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Stone Age humans brought deer to Scotland by sea
      #280561 - 08/04/16 03:59 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/stone-age-humans-brought-deer-scotland-sea-study-233224392.html

"Paris (AFP) - Stone Age humans populated the Scottish islands with red deer transported "considerable distances" by boat, said researchers Wednesday who admitted surprise at our prehistoric ancestors' seafaring prowess.

DNA analysis revealed that deer on Scotland's northermost islands were unlikely to have come from the closest and seemingly most obvious places -- mainland Scotland, Ireland or Norway, said a study in the Royal Society journal Proceedings of the Royal Society B.

"Our results imply that Neolithic humans were transporting deer considerable distances, by sea, from an unknown source" some 4,500-5,500 years ago, co-author David Stanton of Cardiff University told AFP by email.

"These results are surprising... The evidence suggests that we have misunderstood our relationship with this species," he added.

"Perhaps humans managed deer, having long-term relationships with herds that allowed them to plan, capture and transport deer on longer voyages."

It was known that late Stone Age humans had transported cattle, sheep and pigs by boat, but not large wild animals, and not over such vast distances.

Red deer, said Stanton, were central to life in Britain from the end of the last Ice Age about 11,000 years ago to the arrival of the first late Stone Age farmers.

The animals provided crucial nourishment, skins, sinew, bones and antlers -- used to till the soil, among other things.

Scientists say all animals, including deer, found on the islands today must have been introduced by seafaring people.

The islands were covered in ice during the last "glacial maximum", a period of deep Earth freeze, and have since been separated from each other and the mainland by spans of ocean too wide for deer to swim.

It was therefore thought the deer must have been brought from nearby, possibly from mainland Scotland, boat-hopping from island to island with short spurts of swimming in between.

But DNA analysis of Neolithic deer bones found that those on the most distant, northern islands, were genetically dissimilar to deer from Britain, Ireland, the western European mainland or Scandinavia.

"The hunt is now on to find the ancestors of these deer," said Stanton."

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https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016...p-study-reveals

" Riddle of the red deer: Orkney deer arrived by Neolithic ship, study reveals

Research has found that red deer were brought to the Scottish islands by humans, but the question remains: where did the Neolithic colonists come from?
Stags and hinds were brought to Orkney and the Outer Hebrides by humans, but from where?

Tim Radford

Wednesday 6 April 2016 00.01 BST


The riddle of the red deer of Orkney and the Outer Hebrides has just become even more baffling. Stags and hinds arrived with humans – but not from Scandinavia, nor from the British mainland.

And they can only have arrived by ship: transported by enterprising Neolithic colonists who had learned to treat deer as livestock, long ago and far away in Europe.

Scientists report in the Proceedings B of the Royal Society that they studied sequences of DNA from Cervus elephus on the Outer Hebrides and from Orkney to settle the question of origins.
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And they established that the island deer were not introduced from Scotland. That is, they were not related to red deer already roaming the mainland. Their results were also “inconsistent with an origin from Ireland or Norway.”

So the only other possible answer is, they say “long distance maritime travel by Neolithic people … from an unknown source.”

The finding also suggests that new stone age humans found a way to domesticate red deer.

“Domestication is probably a misleading word for it,” said David Stanton, of Cardiff University, who led the genetic analysis. “We consider them to be wild animals, but wild could probably be put in inverted commas. There was a stronger relationship with these animals than we previously thought.”

The Orkney and Hebridean invasions could only have happened after the retreat of the ice 10,000 years ago, and, says Jacqui Mulville, a bioarchaeologist at Cardiff University, red deer kept the first mainland Britons alive: they provided food, skins, sinews, bones and tools made of antler.

Almost no evidence survives of Neolithic sea-going craft. But the Scottish islands are separated from the mainland by deep waters, at distances beyond any deer’s swimming capability.

“All terrestrial fauna must have been deliberately introduced by seafaring people,” Dr Mulville says. “These people were sophisticated, skilled farmers, with large settlements. The islands were popular places to settle, with sufficient resources to allow people to thrive. The coastal environments offered a wide range of marine, coastal, terrestrial and aerial resources and these people utilised them all.”

Europe’s red deer probably survived the ice ages somewhere in the Iberian peninsula, and spread across the continent as the glaciers retreated. They were the ancient European’s first animal resource, until the arrival of farming from the Middle East. Although the genetic lineages of the island deer were unique, one at least matched deer fibre found in the clothing of Ötzi the Iceman, the copper age humanwho died on an Alpine glacier 5,000 years ago.

Dr Mulville called the results “surprising.”

“This evidence suggests we have misunderstood our relationship with this species. Perhaps humans managed deer, having long-term relationships with herds that allowed them to plan, capture and transport deer on longer voyages.”

The study, the scientists say, presents “the first attempts to understand the deliberate translocation of faunal species into insular Britain and track the source for these introductions.” And, they concede, the antlered invaders came from “a currently unidentified source population.”"

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Re: Stone Age humans brought deer to Scotland by sea [Re: lancaster]
      #280593 - 09/04/16 04:08 AM

Like big stones being moved....aliens!

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Re: Stone Age humans brought deer to Scotland by sea [Re: gryphon]
      #280656 - 09/04/16 11:50 PM

Interesting. It is not hard to transport fawns for example, so it could well have been done that way and later escapes or releases. Perhaps primitive man semi-tamed red deer. Primitive man must have tried to tame all sorts of species to come up with the successful species ie domesticated over the generations and the less successful species, which were mostly failures. Deer species have been used to tow carts and buggies in more modern times. Primitive man in Northern Scotland only had the choices available from the species resident in those parts.

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Re: Stone Age humans brought deer to Scotland by sea [Re: NitroX]
      #280660 - 10/04/16 02:15 AM

Read somewhere this photo was taken in Northern Manitoba, Ca.



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Re: Stone Age humans brought deer to Scotland by sea [Re: DarylS]
      #280669 - 10/04/16 05:18 AM

I have a vintage pic of a pair of moose in harness also.

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Re: Stone Age humans brought deer to Scotland by sea [Re: gryphon]
      #280673 - 10/04/16 06:48 AM

History is not science... It is the story that we tell ourselves to make sense of the few things that science and records can tell us.

.......and maybe our "primitive" ancestors were not as primitive as we like to make out.

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