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Wanabebwana
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33 Nosler
      #289595 - 30/10/16 08:18 AM

Nosler just announced its 33 caliber extension of its proprietary line which includes the 26,28,30 and now the 33. Let's hope the 37 Nosler comes out next year followed by the .41 and 45 Noslers.
Getting performance approaching the Lapua from a cartridge that holds 3 in the mag in a standard length action ( Mauser 98)sounds like a winner.
The 330 Dakota is almost identical ( slightly longer)but not as easily available as a Nosler product.
http://www.nosler.com/blog/news-and-arti...t-the-33-nosler

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Re: 33 Nosler [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #289596 - 30/10/16 10:54 AM

Looks like Art is going to dip into his wallet again.

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Re: 33 Nosler [Re: gryphon]
      #289597 - 30/10/16 11:21 AM

"SMOKING" for a short fat BELTLESS magnum.

That one sounds GREAT!

Necked to hold 9.3 bullets certainly sounds a great idea.

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Re: 33 Nosler [Re: DarylS]
      #289603 - 30/10/16 03:05 PM

Wait 'til next year Daryl. Dollars to doughnuts they bring out a .375 on that lovely shortened and blown out .404 Jeffrey case. Should not be much better than the .375 Ruger though.
The .338 Win is a great cartridge and I have owned one and also a .340 Weatherby but did not care for the rifle. With these two and the new .338 Norma, .338 RUM, the .338 Lapua and the mighty .338/378 Weatherby as well as the .330 Dakota,and now the 33 Nosler, the magnum size cartridge in .338 caliber is well covered by the industry.
Though I own and love the 9.3 caliber in the 9.3X57 and 9.3x62 formats I cannot see the use for a wildcat 9.3/33Nosler especially since most African countries would not allow it for DG. Also the 9.3x64 is a very nice over the counter beltless case with enough power to drop the biggest bear.
I doubt a Moose or brown bear would agonize over .009" of bullet diameter when hit with two and a quarter tons of kinetic energy. But then again if it weren't for the experimenters we wouldn't have such useful cartridges as the .14 Walker to shoot mice at 200yds or 26lb 4 bores firing 2000gr bullets at $150 a pop.

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37 Nosler??? *DELETED* [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #289604 - 30/10/16 03:06 PM

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Re: 37 Nosler??? [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #289616 - 30/10/16 09:11 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Thank You for Sharing Wanabebwana!
Interesting, as I've been a .338" fan (.338-06, .338 Win Mag, .340 W/by and .338 Lap Mag), for decades now.
Mind you, I get good life out of my reloaded .338 Lap Mag cases (Lapua brand), whilst achieving 3024 fps with 250grn bullets, from a 26" Remington factory barrel. So given that the new Nosler factory loads, are only achieving these velocities with the 225grn bullets, I don't think it will challenge the Lap Mag? Only time will tell..........

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Re: 37 Nosler??? [Re: Homer]
      #289619 - 31/10/16 12:13 AM

As far as I can tell, much of the popularity of the .375 Ruger has been down to the rifles that it is available in. That will probably be hard for Nosler to compete with. My guess would be that they stick to fast longer-range application cartridges, but you never know...

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Re: 37 Nosler??? [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #289624 - 31/10/16 03:16 AM

Ya-know guys....................Wheels are still round.
I see no reason to re-invent them.

In the USA if you can lie to the buying public and tell them something is new and improved, they will often believe it's improved.

It really not.

It's just a reshape of a brass powder bottle behind a bullet.

Lazzeroin, Weatherby, A-square and about 10 wildcats have shown us this for 50 years or more.

Faster is not necessarily better, and in many cases it's worse.

Less barrel life, which means less ability to practice.

Higher cost of ammo which means less ability to practice.

Necessary use of high priced bullet if you hand load to withstand the higher impact velocities, which means less ability to practice.

Less availability or rifles in said caliber. Except for very expensive ones, which means most shooters will have less ability to practice.

Higher levels of recoil which means most shooters cannot shoot very long strings of fire, which means.....guess what? Less ability to practice.

Less ability to practice will mean a less proficient marksman in about 99.5% of the cases.

This is the "all American marketing ploy" which unfortunately works all to well.

Buy a new gidget and you'll have an advantage. But it's not true.

