Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact
NitroExpress.com: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power

View recent messages : 24 hours | 48 hours | 7 days | 14 days | 30 days | 60 days | More Smilies


*** Enjoy NitroExpress.com? Participate and join in. ***

Shooting & Reloading - Mausers, Big Bores and others >> Handguns

Pages: 1
Ripp
.577 member


Reged: 19/02/07
Posts: 16072
Loc: Montana, USA
80 Years of the Belgian High Power
      #271133 - 29/09/15 11:09 PM

http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles...m_campaign=0915


Chocolate, lace and guns,” are the items people most associate with Belgium. At one time, Belgium was a major economic manufacturing and export country, but long gone are the days in which Belgian Cockerill steam locomotives powered trains all over the globe, or when Dutch bridge builders used Belgian steel, when Belgian textiles were second to none and when Belgian rugs adorned palaces worldwide.

It is with such expansionist business principles that Fabrique Nationale (FN) was created in 1889, and the mentality to capitalize on business and the quality of its materials and craftsmanship remained strong from the Industrial Revolution through the 1960s. It is with that mindset that FN embarked upon the long process of creating the High Power pistol.

Development started in the 1920s with a French government request for a new military pistol. John Browning’s protégé at FN, Dieudonné Saive, was put in charge of the project, and he modified a Model 1903 pistol to accept a double-stack magazine. The model was sent to John Browning, who developed two prototypes from 1921 to 1922. Those two prototypes represent the entirety of Browning’s involvement in the project.

The French trials dragged on for years with frequent changes in requirements. In 1928, FN concluded that the company had already invested too many resources in dealing with the French, and so decided to take the pistol to market. The new military pistol was christened the Grand Rendement (High Efficiency).

The stock market crash of 1929 put an immediate halt to the release of the Baby Browning and High Efficiency models. While the French trials continued, FN demonstrated the pistol to the Belgian military in 1931. The Belgian government was impressed and ordered 1,000 pistols for field trials.

Pre-production started, and FN made about 1,100 pistols that were used for the Belgian trials and marketing. Once the field trials were announced, FN already had the sales pitch it needed; Belgian military equipment had an impeccable reputation for quality.

Pistols were demonstrated worldwide, and some nations still make reference to the model under various names such as Pistola Gran Rendimiento modelo 1933 or 1934. The dates refer to the year the pistol was first evaluated. Decades later, unaware of the early High Efficiency nomenclature, collectors gave these pistols the incorrect designation of “Oval Port High Power.”

The 1933 Belgian field trials were utilized to consolidate options, features and accessories. All trial pistols were supplied with tangent sights, and most were slotted to accept shoulder stocks. The only significant design recommendation was a change to the ejection port from an ovalular to a rectangular shape. It has been speculated that there may have been issues with ejection.

Fabrique Nationale supplied several different shoulder stock options, and the Belgian military adopted the slotted frame with a wooden, flat-board shoulder stock without an attached holster. A separate combination holster—housing the pistol and shoulder stock—was accepted instead. Belgium was the only nation to adopt the flat, wooden-board stock without attached holster. Other nations opted for the standard FN offering, which was the stock with attached holster.

The ejection port changes were implemented, and FN started production after receiving an order for 10,000 pistols, the first of which were completed in March 1935. For marketing reasons, the model was renamed Grande Puissance (High Power), often called G.P. or Model of 1935, after the Belgian military designations. Renaming the model was important, as FN wanted to capitalize on the improved design adopted by the Belgian government.

An interesting side note, from the onset of the trials through 1938, the Belgian military also ordered fully functional training pistols. These were factory marked “Pistolet de Manipulation” (Handling Pistol) and painted red over a phosphate base. Less than 140 High Efficiency and High Power training pistols were ordered. These were used in classrooms and were not intended for firing. The applied red paint was not oil-resistant and dissolved when exposed to gun oil.


Pre-war tangent sights with metric gradations included the standard configuration (l.) for pistols shipped with a shoulder stock and the sights as made for guns not supplied with shoulder stocks (r.).
Supplying the Belgian troops and non-commissioned officers was the top priority, and they were issued the slotted tangent High Power with flat-board stock, combination holster and a double magazine pouch. Existing FN Model 1900, 1910 and Colt Model 1903 pistols were then gradually phased out.

