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Shooting Baboons?
      #28973 - 06/04/05 02:20 AM

Hopefully I haven't raised this before.

Do you guys shoot baboons when on safari?

Do you think it is advisable and do you think it helps or hinders a safaris overall objective?

Objective as in hunting the main species you are targeting.

But perhaps baboon is a choice target for some as they certainly can be a nuisance.

Tell us what you think. Thanks.



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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: NitroX]
      #28975 - 06/04/05 04:17 AM

On my 1st safari they became a real nusiance around camp so the PH and I shot a few and it seemed to take care of the problem.

On my 2nd trip I had taken everything I wanted except a hyaena (tried baiting without sucess) by day 8 of a 16-day hunt so we spent some time shooting baboons and sneaking up on some big elephants ... which I couldn't afford.

If I were still looking for a specific trophy I wouldn't do any extraneous shooting...why take the chance of scaring a big kudu for a baboon?

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: NitroX]
      #28976 - 06/04/05 05:07 AM



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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: larcher]
      #28981 - 06/04/05 07:30 AM

Shooting baboons brings me great joy. But I would not screw up the hunt for my primary game just to shoot a baboon. That being said, I would much rather shoot a baboon than an impala.

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: 500grains]
      #28983 - 06/04/05 08:20 AM

The trackers seem to really have fun when someone shoots a baboon...they immediately start to make comments about how it "resembles" someone...usually someone's girl-friend.

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: DBBill]
      #29003 - 06/04/05 06:29 PM

I can't bring myself to shoot baboons - too human - it's the "hands" that get me. When I studied anatomy all the students found dissected hands much more disturbing than faces.

But I don't have a problem with others doing it as long as I'm not around.

I wonder how much the sound of gunshots really bothers game. Some of my neighbours shoot the shit out of our kangaroos, very badly (I regularly find roos they've wounded have taken shelter under the house and died. Yet I have roos grazing undisturbed 150yds away when I'm shooting my 300 Win Mag and 470. I even fired over their heads at my 250yd target without them moving.

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: NitroX]
      #29011 - 06/04/05 08:41 PM

I never did it before, and may be I won't do it never. I also think they're too humans.
Last year, a hunting partner shooted one and the baboon reacted as a wounded man, taking his hands to his chest and shouting .

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: NitroX]
      #29023 - 07/04/05 01:07 AM

On my previous trips I had the opportunity to shoot a baboon, especially on the first where large numbers of baboon raided croplands and sat on the cliffs looking down at us.

I didn't because they wanted a "trophy" fee and also I don't think the trophy can be brought back home here.

But as many have said I too found them too human like. I may change my mind one day.

When in South Africa I was told baboons are shot on sight and certainly they ran as soon as a vehicle was heard or sighted by them. They were regarded as noxious pests.

Later in Zimbabwe I enquired why the baboons were so tame. They didn't flee at a vehicle. They did move off but not in panic. He told me he did not allow them to be shot, or at least in numbers regularly. He said a lot of other game watch baboons, which are one of the most inteligent and alert beasts. If a baboon panics all the other game becomes instantly alert. He wanted the baboons to remain calm and unworried. Certainly the other game was much much less skittish. This of course could be from a variety of factors in addition to this one.

What are your thoughts on this? Any comments on its correctness or not?



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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: NitroX]
      #29028 - 07/04/05 02:40 AM

It does make some sense but in South Africa where most of the hunting is done on game farms baboons are not really such a nuisance but maybe the farmer next door is planting milies but the baboons are smart enough to know that they won't be shot on sight when in the game farm like on the milie farm.

Last year Limpopo has cahnged some lwas and you need a baboon permit to shoot one these days especially if you wnat to export the trophy or part of it. Maybe hunters will think twice now before they shoot at baboons especailly as the permit is not for free which means they will have a trophy fee to their head.

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: SafariHunt]
      #29047 - 07/04/05 10:33 AM

As an aside, for an Australian, shooting any animal in its natural habitat is a bit strange. Almost everything we shoot is introduced and considered a pest to be eradicated. Even red, rusa and fallow deer are pests in some areas (but this doesn't seem to make it easier for me to get access to properties with deer).

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: AussieMike]
      #29050 - 07/04/05 10:51 AM

You are forgetting kangaroos...?

More roos are shot each year in some Australian states than all other game or pest animals combined.

