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wwiifirearms
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Any info or value on this H. Scherping Hannover rifle?
      #286144 - 06/08/16 06:02 AM

Looking for help on model, caliber, age and value. Thanks















Edited by wwiifirearms (06/08/16 07:07 AM)

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Re: Any info or value on this H. Scherping Hannover rifle? [Re: wwiifirearms]
      #286148 - 06/08/16 08:57 AM

Nice looking rifle. I really like the full length octagonal swamped barrel and claw scope mounts. Bet it holds nicely. Any measurements on the bore and chamber length with diameter of the base and rim.

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Re: Any info or value on this H. Scherping Hannover rifle? [Re: DarylS]
      #286155 - 06/08/16 01:27 PM

Thanks,
Bore is about .45. And is rifled. I have yet to attempt other measurements, but I will try tomorrow.

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Re: Any info or value on this H. Scherping Hannover rifle? [Re: wwiifirearms]
      #286156 - 06/08/16 03:14 PM

Doing some reading and maybe someone can confirm the following:
-The crown over V proof means it was already on-hand in 1891 when the proof laws went into effect.
-However, the 4.06 would mean it was also proofed in April of 1906
-The 62,78 is a gauge which equates to a .420" bore. (10.65mm maybe .416)

Am I interpreting correctly?
Thanks,
Ray

Edited by wwiifirearms (07/08/16 01:04 AM)

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Re: Any info or value on this H. Scherping Hannover rifle? [Re: wwiifirearms]
      #286169 - 07/08/16 02:17 AM

I like it. That would be a great gun to restore and take a few deer with. German proof marks are not my strong point, sorry.
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Re: Any info or value on this H. Scherping Hannover rifle? [Re: bouldersmith]
      #286171 - 07/08/16 02:40 AM

IMO this is black powder rifle.

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Re: Any info or value on this H. Scherping Hannover rifle? [Re: Igorrock]
      #286172 - 07/08/16 03:34 AM

Yes - BP for sure. Interesting standing breech with dual fences, left one with phony nipple or firing pin seat, instead of just rounding over as on a British single hammer gun.
May be an 11 mm of some sort - 11 or 11.2 x 60/62?mm perhaps?

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Re: Any info or value on this H. Scherping Hannover rifle? [Re: DarylS]
      #286174 - 07/08/16 04:01 AM

Any thoughts on value, in the US, in it's current condition? I know it is not an exact science, but I honestly don't know if it is worth hundreds, thousands, or ten's of thousands.
I see double rifles in the $3000 to $15,000 range. This seems more unique, but I don't know if that makes it worth more or less.
Thanks,
Ray

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Re: Any info or value on this H. Scherping Hannover rifle? [Re: wwiifirearms]
      #286209 - 08/08/16 03:28 AM

Just to straighten up some things: Though the German proof law dates from 1891, it took some time to decree the proof rules, establish proof houses and so on. So that 1891 law came into full force on April 1, 1893. The "in stock" crown/V Vorratszeichen, a proof exemtion mark, was stamped during March 1893 only. If you doubt this, I may provide the original German orders and decrees.
This "H.Scherping, Hannover" rifle was actually made for Scherping by Sauer & Sohn, Suhl. The "caveman" was a registered S&S trademark. The two crowns were S&S own quality marks for best execution and guarantied shooting. As the crown/V mark shows, it was in stock at either S&S or Scherping during March 1893, ready for sale.
Some years later it was maybe rebored or rechambered, at least reproved, crown/R mark, for a smokeless load, crown/N, in 4,06 = April 1906, by the Zella –Mehlis proofhouse, as the ledger number 984 indicates.
The bore/land diameter (NOT groove or bullet!) was established at the proofhouse in 06 as gauge number 62,78 = in between .420 and .429". You will have to make a chamber cast and to slug the bore to find out about the chmber and groove diameter. I assume it is for one of the German LK cartridges, 11.15x40R Lk, 11.15x50R LK, 11.15x52R LK, 11.15x55R LK, 11.15x60R LK or 11.15x65R LK. AFAIK the LK cartridges were the only ones of the many German "11 mm" cartridges regularly offered with a smokeless, copper jacket "light nitro" load.
Pehaps you should post the rifle on the forum of the German Gun Collectors Association www,germanguns.com too, as there are several Scherping and Sauer & Sohn collectors active there.

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Re: Any info or value on this H. Scherping Hannover rifle? [Re: kuduae]
      #286217 - 08/08/16 12:37 PM

Wow! Thanks, that is awesome information.
-Ray

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Re: Any info or value on this H. Scherping Hannover rifle? [Re: wwiifirearms]
      #286224 - 08/08/16 07:38 PM

The cartridge that it is chambered for will determine lots of it's value. Something really hard to reload or make will decrease value and something easy will increase it. It's not worth as much as a double rifle. Depending upon caliber $800 to $1500 tops.

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Re: Any info or value on this H. Scherping Hannover rifle? [Re: casper50]
      #286229 - 08/08/16 08:39 PM

Thanks for the perspective on value. That helps a lot. I'll see what I can figure out on the chambering.
-Ray

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