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.458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike
      #287223 - 01/09/16 12:58 AM

I owe to the true to admit that we were somewhat skeptical when Mike asked us if we agreed to build a big game rifle using a 1958 proofed Mannlicher-Schöenauer Mod.1956 cal. 458 WM as a foundation.
The challenge was to do the rifle in DORLEAC fashion with the following requirements:
wide field of view removable classic scope, express sights and some sort of ghost ring for quick shoot.
We selected a S&B 1,25-4x24 scope with prismatic rail under main tube and mounted it on special made claw mounts.
For us it appears that it's the best way to scope the split bridge Schöenauer action when you want an easy detachable mount with perfect zero return.
In order to adapt our stock pattern we machined a new solid trigger guard and fitted a newly made adjustable trigger that goes slightly further to the rear allowing a more confortable grip.
On the bolt we have inletted a small buffalo horn tip dovetailed in the spoon handle. We have seen that conversion done on pre WW1 Westley-Richards M-S and we believe that it was done for an easier operation of the bolt without being hurt by the edges of the spoon.
We have completed the fitting with a period Parker-Hale folding peep sight brazed on the bolt shroud. It has been made so it can be used as a ghost ring without interference in handling with the low mounted scope and it benefits of the option of two apertures, a wide ghost and a more accurate one.
The last problem was with the stock and the walnut blank.
The Mannlicher stock is heavily relieved and as the rifle will be stocked DORLEAC style it will get some form of slim stock.
Indeed the action is bedded but our experience with such heavy recoiling rifles that will be used in Africa is to select a walnut blank with good grain flow.
We have preferred to use well-seasoned French walnut (Juglans Regia) even if it doesn't display as much figures than Turkish woods.
Here is the near completed rifle in the white.

Best regards.


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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: DORLEAC]
      #287224 - 01/09/16 01:49 AM

That is truly one super beautiful rifle!

I think the change to the bolt spoon handle was also excellent. I like the look of the Mannlicher spoon handles but do not actually like using them. And on a DGR I think they are far from ideal if needed for quick use. Well done on the alteration.

The new trigger guard also looks perfect.

And the stock is the usual Dorleac excellent modern classic design.

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: DORLEAC]
      #287265 - 01/09/16 10:53 PM

That is beautiful work. The rifle is so graceful it doesn't look like it could possibly be a .458!

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #287268 - 01/09/16 11:28 PM

The stock work is indeed impeccable, but since the left side of the receiver is evidently machined to accept a side mount base, might I point out that a Griffin & Howe mount allows the scope to be mounted as low as the bolt handle will permit and leaves no clutter on the receiver or barrel to interfere with iron sights once the scope is removed.




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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: xausa]
      #287275 - 02/09/16 12:43 AM

Amazingly good ,love the metal work on it too

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: NitroX]
      #287284 - 02/09/16 07:24 AM

Quote:

That is truly one super beautiful rifle!

I think the change to the bolt spoon handle was also excellent. I like the look of the Mannlicher spoon handles but do not actually like using them. And on a DGR I think they are far from ideal if needed for quick use. Well done on the alteration.

The new trigger guard also looks perfect.

And the stock is the usual Dorleac excellent modern classic design.


ditto!

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: 500Boswell]
      #287286 - 02/09/16 07:55 AM

Absolutely superb, beautiful lines and as was stated above, so graceful it couldn't possibly be a 458. It is great to see you doing something other than Mauser's and being a fan of Mannlicher's this one doesn't get any better. The stock is perfect and the bolt handle very clever.

Did you use the original barrel or is it a new one ?
Is the rifle getting any engraving ?

As always thanks for posting such great photos.

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #287289 - 02/09/16 09:46 AM

Wow, just wow!

It always takes my breath away when I see a photo of a stock emerging from a blank of wood. Especially where the metalwork is inletted into the stock like that.

Oh to have such talent...

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: Rockdoc]
      #287290 - 02/09/16 09:57 AM

Utterly perfect!

I never seem to tire of seeing custom Mannlichers. The Dorleac stock shape is beautiful IMO!

GG

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: GG375]
      #287293 - 02/09/16 11:28 AM

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Utterly perfect!

I never seem to tire of seeing custom Mannlichers. The Dorleac stock shape is beautiful IMO!

GG



Unfortunately you don't see very many as most people seem to consider it sacrilege to turn a factory Mannlicher into a custom sporting rifle, and yet they are a superb platform for a custom gun.

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #287318 - 03/09/16 10:59 AM

What a beautiful rifle makes me want to throw mine in the river.....what is the finish nickel or a hard chrome? If I were to add anything and its something i allways wanted is a cartage trap.I hate to ask but what does something like that cost?

