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Spring
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Overpriced or Underpriced? You make the call
#27911 - 18/03/05 03:40 AM

I was looking at a gun I found online earlier today. Based upon the caliber, the maker, and the condition as you perceive it to be, is it overpriced or underpriced?

This gun is a Cogswell & Harrison in a .475 Straight with a sidelock action. Here's the description from the seller:

Fully scroll engraved action that has possibly been re-colored. Features Cogswell's unique two piece plate sidelock action. Two triggers and a bolted safe. An excellent choice for anybody considering taking on the world's most dangerous game. An excellent caliber and reliable package from one of the most well known English makers.

Stock number 24925
Calibre .475 Straight
Action Sidelock
Barrel length 25"
Rib Quarter
Triggers Two
Safe Bolted
Ejectors No
Sights 1 + 2
Telescope No
Stock Pistol Grip
Stock length 14 1/2"
Weight 11 lbs 4 oz
Case No

Price is $22,500. I'm not loooking to buy it, but just for discussion's sake, how is this gun priced in your opinion?

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DUGABOY1
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Re: Overpriced or Underpriced? You make the call [Re: Spring]
#27914 - 18/03/05 05:14 AM

From the pictures, and owner's discription, I'd say the rifle is in absolutely perfect shape! That is the rub, however! A rifle that has had that much restoration is a rifle that needs first hand inspection, and shooting to make sure the work that was done has NOT done damage, while makeing it look good!

The chambering is a handload, case forming, sittuation, but that isn't bad in this case! IMO, all double rifles are handload sittuations, but the componants are readily available for this one! The brass can be made by simply running 450 3 1/4" brass into the loading dies, and trim. Factory loads developed over 5000 lbs of energy at muzzle, so is a true DGR with the factory weight of 480 gr Woodliegh softs and solids. This cartridge was from the 1905-1910 period, so the rifle should be turn of the last century, or later, a good period for doubles! C&G is not my favorite maker, but this example seems top of the line, for them. If it had the fitted case, and some accessories, along with some provanonce, the price would be more in line. I think this rifle would be properly priced in the $14-$16K range, if everything checks out, but I would not pay $22.5K , unless I could connect it to someone famous!

MY OPINION ONLY!

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Edited by DUGABOY1 (19/03/05 09:46 AM)

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4seventy
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Re: Overpriced or Underpriced? You make the call [Re: DUGABOY1]
#27920 - 18/03/05 08:31 AM

In reply to:

The brass can be made by simply running 500 3 1/4" brass into the loading dies, and trim.

Shouldn't that be 450 3 1/4" brass?

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JudgeG
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Re: Overpriced or Underpriced? You make the call [Re: 4seventy]
#27925 - 18/03/05 09:35 AM

I got plenty of brass from Midway... properly headstamped, etc. As a matter of fact, they have a couple of boxes available now:

.475 brass

My Coggie (albeit a box lock) in the same caliber is now for sale for $9.5K with 80 rounds, 250 bullets, dies, makes case, etc., btw.

As to the question asked... I'd think it is overpriced by a bunch. Mac's estimate may even be generous.. not because of the quality of the gun, but just the fact that C&H rifles sell for less than most all English guns.

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Re: Overpriced or Underpriced? You make the call [Re: Spring]
#27927 - 18/03/05 09:39 AM

C&H turned out a lot of so-so rifles, detracting from the value of the nice rifles they turned out. However, this rifle will probably sell for the asking price, although I would not pay that much for it.

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DUGABOY1
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Re: Overpriced or Underpriced? You make the call [Re: 4seventy]
#27979 - 19/03/05 09:43 AM

In reply to:

Shouldn't that be 450 3 1/4" brass?

Correction

You are absolutely correct, Allen! The 475 #2 is made on the 500 case,with a thick rim, while the streight case 475 is, indeed made on the 450 base case! That makes it even easier, the 475#2 brass is not only expensive, but hard to come by as well!

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Re: Overpriced or Underpriced? You make the call [Re: JudgeG]
#27984 - 19/03/05 11:56 AM

Judge G

What's the LOP on that 475 #2?

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Re: Overpriced or Underpriced? You make the call [Re: JudgeG]
#28021 - 20/03/05 05:31 AM

Posted by JudgeG:

In reply to:

My Coggie (albeit a box lock) in the same caliber is now for sale for $9.5K with 80 rounds, 250 bullets, dies, makes case, etc., btw.

Gentlemen, I have handled the Judge's 475#2 Coggie, and it is a very solid working box lock! It fits me well, so I'd say the pull is probably 14-14.5" . The rifle ballances well, is tight, and points well. The bores are clean, and sharp. This would be a real hunting rifle for sure!

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Re: Overpriced or Underpriced? You make the call [Re: Spring]
#29151 - 08/04/05 11:10 PM

Cogswell wanted to be different and they built their guns in their own way. That is where the problem lies. The internal working of their actions can be very problematic and require more maintenance that other British rifles. I personally would not buy a C&H but that is my opinion. To each his own.

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Re: Overpriced or Underpriced? You make the call [Re: nitro476]
#29205 - 09/04/05 02:41 PM

As I cannot possibly afford one, the point, for me, is moot!

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