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Kammerherren
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What is this 10,75x68 rifle?
      #282811 - 24/05/16 08:44 AM

I came across this rifle the other day, and I found it slightly interesting. (It's not mine, that's for sure!). The rifle is as you can see chambered for the 10,75x68 cartridge. Böhler Spezial is written on the barrel. I find the rear sights a bit abnormal too. The bolt looks newer than a standard M98 bolt as well. There are something with the rifle that makes me think it is a "home made" mix rifle, but I really can't tell for sure because other details looks like a factory build rifle. I can't tell you any more details about it, but my question is if anyone have seen anything like this before? I would guess it is produced somewhere in the 1950's, perhaps 1960's. Obviously I understand that it is more or less impossible to identify a rifle 100% with this limited information, but I would like to ask you guys anyway. Any thoughts?






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Huvius
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Re: What is this 10,75x68 rifle? [Re: Kammerherren]
      #282817 - 24/05/16 10:42 AM

The stock looks a lot like a Francotte Mauser I have seen before.
Bohler is the barrel steel maker.
Are there any proofs Belgian or German?

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Kammerherren
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Re: What is this 10,75x68 rifle? [Re: Huvius]
      #282829 - 24/05/16 04:03 PM

I agree that Böhler is the barrel steel maker, that name is seen on a lot of E.G. German rifles. I don't have access to other pictures now, but I expect to receive some more shortly. What you say about Francotte is interesting. I'll add some more pictures as soon as I have them available.

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justcurious
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Re: What is this 10,75x68 rifle? [Re: Kammerherren]
      #282831 - 24/05/16 04:48 PM

There are a few features that remind me to Voere Austria.

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Re: What is this 10,75x68 rifle? [Re: justcurious]
      #282859 - 25/05/16 05:09 AM

the rear sight looks like the typical Winchester sight

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Kammerherren
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Re: What is this 10,75x68 rifle? [Re: lancaster]
      #282866 - 25/05/16 07:36 AM

I received a couple more photos. Apparently there is no text on the left side of the action. I believe the markings means the following:

PV surmounted by the lion is Nitro proofing used by FN in Belgium. This proofing was used in the period 1898-1968. (It's very possible that other smaller factories used the same proofing, but the rifle is produced in Belgium for sure.)

The marking in the middle, the Perron, is a final proof.

The Z with a star above is apparently the inspector mark. There are two guys that used Z with a star above as their inspector mark in the time span I find relevant. Mr. Degobert Theodore 1924-1949 and Mr. Luyten Martin 1952-1968 and 1974-1989. I believe there should be more markings, but they could off course be hidden under some wood. A single letter should be sufficient to find the production year.

I believe the last picture was very useful, and I don't think we will be able to get any further without more details available. The rifle is located some hours’ drive away, so I am not sure I'll ever see it live. I still believe the rifle is produced some years after WW2. Anybody have any idea for how long the factories kept supplying rifles in this chambering? At some point I would guess they concluded that .404 Jeffery was a better design?





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Re: What is this 10,75x68 rifle? [Re: Kammerherren]
      #282915 - 26/05/16 02:37 AM

I have seen such rear sight on Husqvarna rifles too. Action seems to be proofed in Belgium but the sum of other parts makes me to think that this rifle is a kind of puzzle i.e. some one has made a custon rifle from parts.

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Re: What is this 10,75x68 rifle? [Re: Igorrock]
      #282942 - 26/05/16 12:22 PM

The bolt shroud is not typical but may be factory for whatever factory produced this rifle. It is shaped for use with a sliding side safety that is visible.

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justcurious
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Re: What is this 10,75x68 rifle? [Re: Vladymere]
      #282946 - 26/05/16 06:20 PM

It is the somewhat unusual shape of the boltshroud that has resemblance to some early types of Voere rifles/modified actions.

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Wanabebwana
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Re: What is this 10,75x68 rifle? [Re: justcurious]
      #283622 - 08/06/16 10:10 AM

Pretty shoddy work. Check out space between barrel shoulder and receiver. Dovetailing receiver ring is not the brightest way to mount a scope.Poorly installed cross bolt.Action may have been proofed in Belgium but bottom metal and bolt shroud say low end custom. Too bad as the caliber is desirable to collectors.

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Huvius
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Re: What is this 10,75x68 rifle? [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #283624 - 08/06/16 11:30 AM

The caliber might be desirable to collectors but to shooters it is a downright pain!
I have found that a good Oberndorf Mauser in any chambering will outsell a 10.75X68.
It is a great cartridge, even more so with modern powders and projectiles, and I think Hornady could have quite a market if they would only make some brass.

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