
      #291208 - 01/12/16 10:56 AM

None of those links worked for me, but it doesn't matter. I recall watching both the owner Kamikaze and the heavy dude both shot the handgun - original videos, I guess.

I also cringed at the way that fellow held the gun and almost wore it in the face as it as it flew back over his right shoulder - then clacked on the concrete floor - sounded like it.

Knew it was a .600 Nitro & seem to remember the lead bullet was supposed to be doing about 1,600fps (IIRC)

Hell of a load for a handgun - no thanks.

I have shot a .500 S&W with factory ammo. The gun had a vented barrel - think 5 or 5 1/2" long bl. It had less recoil than my 4" with the short, fat round butt grips - 300gr. Truncated Cone commercial lead and 22gr. W296.

The .44 stung like a wasp sting in the palm every shot - made me say OUCH!

That big .500 was "almost" pleasant, in comparison - almost. It was still hard on the arthritis in the wrist, but - like said, not as bad as the much lighter .44.

Weight and ergonomics makes SUCH a big difference.

NO way would I fire either of those guns, BigDogs or Kamikaze's. Good on them, though!

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Re: I Finally Shot the .600 Nitro Express Pistol ! [Re: DarylS]
      #291372 - 04/12/16 10:13 AM

One thing I've always wondered-why a removable brake instead of permanent? The brake brings it to over 16" length-if permanently installed it would be legal to shoot with a stock-whether or not you ever did. IMO, if it's that long anyway why not add one more legal use?

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