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Joshua
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Sporter Mauser 93
      #279387 - 16/03/16 06:42 AM

Ladies and gentlemen, I just acquired my newest rifle today and it is all I was hoping for. Now what I would like to do is build this into an early 19th century stalking rifle. As it is right now it is in a nice walnut stock, but needs a little work on the metal and bolt. So please direct me into some ideas of how this rifle should look to meet what I am after

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Re: Sporter Mauser 93 [Re: Joshua]
      #279389 - 16/03/16 07:16 AM

Please go and look this forums "Mauser photos and archive". There is very many nice mausers.

I don't want to be impolite but it seems that you have too hurry; take it easy, read more and look more fotos. That's the best way to learn. When you have feelings that you really have learned something then there is time to buy yours first nice rifle. That's because you should know what you are going to buy before you do the act.

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Joshua
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Re: Sporter Mauser 93 [Re: Igorrock]
      #279391 - 16/03/16 09:52 AM

My apologies for posting this thread. I have spent numerous times looking through many of the threads here, and still have more to look through. I posted because I know many of the members here have messed with a lot more older rifles than I, so seeking advice is all. But I will go back and look through the archives. Again, I do apologize

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Joshua
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Re: Sporter Mauser 93 [Re: Joshua]
      #279393 - 16/03/16 10:31 AM

And the rifle I received is a rifle I have been wanting for a long time. It fits what I want, being a light weight rifle with good pointability. I need to replace the cocking piece and re-do the bolt body, and that is the two major things needing fixed. Beyond that, I need to figure out stock finishes, checkering, and a good style of sight to go with it all to match what I am after. I will continue to read the forums to try to answer my own questions, but if I run into a dilema I will post to ask

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Re: Sporter Mauser 93 [Re: Joshua]
      #279397 - 16/03/16 11:26 AM

In my opinion, a M93 rifle is a bit harder to remodel into a nice sporter than is a M98 rifle. I am not sure why this is. Daniel Fraser did the best work that I have seen using the 93/95 as a basis. At least, that was what I thought until I saw the work done by Dorleac! You should be able to find the threads where those rifles were discussed.

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Re: Sporter Mauser 93 [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #279398 - 16/03/16 11:30 AM

Thanks, I have been looking and looking lol. I have a good basis for what I want, so not much more to do other than small cosmetics and certain personal likes and touches. And yes, I have to admit Dorleac does a VERY good job at working the mauser actions into works of art

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Re: Sporter Mauser 93 [Re: Joshua]
      #279425 - 17/03/16 07:33 AM

If this rifle is of Lowe or Mauser manufacture then heat treating should not be an issue but if this is an Ovideo manufactured rifle then the heat treating is a crap shoot. Spanish made Mauser rifles are know for some of them to have improper case hardening which shows up as bolt lug setback. This can be found by visual examination with the barrel removed. If there is a problem you will see indentations starting in the locking lug surface. If this is found there is no recourse for salvaging the receiver. If this is found then the more you shoot it the worse the condition becomes to the point that the bolt will have to be hammered open.

Obviously a Mauser type 98 action would be a better start. You might be able to find a Czech Vz24 for as little as $250 if the stock and barrel are not to good and you buy it for the action only. Another alternative would be to look for a Turkish K'Kale marked Mauser. The K'Kale marked actions and rifles where indigenously manufactured in a factory in Kirikale, on the outskirts of Ankara, in a factory set up for the Turks by the Czechoslovakians and, in my opinion, are every bit as good as the Czech and German actions.

Vlad

Edited by Vladymere (17/03/16 07:40 AM)

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Re: Sporter Mauser 93 [Re: Vladymere]
      #279434 - 17/03/16 11:20 AM

Thank you for the nice write up Vlad, and very informative. The rifle has been gone over by a competent gunsmith and no issues with the action, only the bolt itself will need a little work so all is good there. As for strength of these actions, my only goal is to come near equaling the original ballistics of the 7x57 round. That being to push a heavier for caliber bullet at a slow to medium velocity. It is not going to be a long range rifle by any means and I am not after bench rest groups, but rather a utilitarian light weight hunting rifle. I figure at the worst I will use it to just run cast loads through and be just as happy

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Re: Sporter Mauser 93 [Re: Joshua]
      #279435 - 17/03/16 11:23 AM

Ok Joshua, good luck with your project and please post photos of it during the progression and when you are done.

Vlad

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Re: Sporter Mauser 93 [Re: Vladymere]
      #279878 - 26/03/16 01:52 PM

Something like this?



That's a Husqvarna rebarreled to 257 Roberts. Comes in under 7 lbs with the steel tube Weaver scope.

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Re: Sporter Mauser 93 [Re: D_the_D]
      #279977 - 28/03/16 11:56 PM

Sorry but I don't get this that the Mauser 93 cannot be made into a lovely sporting/hunting rifle. Mauser and DWM did this when they were still new as can be seen here:-













As you can see a typical late 19th century sporting rifle. Reinforced panels to the stock, small Germanic cheek piece, schnable tip to fore stock and octagonal barrel profile. All it really lacks is a nice hunting aperture sight. This rifle is a DWM Plezier made for the Boers in about 1897.

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Re: Sporter Mauser 93 [Re: Brithunter]
      #279980 - 29/03/16 01:37 AM

Brithunter,
Nice one!
You know the general prejudice against small ring Mausers. Every other armchair expert has condemned them and the rest follow along. Their "lack of gas handlng" is exactly what the Model 70 Winchester has. Lack of third lug? Where's it at on the venerated M70? Old Wive's tales are far too engrained in the American mythology to let reality take hold. It leaves the nice trim little sporters to those of us who don't have magnumitis. 7 x 57 isn't big enough to kill a 125 lb deer, don't cha know?
Oh yeah, I forgot Spanish steel is not good. Except that Toledo and Oviedo sword blades were more highly sought after than Wilkinson because of the superior steel and heat treatment. Interesting, no?
Someone will come along and explain to us why the rifle that has been shooting 7x57 without a hitch for the last 100 years isn't safe to continue shooting said same 7 x 57 today. Bet if it was a small ring Rigby in 275 the same "experts" would oooh and aaah. Ha ha ha.

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Re: Sporter Mauser 93 [Re: D_the_D]
      #280050 - 30/03/16 09:13 PM

Thank you for the kind comments. This DWM is shootable but the bore is frosted with some wear as well. It also requires a new foresight blade to be made as the bead is missing from the thin blade. I actually put this on Guntrader for sale the other week but had no interest so will have to see if I cna find a specialist dealer to seel it on a commission basis. reason is that the storage costs are too much to keep paying out. So my small collection is slowly being broken up.

I did shoot some modern ammunition through this but that particular load was a little hot and it was felt on extracting the cases so after a couple of rounds that was it. Oddly enough the carbine and rifle also by DWM that I bought in the deal shot this ammuniton with no problems but they did have better ciondition bores. Those were sold some years back to help replace the car after a nice van driver totalled my car for me.

If only it were easier to ship an antique rifle abroad but they make it as difficult and expensive as they can here in the UK.

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