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What is this "cut out" in this Mauser
      #287999 - 19/09/16 04:29 AM

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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: gryphon]
      #288007 - 19/09/16 06:49 AM

That's nothing there but advertising. The link seems to be wrong.

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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: szihn]
      #288008 - 19/09/16 07:25 AM

hmm thats strange as it comes up when I click it..i will save and host it myself. Give me five mins.





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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: gryphon]
      #288009 - 19/09/16 07:31 AM

You mean the thumb slot for using stripper clips on a military action?
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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: 3DogMike]
      #288013 - 19/09/16 07:37 AM

OK thanks.

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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: gryphon]
      #288016 - 19/09/16 08:41 AM

It's a bottle cap opener.

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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #288018 - 19/09/16 09:29 AM

You will have to catch up..we have twist tops on our beer bottles here.

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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: gryphon]
      #288019 - 19/09/16 09:57 AM

Well actually, don't know where I saw it recently, but there was a post (on some other site) that showed it as part of a patent whose purpose was to act as a gas relief port.
The U.S. O3A3 doesn't have it, and neither does the P17 and both use chargers.

Always thought it was a charger cutout but makes more sense that it is a relief port for the left side of the action.

Not claiming this as my idea, read it elsewhere.

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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: Tom_H]
      #288021 - 19/09/16 10:51 AM

Gryphon,

You will find that Wannabebwana is correct and it is a bottle opener. You will notice that it is an old Mauser in the photograph which was made well before the invention of twist top bottles.

This also explains the reason you don't find these bottle openers manufactured into modern variants of the 98 Mauser (or any other modern rifle for that matter), as the old pop top bottle is a thing of the past, twist top bottles are the way forward.

Another reason the bottle opener was removed from modern manufactured 98 Mausers, was that in some obscure circles it was deemed as potentially dangerous to be drinking whilst shooting. This trend of not drinking whilst shooting has not yet caught on, as you can see when viewing this thing called YouTube.

Also, Tom H nails it when he says they couldn't be charger ports as O3A3's and P17's don't have them.

I'm not sure how thin the air is up in Colorado, but for 3DogMike to suggest it is a charger slot is just a ploy to try to confuse the more intelligent members of the community.

So Gryphon, I hope this clears up you query. Sometimes things are not quite as they first appear.

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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: BillG500]
      #288023 - 19/09/16 11:44 AM

bottle opener my freckle!

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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: gryphon]
      #288024 - 19/09/16 12:10 PM

Where's you sense of humor? The cut out allows clearance for the thumb when you use a stripper clip to push down 5 cartridges into the magazine. I thought everyone knew that. Remember that the guns were made in Germany and that in the winter soldiers and hunters wear gloves. You can hold the cartridges down with your left thumb as you close the bolt. This allows to keep an empty chamber or to have a round in the chamber and increase capacity to 6 rds. One maker of new super expensive CNC machined 98 actions charges $300 to incorporate this feature in their action.
One drawback is that this weakens the left wall of the action so try not to throw one hard against a concrete wall and you'll be OK.

Edited by Wanabebwana (20/09/16 01:40 AM)

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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #288025 - 19/09/16 01:10 PM

I was talking to a WW11 Kraut Soldier today and he advised that when they invaded France the cut out was perfect for lifting the lid on the confiscated champagne..he also advised that the one in the pic hasnt opened one damn thing ha ha.

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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: gryphon]
      #288033 - 19/09/16 06:13 PM

I was taught to use my right thumb on the Lee Enfield, the Germans may well of used the left thumb.

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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: gryphon]
      #288036 - 19/09/16 06:37 PM

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bottle opener my freckle!



I believe that is Gryph's bottle opener!

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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: NitroX]
      #288038 - 19/09/16 07:10 PM

For left handers like myself the Mauser 'thumb' cut does work well when loading the magazine, not using chargers of course, they were only for the military cartridges in clips, they don't make charging clips for the 404J!!!!

When loading from charger clips using the right hand/thumb the cutout does provide relief for the tip of the thumb as cartridges are pushed down into the magazine and of course as already pointed out, accommodate charging when wearing gloves.

The cutout was also designed by Mauser as a gas relief in event of a ruptured case, better if you are shooting left handed but still better than gas coming back down the bolt when using any handed.

As for weakening the action it has no bearing as the Mauser is a front locking action therefore all the work to hold the rifle together on firing is done at the front lug recess area of the receiver.

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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: eagle27]
      #288082 - 20/09/16 08:17 PM

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For left handers like myself the Mauser 'thumb' cut does work well when loading the magazine, not using chargers of course, they were only for the military cartridges in clips, they don't make charging clips for the 404J!!!!

When loading from charger clips using the right hand/thumb the cutout does provide relief for the tip of the thumb as cartridges are pushed down into the magazine and of course as already pointed out, accommodate charging when wearing gloves.

The cutout was also designed by Mauser as a gas relief in event of a ruptured case, better if you are shooting left handed but still better than gas coming back down the bolt when using any handed.

As for weakening the action it has no bearing as the Mauser is a front locking action therefore all the work to hold the rifle together on firing is done at the front lug recess area of the receiver.



Excellent post. Covers ALL the issues.

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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: NitroX]
      #288089 - 20/09/16 10:05 PM

Very good post, eagle27!
That weakening thing of the original M98 Mausers by the thumb cutout, is a myth repeated since I remember...

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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: eagle27]
      #288101 - 21/09/16 12:33 AM

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For left handers like myself the Mauser 'thumb' cut does work well when loading the magazine, not using chargers of course, they were only for the military cartridges in clips, they don't make charging clips for the 404J!!!!

When loading from charger clips using the right hand/thumb the cutout does provide relief for the tip of the thumb as cartridges are pushed down into the magazine and of course as already pointed out, accommodate charging when wearing gloves.

The cutout was also designed by Mauser as a gas relief in event of a ruptured case, better if you are shooting left handed but still better than gas coming back down the bolt when using any handed.

As for weakening the action it has no bearing as the Mauser is a front locking action therefore all the work to hold the rifle together on firing is done at the front lug recess area of the receiver.



Works perfectly for me too - and I use my right thumb on the chargers, m98 and m96. My thumbs are quite large (wide) and the cutout is needed to clear my thumb to push the ctgs. all the way down. I can do it on other actions without the cutout, but it is easier and faster with it.

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Re: What is this "cut out" in this Muaser [Re: DarylS]
      #288135 - 21/09/16 06:36 AM

Have to try the bottle opener thing...

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