No one wants to tell the market the truth.

That truth is simple.

It's not the tool that makes the difference.
It's the shooter.

Practicing with your rifle is a far better way to make successful hunts then buying something new and (not) improved


Edited by szihn (31/10/16 11:05 AM)

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Re: 37 Nosler??? [Re: szihn]
      #289626 - 31/10/16 03:58 AM

Great post Steve. But it has always been that way, the money is in selling something new. I have always wondered how much practice people really get given the cost and recoil of some of these cartridges. For my money the easy shooting efficient 338 federal is the best 338 of all.

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Re: 37 Nosler??? [Re: cordite]
      #289627 - 31/10/16 05:13 AM

The .338 calibre is a favourite around here for moose hunting - it's proven to be an incredible round for that purpose as well as for the big bears - very effective indeed.

Wanabebwana, it is the moose and bear hunting I was thinking about when qualifying the .33 Nosler as a good round & the game for which MOST rifles in this calibre, .338 Fed to the .340 WTBY are sold for around here.

I had an itch for a .338 - something from the little Fed.(always liked the '08 case) to the 8mmWSM and .338 Win Mag., but bought a .243 & .300 Win. Mag. instead. Don't ask, I do not know why I did this. At this point, I know I'd have been happy with the .338 Fed. instead as I already have rat rifles and deer rifles in 6.5x55, .260 Rem as well as the cute little .243 Ruger International.

As I already have a 9.3, .300 Mag and .375, plus 2 .45's and a .50 I really enjoy shooting now and then, I won't be buying a .33 Nosler - or any of their ilk - I don't see a reason strong enough to spend $2,000.00 or more on a rifle & scope that probably will bore me fairly quickly.

I do get bored with many rifles once I get them shooting well - then I sell them, then wish I hadn't - then I try to buy them back and the new owner won't sell - it's an old record with me.

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Re: 37 Nosler??? [Re: DarylS]
      #289636 - 31/10/16 12:15 PM

My 2 favorite 338s are the 338-06 and in some rifles the 338 federal.

If I want more power I am a devotee of the 375H&H.
I have yet to shoot anything that covers the bases was well as the 375 let alone better.

I have owned a bunch of others too. 325 Win Short mag. 338 W. Mag. 358 N. mag. 375 Weatherby. 416 Taylor (3 of them). 416 Rigby. 404 Jeffery. 458 Winchester (4 of them). 460 G&A.

But the one I still have (which is now on it's 2nd barrel) is the 375H&H. Over the last 20 years I have sold all the rest.

I am going to make myself another 404 because I liked the old own so much, but I have not really missed all the others very that much. I liked them all, but the one I love is the 375 H&H Mauser I still own, and will never sell.

If I ever make another 338 for myself I am sure it will be either on the 06 or the 308 shell. I like the bullets from 200 to 225 grains in that bore size, and higher velocity is of no real use to me for the game I hunt at the rangers I hunt them.

The 338 Win Mag is a very popular rifle here in Wyoming, and I have made a lot of them. I have a high degree of respect for the round. But for me personally, I like the 375 better.

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Re: 37 Nosler??? [Re: Homer]
      #289643 - 31/10/16 02:03 PM

The Lapua is going to be around for a while but if ballistics where the only criteria the .338/378 or a wildcat .338 300gr based on the .505 Gibbs ( or reinforced CheTac case) would be the belle of the ball. The Nosler or Dakota give ballistics that exceed normal hunting requirements and allow the use of a standard length action and an extra round in the flush magazine. I loved my .340 Weatherby and lusted for even more velocity but I hated the rifle that chambered it and the need for long barrels to burn the slowest powders. This new offering from Nosler would allow someone to re-barrel or re chamber a standard magnum action with no costly modifications, a shorter bolt throw and an extra cartridge without the need for a 28" barrel a military type magazine and a ghastly muzzle brake.
I personally have no need for more than a .338Win or a 9.3x62 for hunting big game in North America.
But more can be fun. The .338 Norma available as loaded ammo is even more powerful than the 33 Nosler and will fit a standard action with a little coaxing..

.338 Norma case right, .338 Lapua case left. Both based on shortened .416 Rigby case.

