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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #285964 - 01/08/16 05:02 AM

think the most distinctive part of the berger needle fire gun is the "crank lever" I know only from early german breech loading guns in the 1850s and 60s.
here is a morecommon hammer gun with this special underlever




engraved with "Fr. Hollstein" https://www.dorotheum.com/en/auctions/cu...=Quick%20Search

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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #287329 - 03/09/16 02:32 PM

a "Fürst Pless " gun in auction, only information I got was SN 471
gunmaker who sold it was Wilh(elm) Krüger in Wriezen a/O (an der Oder) not far from from Frankfurt a/O heart of the Collath guns
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6071316













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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #287696 - 11/09/16 01:33 PM

the Prine Pless gun, a 16 ga btw, sold for over 1000 euro what is a very high price for such a double gun on the german market not to forget that we are in the last days of the holiday season when the gun market sleeps a little bit

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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #288593 - 02/10/16 06:26 AM

again an early muzzle loading needle fire gun from Leipzig, now "WEIGANDT in LEIPZIG"
http://www.hermann-historica.de/db2_de/aktuelle-auktion-2.html
17mm caliber double gun here with the side levers of the 1830s Dreyse&Collenbusch muzzle loader needle fire guns and not with the crank lever.











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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #292661 - 28/12/16 02:56 AM

obviously build as a needle fire double gun with the original unloading rod still there
http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_info.php?products_id=30781

"14 Gauge; Good bore, good stock, 30'' barrel, Manufactured circa 1870s with original browned finish Damascus barrels, casehardened frame and mounted in walnut. The frame and tangs are fully scroll engraved. The bottom of the frame is silver inlaid with a sheild pattern around an eagle. The bottom of the trigger guard has a silver inlaid dove. The top of the barrel is silver inlaid C. SVENDSEN IN KIEL, with a silver inlaid C.4 on top of the rib. Fancy trigger guard with a bone grip. The stock has a fine checkered wrist and a cheekrest. Original sling swivels and ramrod are in place. The barrels retains some of the browned finish and the frame retains some traces of case color, having turned mostly an even gray. The wood has small dings and scratches overall. The action is working however will need some attention. Barrel lockup is good. This was a high quality gun in its day, and although showing some age and handling has been very well taken care of. Antique., s/n 61xx "

C 4 on the barrel can point to Collath shotgun cartridge No.4 because Berger was using the Collath shotgun cartridges and Collath use the Berger shotgun cartridges on special order but it must be than the original paper needle fire version of Collath cartridge. C. Swendsen in Kiel was without a doubt only the local gunmaker who sold the gun and put his name on it.

















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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #293197 - 05/01/17 10:00 PM

needle fire double gun by J. Müller auf Zlonice, gunmaker of the house Kynsky / Bohemia
http://www.waffenhofer.at/?product=zuendnadel-zwillingsflinte-j-mueller
again a gun that looks like a combination of early Collath and Berger features

















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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #295648 - 22/02/17 07:35 AM

just in auction in czechia http://aukro.cz/jehlovka-s-posuvnymi-hlavnemi-syst-collath-i6722515048.html

"16 ga" is it a real needle fire gun as pic no. 3 shows very clearly















thinking this must be around 1870 when the design of this action changed into the "Fürst Pless" gun but it still use a cartridge with needle priming in the base of a paper cartridge


two pics of another gun I was not able to get more informations about. its the original Berger needle gun design with "Steacke Lanuesdter" what could be a netherlandic maybe
http://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthrea...true#Post464959