Commissioned officers had to wait, as they were allowed to wear a sidearm only on maneuvers or in times of war. The first significant replacements for commissioned officers were supplied in 1939, and they were issued the High Power without shoulder stock or combination holster. The pistols were slotted, and incorporated a change in gradation of the sights.

Since 1936, FN made two variants of its 500-meter tangent sights: The original variant for use with the shoulder stock, and a second variant for use without it. The effectiveness of these sights can be debated, but they are, nonetheless, distinguishing features as they reveal if a pistol was factory-issued with a shoulder stock or not.

Fabrique Nationale supplied the Belgian military annually with High Powers. In fact, FN was producing such a contract when Germany invaded in May 1940. The Germans seized pistols on the factory floor, in warehouses and in military arsenals. Belgium’s 18-day struggle to resist the Germans ended with the unconditional surrender of King Leopold III on May 28, 1940. The king’s surrender was considered an act of treason. The Belgian army laid its arms down, and thousands of High Powers were surrendered.

The quality of Belgian armament was highly revered by the Germans. Pistols were reissued almost immediately, including captured training pistols, and they were used in every subsequent German offensive. In fact, almost all of the pre-war Belgian contract pistols encountered in the United States were brought back by servicemen at war’s end.

Fabrique Nationale was sequestered during the occupation and made thousands of FN Model 1922 and High Power pistols for the German military. As the years went by, resistance activity grew, and many pistols were smuggled out of the factory.

Material shortages and the rapid Allied advance brought an end to production at FN in August 1944. The last of the Germans and their collaborators departed the factory on Sept. 5, 1944, just days before liberation. Filled with uncertainty and fearing that the Germans would return, FN workers restarted production with hopes of supplying free Belgian forces and resistance fighters. Those pistols did not go to Belgian forces as anticipated, but instead were sold as souvenirs to hundreds of visiting Allied servicemen.


Models made for the Belgian Congo (l.) had crests added at the factory for Force Publique (“F.P.”)and Congo Belge (“C.B.”).
The Belgian government was in shambles after liberation, and the first High Power contract to re-arm the military came in late 1945. Those guns were assembled from wartime parts and identified by a military acceptance marking and an “A” serial number prefix. This factory-applied prefix refers to “Allemand” (German) to indicate wartime parts that were not manufactured to FN’s standards. Following the war, the Belgian military abandoned tangent sights and shoulder stocks and settled for pistols with fixed sights.

Belgian military pistols supplied between 1946 and 1950 were factory marked with an “AB” prefix and “BL” serial number suffix; the abbreviations stand for “Belgian Army” in both French and Dutch (Armée Belge and Belgisch Leger). The slides were not engraved with a royal crest.

During those years, the country was ruled by Prince Charles, who acted as regent. Due to his wartime betrayal, Leopold III was living in exile. He was reinstated as king in 1951, but violent protests broke out and he abdicated less than a year later. These events are reflected on High Power pistols produced during that time frame. Belgium was expanding its armament due to the Korean War, and Belgian military High Powers manufactured in 1951 bear a stylized crest of King Leopold III, while those from post-1951 bear a stylized crest of his son and successor, King Baudouin.


Pre-War Combination pistol, holster and shoulder stock
Although some Belgian officers carried the High Power in Korea, most carried wartime surplus Colt M1911A1 pistols. The Belgians heavily relied on the United States for supplies, including ammunition.

While the Belgian military had adopted the High Power in 1935, it was not utilized in the Belgian Congo until 1950. The Ministry of Colonies purchased its own equipment and was not dependent on the Belgian army. During the war, the Belgian Congo refused Leopold’s surrender and fought along with the Allies in Africa. Depleted of arms after the war, it set a precedence of re-arming before the motherland, but initially maintained pre-war preferences. The FN Model 1910 remained in service through the 1940s.