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Re: 33 Nosler [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #289654 - 31/10/16 11:59 PM

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Nosler just announced its 33 caliber extension of its proprietary line which includes the 26,28,30 and now the 33. Let's hope the 37 Nosler comes out next year followed by the .41 and 45 Noslers.
Getting performance approaching the Lapua from a cartridge that holds 3 in the mag in a standard length action ( Mauser 98)sounds like a winner.
The 330 Dakota is almost identical ( slightly longer)but not as easily available as a Nosler product.
http://www.nosler.com/blog/news-and-arti...t-the-33-nosler



My contacts in the industry have told me Nosler was coming out with am "entire line".. of their own cartridges..whether that means every caliber or not, I am not sure..but yes, heard of this coming out a few months back...personally and greedy on my part but really hoping they come out with a .416 of some sort...

The .33 caliber would probably be "the one caliber" if I was to use just one that could be used anywhere on the planet..with the exception of the Big Five where it would be illegal in some areas ..but then not so sure the .30 wouldn't fit that bill as well...

Personally as I have stated before, hope they keep coming out with new cartridges..Nosler or anyone else... no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to buy them..if you don't like them, don't buy them, its as simple as that...the market, by demand, will sort it all out on its own..

I shoot my new calibers as often as I shoot my older ones, in fact right now I shoot them more. I dare to say recoil will not be much different on the Nosler 33 than it was on the older 338 Winchester..I personally have a 338RUM and find it surprisingly comfortable to shoot. Its a standard laminated stocked Remington 700..with scope all in around 9lbs..have shot it several times in the past month...As to barrel errosion..most will never shoot out their barrels..how many thought their .264 W Mags were shot out when actually they just were not cleaned properly..and if you do shoot one out, the last I checked, they still make barrels..

The hype from many of the gun magazines however was just that..hype..the suggestion that the 28Nosler is faster than the 7mm RUM is a lie pure and simple..I have both, hand load for both and have chrono'd both..there is NO way a case holding 10 grs more powder is going to be slower, period... so when reading the info posted, you do need to take it with a grain of salt..or three..same holds true for the 30 Nosler vs the 300RUM...the RUM wins hands down..again, have shot both and loaded for both...the 26Nosler is another story..it smokes the .264 W Mag..as much as it kills me to say that as I am a big .264 Win Mag fan....

Perhaps I am a bit different than the average Joe on the street, but I like playing with them. Different bullet weights, distances, game to be hunted with them..all of that really intrigues me..so, I say, bring them on...My wallet is waiting Gryphon

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Re: 33 Nosler [Re: Ripp]
      #289664 - 01/11/16 03:47 AM

You order now Ripp and it might be ready to pick up in 2 weeks,wink!

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Re: 33 Nosler [Re: gryphon]
      #289675 - 01/11/16 06:28 AM

That is the neat thing about our hobby, there our so many different paths you can take. I personally enjoy shooting old guns and odd calibers so I don't pay much attention to new offerings. But old or new, if it gets someone out shooting, it's all good!

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Re: 33 Nosler [Re: cordite]
      #289683 - 01/11/16 10:25 AM

The .338 RUM has almost the same capacity as the Lapua. The Norma has slightly less capacity as it is a shortened, 2.5", but improved case without the pronounced body taper of the Lapua. The 33Nosler does not claim to be the fastest but that it will fit a standard 3.34" magazine. Note that you could not rechamber a .338 Win to .33 Nosler (as the Nosler case is slightly shorter) without setting the barrel back a few threads.

.338 Norma specs ( COL is given for 300gr match bullet seated flush with base of neck. Hunting bullets could be seated for a COL of 3.34".)

Type Rifle
Place of origin Sweden
United States
Production history
Designer Jimmy Sloan, Norma
Manufacturer Norma
Produced 2009
Specifications
Parent case .416 Rigby
Case type Rimmed, bottleneck
Bullet diameter 8.60 mm (0.339 in)
Neck diameter 9.40 mm (0.370 in)
Shoulder diameter 14.50 mm (0.571 in)
Base diameter 14.87 mm (0.585 in)
Rim diameter 14.93 mm (0.588 in)
Rim thickness 1.52 mm (0.060 in)
Case length 63.30 mm (2.492 in)
Overall length 93.50 mm (3.681 in)
Case capacity 6.95 cm3 (107.3 gr H2O)
Rifling twist 235 mm (1 in 9.25 in)
Primer type Large rifle magnum
Maximum pressure 440.00 MPa (63,817 psi)