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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #298226 - 31/03/17 10:53 PM

another rare needle fire gun: Troll/Wien combination gun, shotgun barrel 17mm and rifled barrel 15,5mm(16 ga and 24 ga)
http://www.hermann-historica.de/de/zuend...mp;currentpos=5





the needles are connectet with hammers



needle fire combination gun by "CH. FRIDEL IN MÜHLHAUSEN" SN 13
http://www.hermann-historica.de/de/zuend...mp;currentpos=6
16,5mm and 14 mm caliber









an original berger gun that looks like most being converted from needle fire to center fire
http://s146.photobucket.com/user/jessi_82/media/antiqueshotgun/DSCN0318.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3
































original Berger gun SN 1510 made by Meffert in Heinrichs by Suhl( today a part of Suhl) with a much later unique safety probably made when the gun was changed for 16 ga centerfire cartridges




here under a prince pless gun, also 16 ga


















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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #299063 - 15/04/17 05:57 AM

http://www.germanhuntingguns.com/archives/archive-rempt-gebruder-rempt-remo/








http://www.gunscity.ru/663-ruzhe-imperatorskih-krovey.html

another prince pless gun in russia










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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #299795 - 29/04/17 01:58 PM

the needle fire double gun in czechia ist still for sale,find it again http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/245658-jehlovka-collath-vzacna/











you can have any bulino engraving in the universe and give me only this two dogs




and again a gun offered as "I dont know what it is but believe its a Dreyse or Collath"

"H. Burgsmuller by Dreyse 16 double barrel" http://www.gunbroker.com/item/640221096


























ahhhh, my eyes! can anyone take this philips screws away please
























well, its not a Dreyse ( Burgsmüller was primarly a wholesaler)or a Collath but another early german breech loading design ... the Leue und Timpe / Berlin
had it in this thread before

needle fire combination gun by "CH. FRIDEL IN MÜHLHAUSEN" SN 13
http://www.hermann-historica.de/de/zuend...mp;currentpos=6
16,5mm and 14 mm caliber









and a center fire bore rifle here
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....e=0&fpart=2

double rifle in 16/70 here sold directly by Leue & Timpe /Berlin, SN 676
















the action is easily recognizable if you know it

http://www.icollector.com/Unique-Engrave...otgun_i17958971
16 ga double gun












"Unique Engraved and Gold Inlaid Leue & Timpe Underlever Side by Side Damascus Barrel Shotgun

This shotgun was manufactured before 1887. Heinrich Leue studied under his uncle Heinrich Barella before he moved on to working with Fritz Timpe and then finally with W.W. Greener. The receiver, under lever, striker cover and trigger guard have large amounts of floral scroll engraving. The top tang has "374" highlighted in gold along with a coat of arms also having gold highlights. The barrels have two gold inlaid bands at the breech end, have "H. LEUE & TIMPE KAISL. FRANZS. HOFBUCHSENMACHER. BERLIN." inlaid in gold on the rib, are choked cylinder/cylinder and have 2 1/2 inch chambers with an extractor. The water table is stamped on both sides "L195T" and the bottom flat of the barrels are stamped "L280T". There is a sliding firing pin block on the right side of the receiver. Mounted on a checkered walnut forearm and straight grip stock with a carved horn lower tang, raised right handed cheekpiece and a smooth steel buttplate. Length of pull is 14 1/2 inches. With a Birmingham proof certificate dated July 5th, 1988 stating it could not be proofed due to dented, distorted or pitted barrels.
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a double rifle with a very unique trigger guard http://www.fischerauktionen.ch/auktion/objektZoom.aspx?oid=146833&num=0


probably also for bore cartridges

again miscalled "Engraved and Gold Inlaid Dreyse Side by Side Underlever Shotgun"
http://www.liveauctionworld.com/Engraved...otgun_i15312663





16 ga, SN 41





http://www.germanhuntingguns.com/archives/leue-heinrich-of-berlin/






















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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #302522 - 30/06/17 05:32 AM

another 16 ga Leue&Timpe gun, SN 3949, made by "Sempert&Krieghoff Suhl" in the 1890s
having crown +U proof
http://www.hermann-historica-archiv.de/a...;db=kat58_s.txt





we can assume that the Leue&Timpe gun was made in Suhl probably by different gunmaker. after 1893 when this double gun was made Leue&Timpe


dont exist anymore.