The Congolese High Power pistols were finished in a durable black paint over a phosphate base coat. Barrels have a phosphate finish, in contrast with the typical Belgian military pistols which were rust blued with barrels in-the-white. All Congolese arms were property marked, as theft was always an issue. Officers of the Force Publique (Public Force: military and law enforcement) were issued pistols with the Belgian rampant lion over “F.P.,” while administrators and others were issued pistols marked with the rampant lion under “C.B” (Congo Belge).


This relic from combat in 1940 is a High Power magazine pouch that stopped a German bullet, which destroyed both magazines.
Some minor issues and variances exist. The Belgian Congo pistols found today in the United States most often originate from the 1964 Dragon Rouge and Dragon Noir operations where the U.S. Air Force transported Belgian paratroopers to fight the communist-backed Simba rebels. Tons of arms and ammunition were loaded back onto C-130 aircraft in order to deny them to the rebels. Some Air Force personnel retained souvenirs, which are now prized collectibles.

Service life of the High Power in the Belgian military has been exceedingly long. Arsenals at Liège and Rocourt reworked pistols through the decades. Older pistols were often upgraded after FN introduced the external extractor and Mk. II/Mk. III variants with bilateral features. The most noticeable reworks are the guns refinished with gray paint. The color has led to the incorrect speculation that this is Teflon paint for the Belgian navy. In fact, the paint was used extensively on all refurbished equipment and for all branches of the military, even Congolese guns shipped to Belgium for overhaul.

Amidst the gray-painted High Power pistols are 1,100 Inglis pistols shipped by Canada as part of a “Lend-Lease” package. These guns are early wartime production and were not converted to Inglis’ Mk. II modifications. They are therefore unreliable in feeding and extracting. The Inglis pistols were some of the first to be overhauled, reworked, painted gray and matched to two specific magazines. The problems with the Inglis pistols launched the practice of numbering pistol magazines. While the Inglis pistols were sold as surplus years later, the magazine numbering practice continued, although it no longer served a purpose.

These days, the High Power is still in service in Belgium, together with the FN Five-seveN pistol. The year 2015 marks 80 years of continuous service in Belgium, the longest of any handgun model.

For additional information on High Power pistols, see FN Browning Pistols, Side-Arms That Shaped World History, wetdogpublications.com.

--------------------
ALL MEN DIE, BUT FEW MEN TRULY LIVE..


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Checkman
.333 member


Reged: 15/03/08
Posts: 256
Loc: Idaho
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: Ripp]
      #271145 - 30/09/15 05:00 AM

That's a good article and the pictures were also excellent. Couple of weeks ago I confiscated a really sweet High-Power with adjustable sights manufactured in the 1950's in Belgium. Though not listed as stolen I identified the owner and was able to return it. The suspect was the owner's grandson and his grandson is a drug addict. He had only had it for a couple days. Grandpa didn't want to file a criminal complaint, but he was happy to get it back. Didn't know it was gone. He had purchased it brand-new in 1958. I jokingly asked him if it was for sale and he jokingly said check with me after I die.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Ripp
.577 member


Reged: 19/02/07
Posts: 16072
Loc: Montana, USA
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: Checkman]
      #271147 - 30/09/15 05:20 AM

Quote:

That's a good article and the pictures were also excellent. Couple of weeks ago I confiscated a really sweet High-Power with adjustable sights manufactured in the 1950's in Belgium. Though not listed as stolen I identified the owner and was able to return it. The suspect was the owner's grandson and his grandson is a drug addict. He had only had it for a couple days. Grandpa didn't want to file a criminal complaint, but he was happy to get it back. Didn't know it was gone. He had purchased it brand-new in 1958. I jokingly asked him if it was for sale and he jokingly said check with me after I die.




Ive looked at these off and on through the years but have never purchased one..as you stated, found the article interesting ..

Ripp

--------------------
ALL MEN DIE, BUT FEW MEN TRULY LIVE..


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
TonyD227
.300 member


Reged: 09/07/15
Posts: 105
Loc: NSW Australia
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: Ripp]
      #271325 - 04/10/15 05:44 PM

Thanks for the article. I love the slightly optimistic sight settings on the shoulder stock version. 500m I'm struggling to hit at 50m

I carried one of these on and off for 16 years as an Armoured Corps officer in the Aussie army.