.338 Lapua specs

Type Rifle
Place of origin Finland
Service history
Used by Multiple official and civil users
Wars Afghanistan War
Iraq War
Production history
Designer Nammo Lapua Oy
Designed 1989
Produced 1989–present
Specifications
Parent case .416 Rigby, .338/416
Case type Rimless, bottleneck
Bullet diameter 8.58 mm (0.338 in)
Neck diameter 9.46 mm (0.372 in)
Shoulder diameter 13.82 mm (0.544 in)
Base diameter 14.91 mm (0.587 in)
Rim diameter 14.93 mm (0.588 in)
Rim thickness 1.52 mm (0.060 in)
Case length 69.20 mm (2.724 in)
Overall length 93.50 mm (3.681 in)
Case capacity 7.40 cm3 (114.2 gr H2O)
Rifling twist 254 mm (1-10")
Primer type Large rifle magnum
Maximum pressure 420.00 MPa (60,916 psi)

.338 RUM specs

Designer Remington
Designed 2000
Specifications
Parent case .300 Remington Ultra Magnum
Case type Beltless, rebated, bottleneck
Bullet diameter .338 in (8.6 mm)
Neck diameter .371 in (9.4 mm)
Shoulder diameter .5261 in (13.36 mm)
Base diameter .5500 in (13.97 mm)
Rim diameter .534 in (13.6 mm)
Case length 2.760 in (70.1 mm)
Overall length 3.600 in (91.4 mm)
Case capacity 113 gr H2O (7.3 cm3)
Rifling twist 1-10 in (254 mm)
Primer type Large rifle magnum
Maximum pressure 65,000 psi (450 MPa)

.338/378 Weatherby specs

Parent case .378 Weatherby Magnum
Case type Belted
Bullet diameter .338 in (8.6 mm)
Neck diameter .361 in (9.2 mm)
Shoulder diameter .560 in (14.2 mm)
Base diameter .582 in (14.8 mm)
Rim diameter .603 in (15.3 mm)
Rim thickness .059 in (1.5 mm)
Case length 2.905 in (73.8 mm)
Overall length 3.65 in (93 mm)
Case capacity 125 gr H2O (8.1 cm3)
Rifling twist 1 in 10
Primer type Magnum Rifle
Maximum pressure 63,817 psi (440.00 MPa)

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Re: 33 Nosler [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #289692 - 01/11/16 12:39 PM

those Allens are something else,all of them!

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Re: 33 Nosler [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #289710 - 01/11/16 11:06 PM

I have both the 338 Lapua and the 338RUM..like them both. They are chambered in 2 totally different rifles..the Lapua is in a Sako TRG-42 vs the RUM in standard Rem 700 ...obviously the Sako with the factory brake installed is much more pleasant in terms of recoil..however the Rem is just as accurate with factory ammo as much as it pains me to say that...

They make incredible long range shooters/killers for elk...devastating effect..I had a complete pass through stem to stern shooting 250gr A-Frames with the 338RUM..on a cow elk several years ago..incredible..


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Re: 33 Nosler [Re: Ripp]
      #289720 - 02/11/16 06:14 AM

I have done that with Hydro pills,in a Lap or Rum they would hit CO!

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Re: 33 Nosler [Re: gryphon]
      #289723 - 02/11/16 07:10 AM

G'Day Fella's,

I read somewhere, that Nosler have developed a 265grn Accubond Long Range bullet, I assume for their new .338 cartridge (and other .338"). Sounds like a serious contender, for long rangers!

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Re: 33 Nosler [Re: Homer]
      #289725 - 02/11/16 09:09 AM

The 265gr. would be considerably more suitable for the slower, standard .338's, like the .338/06 and .338 Win Mag. with standard rates of twist - 12", isn't it - or 10"?

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Re: 33 Nosler [Re: DarylS]
      #289726 - 02/11/16 10:14 AM

Then at that weight they might just zip right through a lot of game.

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Re: 33 Nosler [Re: DarylS]
      #289729 - 02/11/16 11:10 AM

Quote:

The 265gr. would be considerably more suitable for the slower, standard .338's, like the .338/06 and .338 Win Mag. with standard rates of twist - 12", isn't it - or 10"?



