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EricD
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Sudan pictures.
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Re: Sudan pictures. [Re: EricD]
      #27371 - 07/03/05 12:38 AM

...some great pictures...thanks for posting...been to egypt a few times, but seems as if the sudan/nubia is really the place to explore (avoiding darfur at the moment, of course)...

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Re: Sudan pictures. [Re: EricD]
      #27376 - 07/03/05 02:38 AM

Erik

I enjoy your photographs ver much. Prior to visiting Egypt in 1989 I did a part-time archaeology course. Very interesting, and then to visit the actual sites. Sudan also looks interesting and also much more tourist free, except maybe for crazy Germans in inflatables . Those Royal pyramids are so wel preserved too. The deserts are breathtaking too.

My wife asked how your blonde fair skinned wife didn't get sun-burned?





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Re: Sudan pictures. [Re: EricD]
      #27380 - 07/03/05 04:29 AM

ErikD,

Great adventure..........great photos!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Sudan pictures. [Re: ovis]
      #27392 - 07/03/05 07:18 AM

Fantastic pictures Eric and interesting commentary.

That trip must have been unbelieveable, what an experience!!!

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Re: Sudan pictures. [Re: EricD]
      #27402 - 07/03/05 08:34 AM

Eric,

Were you able to take firearms with you on your trip? If so, how much of a hassle was it to get across borders?

I've spent quite a bit of time working in Central Asia (manly Tajikistan and Mongolia) and am aware of how views on firearms vary. In Mongolia we drove into the centre of the capital city on the day of the second ever free election with a 22 and a 16ga in full view between the front seats with no one raising an eyebrow, whereas in Taj, the police stop you and search your vehicle for weapons at least two or three times a day.

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Re: Sudan pictures. [Re: EricD]
      #27428 - 07/03/05 04:16 PM

In reply to:

It will at least help her to avoid some of the unwanted attention...




So you didn't have any problems in Sudan or Chad (etc) yourself?

I was told men are often hassled as well in Sudan.



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Re: Sudan pictures. [Re: EricD]
      #27436 - 07/03/05 05:21 PM

Erik,

I know what you mean, when I was working in Tajikistan one of my female colleagues was attacked, robbed and raped in her second floor apartment with the assailant getting through a tiny bathroom window on the second floor. Most westerners (and there were only a hundred or so outside the embassies) lived in houses with guards - not that you could trust the guards to do anything.

I lived in an apartment with two steel doors and bars every where and when I carried a folding knife and high powered torch with me everywhere. When I entered my apartment I checked every room with the torch before locking the door, similarly the stairwell on the way out and I always sat in the back seat behind the driver in taxis and always carried over $US400 so that if I did get robbed, they'd be happy with what they got and would be less likely to take the risk of kidnapping me.

The strange thing is, even though we don't even have lock on the front door at the farm, you get used to living like this quite quickly.

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      #180390 - 01/05/11 02:49 AM

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Re: Sudan pictures. [Re: NitroX]
      #180394 - 01/05/11 05:31 AM

Geez! Thanks, John, for bringing this back to the top for those of us who weren't here in '05! They are really captivating photos, and interesting / frightening tales to go with them. Thanks for sharing these, Erik. You are a heck of an adventurer.

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      #180395 - 01/05/11 05:40 AM


Thanks for sharing Erik.

I would love one day to come to Khartoum one day and witness the areas where Winston Churchill were fighting the devishers. They used btw. They .303 DumDum bullets in the riverwars.

I am sure some emty cases can still be found. I would love to play archaeologist in these places:LOL

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      #180416 - 01/05/11 03:47 PM

I like re-reading some of the old threads which still have photos etc, so just sometimes reshare them. I found this one again while looking for something else.

Erik sent me a CD of his entire old website with the entire trip and photos and I was supposed to see if I can load it up. When I relocate the disk, it is an ambition of mine. Think it may take a bit of time to do.

Erik is last of the "gentlemen adventurers".

(if you know how that term is used, I don't think he engaged in piracy or ivory poaching though . )

And AC is a great girl to have "safari'd" as well for a year in the African bush, and urban environments.)

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Re: Sudan pictures. [Re: NitroX]
      #180427 - 01/05/11 05:12 PM

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Erik is last of the "gentlemen adventurers".

(if you know how that term is used, I don't think he engaged in piracy or ivory poaching though . )

And AC is a great girl to have "safari'd" as well for a year in the African bush, and urban environments.)