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: larcher]
      #29059 - 07/04/05 02:12 PM

Larcher

Wow, those are impressive canines.

NitroX, I have not yet gone to Africa but I would shoot baboon. When I first started hunting, I was told that a bear looked like a human when it was skinned out. To me they look more like a pitbull.

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: Marrakai]
      #29061 - 07/04/05 02:24 PM

As they can only be shot legally on pest destruction permits, very few shooters shoot them legally. A few shooters shoot a lot of roos.

I haven't shot a roo for twenty years, but I was starting to hunt them, for practice, before my accident. I used a tennis ball in one of those throwers they sell at pet stores.

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: AussieMike]
      #29114 - 08/04/05 01:42 PM

Now this is a good thread! I like hunting Baboons, I've told my PH, "Anytime you see baboons, stop the Cruiser, it's time to hunt!"

I've taken 13 (So far) I'm going to mount them all lifesize, by the time I'm done I'll have a troop in my living room!

Here's a few photo's of my best ones,



here's a extra large one I got- - -


And then if shooting them isn't for you, make friends with the critters!!!!

Baboons are animals, they're not human, and they don't act like humans! And they make a nice addition to your trophy room!!!! I'm going back to Zimbabwe and I plan on shooting a few more!!!

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Edited by Widowmaker416 (08/04/05 01:51 PM)

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: Widowmaker416]
      #29122 - 08/04/05 05:27 PM

Baboons may not act like humans but, sadly, humans often act like baboons.

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: Widowmaker416]
      #29132 - 08/04/05 08:27 PM

In reply to:

by the time I'm done I'll have a troop in my living room!




As long as you don't talk to them and even more so they talk back to you.

I haven't been very interested in baboons but I think it was Ann who posted a photo of a baboon skull and it made a very nice exhibit.



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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: NitroX]
      #29590 - 16/04/05 10:24 AM

It is the hands, they are too human, I guess thats why I love to shoot the blighters!

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: atkinson6]
      #29676 - 18/04/05 02:20 PM

I specifically added baboon to my list last year in Zim, I think the skull makes a great mount, particularly in comparison to a leopard skull (fangs often are longer). I shot a big male out of the top of a tree and after it fell out and we were going up to get it the group really had a fit howling and sounding very agressive. Then several of the bigger ones actually charged at us pulling up at a fairly short distance before backing off even my PH was concerned and told me to be ready to shoot, there was no question they were trying to drive us off. The group finally backed off and we collected my baboon
but they certainly got our attention and proved to be more interesting than knocking down most plains game.

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: CFA]
      #29694 - 18/04/05 09:59 PM

what vexes me is that is some areas within the same country even in the same conservatory one company will ask you to kill them on sight, while the next will charge you $75/'boon if you ask about shooting them. I've killed a few that were raiding crops but never had them turned into trophies other than the pictures

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: NitroX]
      #29711 - 19/04/05 05:09 AM

My wife was with me on the last trip, and she wouldn't let me shoot one... BUT this year she's not going and I want to get one (after the buff is in the salt ).

Those bleached skulls look great.

Speaking of which, someone posted a bleached croc skull recently (maybe at AR) and it looked great too.

Found it!



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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: new_guy]
      #29718 - 19/04/05 10:05 AM

Yes peroxided croc skulls are fantastic. Little ones make nice book ends and the really big ones great trophies.
Imagine yourself in those jaws!


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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: larcher]
      #29720 - 19/04/05 10:06 AM

JB

How hard are baboons to hunt with a bow?



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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: NitroX]
      #29734 - 19/04/05 01:27 PM

In reply to:

How hard are baboons to hunt with a bow?




The ones I have hunted would be impossible to hunt with a bow. Unless you can hit a running target at 75 yards with archery equipment. They can spot a bowhunter in full camo from quite a long distance.

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: 500grains]
      #29799 - 20/04/05 08:16 PM

notto dispute you 500 gr as I'm sure the 'boons you've seen were tough to get archery close to. But while sitting in my tree hide I have had 'boons actually sit within 4 ft of me an stare trying to figure out what I was.

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Re: Shooting Baboons? [Re: terry]
      #29821 - 21/04/05 03:14 AM

When sitting in a hide in South Africa a couple years ago baboon did come to the waterhole to drink. the buggers definitely knew we were there though even though we didn't move nor made any noise. Same as guinea fowl at another hide. Maybe a baboons curiosity can be used against them.



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