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Ripp
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Pedersoli double rifle with hammers..
      #288026 - 19/09/16 01:32 PM

Have no idea of the quality of this weapon. Saw an article about it in a recent magazine..my inital thought was this could be a fun little weapon to run around the woods in the land down under hunting buff ... Have never been down there but plan to be in the not to distant future...

Ripp

http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/tipologia-prodotti.asp/l_en/idt_61/rifles-kodiak-mark-iv.html

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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: Ripp]
      #288039 - 19/09/16 07:18 PM

Suggest you consider the 450 Nitro version.

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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: Well_Well_Well]
      #288051 - 20/09/16 06:38 AM

I keep hearing about the .450 Nitro version. It is not an option that I see on their website no matter how hard I look...... I know I am in dire need of viagra and arch supports, but do I also need glasses? Seriously though, am I just not looking in the right place?

To rechamber a .45-70 into a .450 Nitro is possible I suppose if there is enough barrel/chamber metal, but a factory chambering would b by far my 1st choice.....

Edited by Postman (20/09/16 06:41 AM)

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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: Postman]
      #288056 - 20/09/16 07:19 AM

The 45-70 is easily reamed out to a 45-90 or 45-110.
With modern powders, you do not need to go further.
In my Miroku 1886 45-90, I get 2150 fps with the 450 grain Kodiak and that kills Cape buffalo well.

My friend in Australia kills their water buff with a 300 grain .405 WCF bullet, so with proper 45-70 ammo, you do not need to extend the chamber unless you really want to see what you can get out of the rifle.
If you do extend to 45-90, please let us know how it goes.

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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: crshelton]
      #288063 - 20/09/16 10:33 AM

Pedersoli has some of the worst checkering out there. They would look better without any checkering.

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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: crshelton]
      #288072 - 20/09/16 02:49 PM

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The 45-70 is easily reamed out to a 45-90 or 45-110.
With modern powders, you do not need to go further.
In my Miroku 1886 45-90, I get 2150 fps with the 450 grain Kodiak and that kills Cape buffalo well.

My friend in Australia kills their water buff with a 300 grain .405 WCF bullet, so with proper 45-70 ammo, you do not need to extend the chamber unless you really want to see what you can get out of the rifle.
If you do extend to 45-90, please let us know how it goes.



Yeah "my mate" also killed one with a .22 RF and didn't even hit it, the breeze dropped it dead ....

Was having a good long talk to Graham Williams of Australian Buffalo Hunters yesterday.

During the conversation, it appears he has 'hardened' his ideas of what is expected from a water buffalo.

Always shoot it again, even if it drops down to the first shot. They are often just stunned and will soon try to get up again. This is also my experience.

They often take more than two shots to kill.

He now uses a .500 Jeffery as his back up rifle. And as a bolt action. No longer uses a double rifle. As he says two rounds are not enough. Fine use, a .577 NE or a .600 NE but he now wants a bolt action with a magazine.

Between him and his other guide, they have had sixteeen water buffalo charges over the years. The so called "stopping rifle" he says is only a stopping rifle, when the brain is hit.

A .375 with a 300 gr should be minimum, better a 350 gr. Or a .400, or .450 etc.

From a man who has shot a lot of buffalo and been present for the shooting of a lot of water buffalo.

Sure "mates" have used 6.5x54mm to kill water buffalo quite well, when undisturned and when not wounded and charging down on one.

My own small experience with a charging buffalo from last year was when it was shot in the lungs with my .450 and later when found, it took two more .450's to the chest without even flinching. Still died, but had it in the end not ran past me when I ducked behind a tree to reload, it would have been an end of the barrel brain shot proposition after reloading.

Big bulls also soak up the lead more than smaller bulls and cows. Water buffalo are bigger and heavier than cape buffalo.

Yep, if planning to use in "Down Under", go for the .450 NE version.

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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: NitroX]
      #288074 - 20/09/16 04:23 PM

after owning one its not one id want to carry for long periods, its no lightweight

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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: Postman]
      #288080 - 20/09/16 07:56 PM

The website is silent, but it is a standard item.

Your local gun shop should be able to order one, albeit with a few months wait.