I was about to say that I am not so sure about the "gentleman" part. In any use of the term.

As for AC, there certainly are not a many women out there who would be willing and able to go through a lot of the things we did, or live in the conditions we did, during that year thru the African continent. Not all of them peaceful. Just like me, she misses the adventure too. She's admitted to being quite jealous since I've been back to both Zim and Burkina Faso later for hunting.


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Re: Sudan pictures. [Re: EricD]
      #180430 - 01/05/11 05:28 PM

FWIW there's a different historical narrative on Gordon and Kitchener. In short Gordon was captured and offered as hostage a means of seeing the Poms depart. The Poms left him out to dry and as we all know "history is written by those who control the story".

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Re: Sudan pictures. [Re: EricD]
      #180434 - 01/05/11 07:14 PM

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Meroe "Royal" pyramids. These "Royal" pyramids were a bit fancier than the "Nobels" pyramids. They were actually perfectly intact until a German scientist decided to blow some of them up to find treasure while Sudan was under English rule:

Erik




ecxuse me please but you have to made your homework better:

Giuseppe Ferlini (1800–1870), of Bologna, Italy, was an Italian doctor turned explorer and archaeologist who destroyed over 40 pyramids in a quest for treasure in the 1820s in Egypt and Sudan. He served as surgeon the Egyptian army, occupying Sudan. While the army stayed at Khartoum and Sennar, he went in 1834 to Meroë and destroyed many pyramids there and in Wad ban Naqa while searching for treasures. He found only one cache of gold. He tried to sell it to several European museums, but at this time nobody believed that such high quality jewellery could be made in Black Africa. His finds were finally sold, and remain at the museums in Munich and Berlin.

The Sudanese do not fondly remember this infamous rogue archaeologist. According to "Dark Star Safari" by Paul Theroux, Ferlini dynamited the tops of many of the Meroë pyramids, marring the formerly pristine relics and making off with the artifacts. Of particular note was the leveling of Pyramid N 6 of the kandake Amanishakheto.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Ferlini

was long time before the british came into the sudan btw

in this time nobody in the sudan was thinking that this was a problem. ferlini destroy only a few of the pyramids and he was succesful and found a gold treasure.
because of the pistols in his hand he was able to escape with his treasure. the locals around try to to find more gold and they may have destroy to most of the pyramids in the years after.

the first german scientist coming to meroe was Lepsius, the father of the modern scientific discipline of Egyptology:
In 1842 Lepsius was commissioned (at the recommendation of Alexander von Humboldt and Christian Charles Josias Bunsen) by King Frederich Wilhelm IV of Prussia to lead an expedition to Egypt and the Sudan to explore and record the remains of the ancient Egyptian civilization. The Prussian expedition was modeled after the earlier Napoléonic mission, and consisted of surveyors, draftsmen, and other specialists.

The chief result of this expedition was the publication of the Denkmäler aus Aegypten und Aethiopien (Monuments from Egypt and Ethiopia), a massive twelve volume compendia of nearly 900 plates of ancient Egyptian inscriptions, as well as accompanying commentary and descriptions. These plans, maps, and drawings of temple and tomb walls remained the chief source of information for Western scholars well into the 20th century, and are useful even today as they are often the sole record of monuments that have since been destroyed or reburied.

Lepsius published widely in the field of Egyptology, and is considered the father of the modern scientific discipline of Egyptology, assuming a role that Champollion might have achieved had he not died so young. Much of his work is fundamental to the field.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepsius

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Re: Sudan pictures. [Re: EricD]
      #180437 - 01/05/11 07:52 PM

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Quote:



Erik is last of the "gentlemen adventurers".

(if you know how that term is used, I don't think he engaged in piracy or ivory poaching though . )

And AC is a great girl to have "safari'd" as well for a year in the African bush, and urban environments.)




I was about to say that I am not so sure about the "gentleman" part. In any use of the term.





Erik

The term "gentleman adverturer" was a term for pirates, probably those with manners and graces, at least before they robbed and killed their victims at least. It was also used for the ivory hunters (poachers) of the Lado Enclave.

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Re: Sudan pictures. [Re: lancaster]
      #180460 - 02/05/11 02:16 AM

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ecxuse me please but you have to made your homework better:





Lancaster, thank you for correcting me. What I wrote back then was in fact what we were told by the local Sudanese. In retrospect, it is not unlikely that some of them would have a hard time differentiating between Germans and Italians. Or any other Europeans for that sake.


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