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: ducmarc]
      #287358 - 04/09/16 03:32 AM

Now is "Mike" one of our members at NE? Seeing Joel named the rifle as "working for Mike"?

If so or anyway "Mike" has an absolutely beautiful new Mannlicher-Schoenauer rifle.

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: NitroX]
      #287531 - 07/09/16 06:07 PM

That's me best, Mike

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #287532 - 07/09/16 06:14 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Utterly perfect!

I never seem to tire of seeing custom Mannlichers. The Dorleac stock shape is beautiful IMO!

GG



Unfortunately you don't see very many as most people seem to consider it sacrilege to turn a factory Mannlicher into a custom sporting rifle, and yet they are a superb platform for a custom gun.

Waidmannsheil.



The Poms weren't afraid to customise them in the early days but as you say, not many are done nowadays. I had a semi custom M1950 in 9.3x62 made here in Australia but don't know of any others.

GG

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: GG375]
      #287656 - 11/09/16 03:48 AM

Bravo! Superb!

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #287666 - 11/09/16 06:46 AM

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That's me best, Mike



You will soon have a "new" superb and beautiful rifle. Congratulations.

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: NitroX]
      #287776 - 13/09/16 09:32 AM

Wow, Joel! That has to be the most exquisite Mannlicher that I have ever seen! But then, when you lavished your attention on it, it would have to be that! Absolutely gorgeous!

Congratulations, Mike! Your taste in fine firearms is laudable, of course, and you have chosen the right artisan to build this treasure! Has to come out of a fine aesthetic instinct! Well done, once again, sir!

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #287814 - 13/09/16 11:21 PM

Excellent work , Dorleac. Can not use a better platform than a .458 Mannlicher Schoenauer (Win Mag) since some of the greatest elephant hunters used the .458 Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles . Richard Harland used one to cull thousands of elephants in the Rhodesian corridors ...Terry Irwin used one in Tanzania, Selous Game park and Barry Dugworth use several .458 MS to hunt dangerous game. Their rationale being that this is the only dangerous game rifle that do not have a bottom metal that open up when firing under stressful hunting/culling circumstances.

As pointed out by a Mannlicher Shoenauer collector , the .458 Mannlicher Schoenauer with this stock from the 1958 era is an American version and can be altered as one wants since it is not really a original deigned Mannlicher stock...Mike , you did well to make this choice..excellent rifle enjoy it , it shoots extremely accurate for a big bore rifle...

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: GPJ12345]
      #287825 - 14/09/16 06:54 AM




Just beautiful. A level of insight and craftsmanship that one doesn't really expect to see in this day and age.

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: lonewulf]
      #302984 - 12/07/17 04:40 PM

Mike, .458WM Mannlicher-Schöenauer is now fully completed.
Making that big game rifle has been quite a challenge as I owe to the true to recognize that the basic quality of the 1956 donor Schöenauer wasn't up the craftsmanship level we usually found on prewar production.
We have done the best to create a clean, well-balanced, rifle and we hope its owner will like and use it with confidence.
As stated earlier the sighting equipment relies on a S&B 1,25-4x24 scope fitted on special hand made quick detachable low claw mounts while the metallic sighting line combine a front 1/10" gold bead, three leaves express rear sight and a modified P-H bolt peep sight with removable aperture converting it to ghost ring.
Indeed all the barrel fitting is band soldered while the front swivel base is silver brazed.
The French walnut stock is DORLEAC slim style and some stubble touches of engraving, gold inlays and color case hardening complete the finish.
Please feel free to comment.

Best regards to all.

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: DORLEAC]
      #302986 - 12/07/17 05:42 PM

That is very very beautiful, congratulations on a fantastic job. I would feel honoured to own such a fantastic piece!
Sadly I will never have the funds but do love to dream

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: Viking338]
      #302989 - 12/07/17 08:44 PM

Bloody Hell Joel, it just doesn't get any better than this. Absolutely stunning, perfect in every way. I think Mike is going to pass out when he actually holds it in his hands. Super well done and thanks for sharing.

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #302990 - 12/07/17 09:57 PM

WOW, I didn't know A Schoenaur could look so good !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice.
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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: DORLEAC]
      #302992 - 12/07/17 11:09 PM

Magnificent work! Your photography is outstanding as well!

It appears that the gold-inlaid serial numbers on the trigger guard are shadowed. I don't think I have seen that done before.

Again, magnificent work!

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Re: .458WM SCHÖENAUER : DORLEAC working for Mike [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #302993 - 12/07/17 11:15 PM

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It appears that the gold-inlaid serial numbers on the trigger guard are shadowed. I don't think I have seen that done before.



Yes the serial number is hand engraved, gold inlaid and shadowed.

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