this firm was called than Leue&Greener because of the strong connection between Leue and Greener.




http://www.germanhuntingguns.com/archives/leue-heinrich-of-berlin/



"R. BERGER IN COETHEN" needle fire gun SN 2003, 16,5mm caliber and "SYSTEM BERGER PATENT" http://www.hermann-historica.de/de/zuend...mp;currentpos=2





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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #302924 - 10/07/17 05:41 AM

early Leue&Timpe sold by C. Svendsen in Kiel, SN 195
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/c-svendsen-underlukker-jagtgevaer-1800-tallets-slutning/i4708181/#



















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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #304432 - 24/08/17 04:08 AM

in the next Holts auction
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...242&image=2

H. BARELLA, GERMANY
A SCARCE 25-BORE NEEDLE-FIRE SINGLE-SHOT SPORTING-RIFLE, MODEL 'BARELLA'S PATENT', no visible serial number,
circa 1870, with re-browned octagonal slightly swamped 28 1/2in. damascus barrel, the top-flat signed 'H. BARELLA KONIGL: HOF. BUCHSENM: IN MAGDEBURG' and inlaid in silver, dove-tailed fore-sight, standing notch rear-sight with additional folding leaf, engraved band at breech, full relief carved and engraved receiver with depictions of game and oak-leaf scrolls, false percussion fences, yellow-metal shield inlet to the top-strap initialled and engraved with a crown, cocking indicator to top-strap, walnut butt-stock chequered at the wrist and carved with an angular raised cheek-piece, engraved complex shape patchbox and heel-plate, horn trigger-guard tang cover, double set triggers, plain walnut schnabel-tipped fore-end with engraved mount and rotary 'Barella Patent' swing under-lever with horn handle, fitted with broad iron swivels









think this was made int the 1860s before Barella move from Magdeburg to Berlin

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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #305477 - 18/09/17 02:35 AM

new pics of a gun thats in the internet for a while now
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/696116500

true Berger needle gun but the seller is very vague, maybe chambered for the Collath No.1 shotgun cartridge






















































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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #306127 - 09/10/17 02:57 AM

J.Goehler/Berlin Fürst Pless combination gun in 16/65 and 11,2x50R



































http://piterhunt.ru/scripts/forum/showthread.php?p=735419&t=42479&viewfull=1
http://popgun.ru/viewtopic.php?f=156&t=404160


and another 16 ga Fürst pless double gun









http://piterhunt.ru/scripts/forum/showthread.php?t=25932

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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #306246 - 12/10/17 01:04 AM

16 ga (?) "System Berger Patent Cal. 7", SN 1388
"Rud. Berger in Coethen Hof-Büchsenm. S. Hoh. d. Herzogs von Anhalt u. Sr. Majestät v. Preussen"
Rudolf Berger, gunmaker of the duke of anhalt and the king of prussia
https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/luxu...p;currentpos=10







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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #306986 - 30/10/17 12:29 AM

a needle fire break action rifle by Schmitd&Habermann in Suhl around 1879, 9,5mm caliber
https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/lang...mp;currentpos=3



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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #307292 - 05/11/17 11:42 PM

" J.A HENCKELS in BERLIN" , on the barrels "C4" so mayby for the Teschner No. 4 shotgun cartridge
https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/h17/hagelgevar/4630_8









Sauer&Sohn 18 mm (12 ga)https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/v17/antika-licensfria/4106_7





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      #309497 - 26/12/17 01:10 PM

16 ga "A. Haetge Berlin Klosterstr. n° 64" Fürst pless gun
http://www.thierrydemaigret.com/html/fic...mp;aff=5&r=



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      #310612 - 18/01/18 10:11 PM

16 ga System Berger Patent N 1451






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      #311526 - 02/02/18 09:02 PM