It'll not be light, but a 450 shouldn't be........

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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: greenshoots]
      #288081 - 20/09/16 08:16 PM

Quote:

after owning one its not one id want to carry for long periods, its no lightweight

greenshoots



Ripps a big strong martial hunting machine. If I can carry a 13 lb .450 double rifle around all day, he can carry two.

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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: NitroX]
      #288083 - 20/09/16 08:22 PM

Per Mehul from the following NE thread:

Quote:

I contacted Davide Pedersoli on Facebook, and they confirmed that they offer the 450 NE.

Quote [Dear Mr. Kamdar,

Yes, we do offer our Kodiak Mark IV also in the .450NE since few years.] End Quote.



http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=283218&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

And the link now works for me ...

http://wholesalehunter.com/product.asp?productid=11126918



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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: NitroX]
      #288090 - 20/09/16 10:33 PM

Quote:

Per Mehul from the following NE thread:

Quote:

I contacted Davide Pedersoli on Facebook, and they confirmed that they offer the 450 NE.

Quote [Dear Mr. Kamdar,

Yes, we do offer our Kodiak Mark IV also in the .450NE since few years.] End Quote.



http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=283218&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

And the link now works for me ...

http://wholesalehunter.com/product.asp?productid=11126918






Well then, a 450 Nitro it is..

Ripp

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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: Ripp]
      #288099 - 21/09/16 12:25 AM

RIPP

What is your other double rifle? I forget what you already have. Just interested.

I too like a double with hammers.

Starting in a month or so time, I need to get two or three rifles shooting, and one is that 10-bore.

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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: NitroX]
      #288100 - 21/09/16 12:28 AM

Quote:

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after owning one its not one id want to carry for long periods, its no lightweight

greenshoots



Ripps a big strong martial hunting machine. If I can carry a 13 lb .450 double rifle around all day, he can carry two.



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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: DarylS]
      #288111 - 21/09/16 01:15 AM

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Quote:

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after owning one its not one id want to carry for long periods, its no lightweight

greenshoots



Ripps a big strong martial hunting machine. If I can carry a 13 lb .450 double rifle around all day, he can carry two.



Second only to Chuck!





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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: NitroX]
      #288373 - 26/09/16 10:58 PM

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RIPP

What is your other double rifle? I forget what you already have. Just interested.

I too like a double with hammers.

Starting in a month or so time, I need to get two or three rifles shooting, and one is that 10-bore.



John,

Watson577 acquired a nice 10 bore double rifle a year or so ago. He has been successful working up loads for it. He and I shot it just this past weekend, and it is fine. You might get some pointers from him to save yourself a lot of trial and error.

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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: NitroX]
      #288377 - 26/09/16 11:33 PM

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RIPP

What is your other double rifle? I forget what you already have. Just interested.

I too like a double with hammers.

Starting in a month or so time, I need to get two or three rifles shooting, and one is that 10-bore.




John,

My other double rifle is a Westley Richards in 470 Nitro..was built 1910 and picked up from the factory in 1911 per the papers and info I received from WR.. Shoots very well with both my handloads as well as Federal factory ammo...

Thx

Ripp

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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: Ripp]
      #289924 - 07/11/16 03:06 PM

Has anyone gotten their hands on a 450 NE Pedersoli? I'm starting to find the idea of a modern hammer double appealing and am curious if there's any feedback.

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Re: Pedersoli double rifle with hammers.. [Re: sauerdb]
      #289933 - 08/11/16 05:34 AM

Hopefully the .450Nitro ammunition will be more available.

Speaking of the .450Nitro. Winchester tried in with their .458Win to duplicate past times .450Nitro ballistics. It has been a commen knowledge that Winchester .458cal ammunitions didn´t live up to claimed ballistics...BUT..there is a BUT in the book `Expert`s on guns & shooting`(1900) by GT Teadale-Buckell on page 461(Rigby chapter) a Mr.Knight, Maneger of Curtis & Harvey conducted velocity tests on Rigby´s .450Nitro. The 480grain is 1970 ft/sec and 350Grain is 2059 ft/sec.

Maybe Winchester afterall got it right?...:LOL

Edited by rigbymauser (08/11/16 05:35 AM)

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