My experiences with the accubond has been mixed. Agree with the above statement. The accubonds seem to do much better when the mv is 3000-3100 or less...again, in my experience, especially on tougher game..the jacket it too thin for the higher velocity calibers such at the RUMs and the newer 26 and 28 Noslers...not good penetration was my experience when used in Africa and here in Montana. Especially on game like elk out of my 300RUM and 7mmRUM...

They work well with more moderate velocities such as a 270, 280, or heavier for caliber bullet weights to keep the speeds down..

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Re: 33 Nosler [Re: Ripp]
      #289747 - 02/11/16 03:07 PM

At the time I owned my .340WBY,1977-1981, the Nosler partition was the most reliable bullet availble. I used the 250 gr loaded to 2850fps and never felt the need for anything better. I still favor Nosler partitions for all North American big game from .270Win to .375 H&H but they are not really needed for the .300 Savage and the slower velocities of the 9.3x57 and 9.3x62.
If I were to invest in a classic custom rifle I would want a classic chambering. If I bought a rifle specifically for hunting in BC or Alaska I would consider the .33Nosler,the RUM or the Lapua. A friend of mine has a .338/.378 WBY accumark with Nightforce scope. It has a 28" barrel including muzzle brake. The ammo, which he reloads, costs new,over $200 bucks a box and is a special order. The rifle is absolutely no fun to shoot. More brutal than a .416 Rigby CZ 550 or a Browning High-Power .458 Win. He cut his brow on three occasions, one ruining an expensive hunt and requiring medical attention. The local range will not allow him to use it on weekends or times when the place is crowded.His hunting partners last one hunt but he has bragging rights when it comes to ballistics.

Edited by Wanabebwana (02/11/16 03:18 PM)

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Re: 33 Nosler [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #289758 - 02/11/16 10:36 PM

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At the time I owned my .340WBY,1977-1981, the Nosler partition was the most reliable bullet availble. I used the 250 gr loaded to 2850fps and never felt the need for anything better. I still favor Nosler partitions for all North American big game from .270Win to .375 H&H but they are not really needed for the .300 Savage and the slower velocities of the 9.3x57 and 9.3x62.
If I were to invest in a classic custom rifle I would want a classic chambering. If I bought a rifle specifically for hunting in BC or Alaska I would consider the .33Nosler,the RUM or the Lapua. A friend of mine has a .338/.378 WBY accumark with Nightforce scope. It has a 28" barrel including muzzle brake. The ammo, which he reloads, costs new,over $200 bucks a box and is a special order. The rifle is absolutely no fun to shoot. More brutal than a .416 Rigby CZ 550 or a Browning High-Power .458 Win. He cut his brow on three occasions, one ruining an expensive hunt and requiring medical attention. The local range will not allow him to use it on weekends or times when the place is crowded.His hunting partners last one hunt but he has bragging rights when it comes to ballistics.



That Weatherby sounds like a beast I want no part of. Who would want to carry something like that around the mtns to hunt? Each to their own, IMHO, Weatherby's time has come and gone from the glamour days of the '60's and 70's. The expense they charge vs what you can get in other brands makes it hard to justify spending the money on a Weatherby. Personally I have never had very good luck or been a great fan of their rifles..went through more than a half dozen of them in the '90's ...none of which shot to what I wanted..so I built one in .257 Weatherby caliber..which does shoot very well and accounted for my largest mule deer to date ..

While at the range yesterday morning I was shooting a friends custom lightweight in 300RUM..had a custom brake on it..was amazingly easy to shoot..and incredibly accurate..factory ammo..3 shots touching at 100 yrds...but yes, would not want to shoot it without hearing protection, which takes some away for me as I do NOT wear hearing protection while hunting..probably should, but seems couterproductive to what I am doing at the time..

There must be a heck of a tax up there for the price to be $200 per box?? Its no where near that down here the last I looked..but like your friend, I reload all of mine as well...I have the .257 Weatherby and a .240 Weatherby for my wife..but she keeps grabbing either the Kimber in .308 or the Tikka in 22-250 vs the Weatherby..which has probably not had 20 rounds fired through it at this point.

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