16 ga Berger gun "A HAUSSNER IN MAGDEBURG"
122 cm long, very long barrels http://www.thierrydemaigret.com/html/fic...mp;aff=5&r=



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      #317472 - 23/06/18 09:28 PM

Leue & Timpe gun in 16 ga. sold by Chr. Engelmann in Querfurt
https://www.naturabuy.fr/REVOLVER-REGLEMENTAIRE-ALLEMAND-DREYSE-1879-11MM-item-4532586.html

























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      #320797 - 20/10/18 05:17 AM

berger model made by dreyse
https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/l/17...mp;currentpos=2











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      #321657 - 19/11/18 04:54 AM

very nice Leue&Timpe gun made by Funk



https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=427479

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UNUSUAL CHRISTOPH FUNK EARLY BREECH LOADING GAME GUN WITH VERY FINE RELIEF ENGRAVING.C. FUNKSXSNSN16 GACal. 16 ga. 2-1/2" Chambers. 28" Striking deeply etched Bernard bbls are inlaid in gold "CHRISTOPH FUNK IN SUHL" on raised, matted rib. Bbls are choked cylinder and full. Round bodied action with long strikers housed in top portion has evolved from needle-fire guns, has scrolled underlever actuating round bolt which engages hole in boss on bottoms of breech ends of bbls in the manner of guns of Daw''s patent. A unique sliding safety bolt is installed in right fence which has dual push-button detent, locking it in either fire or safe position. Action is beautifully relief engraved with full coverage of well executed Germanic scrolled acanthus surrounding full relief game scenes; a fox with captured bird in mouth is on left side of action, and a doe is on right. Portrait of a dog is on top strap. An exceptionally fine portrait of stag and hind are on top of striker housing. A relief engraved buck is on trigger guard. All engraving is within gold wire inlaid borders. Horn trigger guard extension forms short hooked grip, rear portion scroll carved. Beautifully marbled and nicely fiddle figured European walnut buttstock measures 14" over plain horn buttplate. Stock features a relatively large swept right hand cheekpiece, and point pattern flat top checkering. Fully checkered captive forend mounts to bbls with captive side nail through oval silver escutcheons.

Teschner Patent made by Sturm in Suhl


https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=421027

"FINE CARVED & ENGRAVED NEEDLEFIRE DOUBLE BARREL SHOTGUN WITH ROYAL CREST.TESCHNER & STURMNEEDLEFIRENSN16GACal. 16 GA. Beautiful 31"Damascus bbls marked on rib "TESCHNER & STURM - PATENT". Breech receiver, cocking arm & other iron mounts are deeply engraved with floral & animal motifs. Top of breech has a gold inlaid crown above a shield with mark of a nobleman. Stock is beautifully carved in relief including large panel of a dog pack. CONDITION: Very good overall. Metal is grey with sharp edges with no orig finish. Engraving all discernible. Wrist has old break and contemporary repair as can be seen in photos. Small piece of wood missing on right side of buttstock where it adjoins breech. Gun appears functional, cocking arm exposes needles with bright shiny bore."

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Re: Berger needle fire/Fürst Pless gun [Re: lancaster]
      #322799 - 27/12/18 06:48 AM

A. HAETGE NEEDLE FIRE DOUBLE
https://www.simpsonltd.com/products/c24945
"16/24 Gauge; very good bore, good stock, 26 5/8'' barrel, Combination gauge double gun, browned Damascus barrels, casehardened frame, mounted in checkered walnut. Top rib has rifle style sights, fixed front with one standing and one folding leaf rear sight. Gold inlaid on the rib "A. HAETGE BERLIN", with gold inlay bands around the chambers. Frame and mounts have deep chiseled oak leaf pattern engraving. Collath type underlever with horn tip. 14.25 inch Length of Pull. Fine mechanically. From the collectiof of Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess. Antique, s/n 9xx"













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