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Pretorius
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Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff
#285585 - 24/07/16 12:43 AM

I have one of these, on a P14 action. Seems hardly used, and l haven't fired it.
I was wondering what it was worth? Any ideas?

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DarylS
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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: Pretorius]
#285586 - 24/07/16 02:17 AM

Pictures would help!

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Pretorius
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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: DarylS]
#285590 - 24/07/16 02:52 AM

Could l email them to you? I've tried before on my iPad, and gave up posting pics , l just fkn can't
If someone could post for me l would be grateful

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DarylS
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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: Pretorius]
#285593 - 24/07/16 07:07 AM

I think you need a keyboard - or it is rather difficult without - same with a phone.

I sent you a PM with my e-mail address on it.

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Bidgee
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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: DarylS]
#285594 - 24/07/16 07:10 AM

I post all my photos from an iPad.

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Pretorius
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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: Bidgee]
#285596 - 24/07/16 09:19 AM

Yeah well , l didn't say it can't be done, only that l can't do it. Too dumb, too old, too confused?.
I've sent the pics to Daryl .

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DarylS
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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: Pretorius]
#285597 - 24/07/16 09:53 AM

Mr/ P- here they are - and it is lovely!

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Daryl

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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: DarylS]
#285598 - 24/07/16 10:34 AM

That looks great. I like the quarter rib.

Do you know how much to weighs?

Is the forend checkered?

Cheers, Chris

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Pretorius
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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: Rockdoc]
#285608 - 24/07/16 05:50 PM

No checkering on the forend, weight is 9lb or close, l've been told, l haven't weighed it myself. It's in storage in South Africa with a friend.
My intention is to use it in its original low vel loading, on moose in Sweden. If l get a decent offer, l could let her go and use something more suited or just keep it and even use 10.75x68 type loads. I'd love to hear some opinions from you guys on the subject.

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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: Pretorius]
#285611 - 24/07/16 09:25 PM

copy the old euro load for the 10,75x68 - 610 m/sec with a 350 grains bullet and you are fine for sweden.

interesting rifle and the 404 is much easier to feed today than the 10,75x68

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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: lancaster]
#285621 - 25/07/16 03:23 AM

Nice rifle have a fondness for p14/17 rifles big and heavy no worries about blowing it up.love the guarter rib too..

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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: DarylS]
#285628 - 25/07/16 08:07 AM

Very nice rifle.

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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: Rule303]
#285643 - 25/07/16 05:10 PM

That;s a great find. I already have a 404 but would love that one, the P14 action was a good one and I like the safety on them. If I bought that rifle I would have the fore-end checkered just to 'even it up'. The RWS steel jacketed 350gr projectiles shown below would be just the medicine for moose in that rifle.

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Pretorius
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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: eagle27]
#285652 - 26/07/16 01:22 AM

There was a period when Mauser rifles and contemporaries were produced without forend checkering. A styling option l suppose. Note also that this example does not show cross bolts. An extra under barrel recoil lug was considered sufficient. I had a 425 WR done in this way too. No splitting apparent on either rifle, but l would like to add period appropriate brass cross bolts if l keep it.
I'm toying with the idea of letting it go, because l have a cogswell and Harrison 375 with cocking piece peep sight that l really like and prefer. The idea of keeping white elephants / safe queens bothers me a little. Hence the original question of what is it worth to a collector.

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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: DarylS]
#285658 - 26/07/16 06:09 AM

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Mr/ P- here they are - and it is lovely!

Oh that is really good - I like that!
Have a spare P14 at home too!!!
But if I did customise...what calibre do I make it into???

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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: 93x64mm]
#285662 - 26/07/16 07:44 AM

P-14's make really nice 8x68S - buddy Keith still loves his, after 40 years.

He also has one in 6.5x68!

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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: DarylS]
#285703 - 27/07/16 07:55 AM

That is one stylish and classy rifle! Congratulations, and good hunting!

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buckbrush
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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: mehulkamdar]
#285903 - 30/07/16 12:14 PM

very nice rifle

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AlanD
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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: buckbrush]
#285939 - 31/07/16 03:22 PM

Which gun maker converted the P14 to sporting configuration?

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AlanD
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Pretorius
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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: AlanD]
#285946 - 31/07/16 07:37 PM

I can only assume in this instance, it was Vickers themselves. However they might have outsourced it from BSA or Parker Hale. There are no markings to indicate more accurately, but historically all of these manufacturers had working relationships from time to time.

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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: DarylS]
#285954 - 31/07/16 08:41 PM

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P-14's make really nice 8x68S - buddy Keith still loves his, after 40 years.

He also has one in 6.5x68!

When converting the .303 to another calibre what do you have to do with the rimmed extractor to convert it to a rimless type??
93x64mm

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Pretorius
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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: 93x64mm]
#285958 - 31/07/16 09:24 PM

Nothing, if it's a large case head cartridge like 404 or a 300h&h. If you intend to use a standard cartridge like 30-06, then it's better to find a P17 bolt somewhere

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Rule303
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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: 93x64mm]
#285985 - 01/08/16 02:04 PM

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Quote:

P-14's make really nice 8x68S - buddy Keith still loves his, after 40 years.

He also has one in 6.5x68!

When converting the .303 to another calibre what do you have to do with the rimmed extractor to convert it to a rimless type??
93x64mm

Just grab an M17 Extractor as designed for rimless cases. The P14 303 extractor is designed for Rims. Both are the same action just different extractor, locking lugs (minor difference P14 has more meat at the front so a better bolt if using case heads bigger than 404) and of course the feed rails.

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Pretorius
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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: Rule303]
#286159 - 06/08/16 07:31 PM

Guys, thanks for the comments. My original question though... What is it worth to a collector in today's market?
Any idea?

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Pretorius
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Re: Vickers Armstrong 404 jeff [Re: Pretorius]
#286160 - 06/08/16 07:34 PM

Just never see these, so there's nothing to compare. Basic working models are around, but a hand built sporter, just nowhere. Maybe that's a good thing, but still....how to arrive at a value?

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