Never had to use it in anger but I would have been confident that if a had to pull the trigger it would have gone bang. You couldn't stop those things with a sledge hammer. We carried them in shoulder holsters and climbing in and out of Tanks, APC's and ASLAV's certainly knocked them about.

I still get to fire them (the MkIII) from time to time with the Reserves (National Guard for our American cousins) and I do enjoy it.

I am in the process of getting my civi pistol licence, yes 16 years carrying a pistol and I need to undertake a safety and handling course? Who knows I may not be able to resist the call of the past and might just buy one

--------------------
When to much recoil is just not enough.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Homer
.416 member


Reged: 07/04/09
Posts: 3081
Loc: Canberra, Australia
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: TonyD227]
      #271401 - 05/10/15 05:55 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Ripp, thank you for sharing the article on the P-35!

As a good hunting mate (and Belgian), of mine has informed me, "We also make some great Beer"!

Doh!
Homer

--------------------
"Beware the Lolly Pop of Mediocrity,
Lick it Once and You Will Suck Forever"


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Don
.275 member


Reged: 01/12/08
Posts: 67
Loc: California
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: Homer]
      #271414 - 05/10/15 11:16 PM

Question, are you allowed to even own handguns in Australia? If so how difficult is it to get permit. Notice I am talking about ownership not carry.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
xausa
.400 member


Reged: 07/03/07
Posts: 2037
Loc: Tennessee, USA
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: TonyD227]
      #271439 - 06/10/15 08:43 PM

Quote:

I still get to fire them (the MkIII) from time to time with the Reserves (National Guard for our American cousins) and I do enjoy it.




Actually, we American cousins have both Reserves and National Guard. Reserves are directly under the command of the federal government, and National Guard (despite the name) are controlled by the governments of the individual states, unless nationalized (usually in time of war).


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Homer
.416 member


Reged: 07/04/09
Posts: 3081
Loc: Canberra, Australia
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: Don]
      #271441 - 06/10/15 10:53 PM

Quote:

Question, are you allowed to even own handguns in Australia? If so how difficult is it to get permit. Notice I am talking about ownership not carry.




G'Day Fella's,

Yes Don we are but for how long, is the big question!
In 2003 (?) the slimy little Political Animal we had for prime minister at the time, changed the laws.
This meant that most shooters could only own handguns;
No larger than .38 calibre!
With a Pistol barrel no shorter than 120mm or a Revolver barrel of 100mm!
and
With a magazine capacity of no more than Ten cartridges!

Also, it is a major undertaking (6 + months), to gain qualification to get to the stage of obtaining just a Handgun License!
Fortunately in the last five+ years, there has been a massive amount of interest from Law Abiding People taking up shooting, including Handgun shooting!
Of course, this sport can be wiped out with the stroke of a pen, by some other slimy political animal, that prefers the company of the UN, more than they do their own people. Then only the Government and the Criminals, will have firearms!!!

Doh!
Homer

--------------------
"Beware the Lolly Pop of Mediocrity,
Lick it Once and You Will Suck Forever"


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Ripp
.577 member


Reged: 19/02/07
Posts: 16072
Loc: Montana, USA
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: Homer]
      #271473 - 07/10/15 04:05 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Question, are you allowed to even own handguns in Australia? If so how difficult is it to get permit. Notice I am talking about ownership not carry.




G'Day Fella's,

Yes Don we are but for how long, is the big question!
In 2003 (?) the slimy little Political Animal we had for prime minister at the time, changed the laws.
This meant that most shooters could only own handguns;
No larger than .38 calibre!
With a Pistol barrel no shorter than 120mm or a Revolver barrel of 100mm!
and
With a magazine capacity of no more than Ten cartridges!

Also, it is a major undertaking (6 + months), to gain qualification to get to the stage of obtaining just a Handgun License!
Fortunately in the last five+ years, there has been a massive amount of interest from Law Abiding People taking up shooting, including Handgun shooting!
Of course, this sport can be wiped out with the stroke of a pen, by some other slimy political animal, that prefers the company of the UN, more than they do their own people. Then only the Government and the Criminals, will have firearms!!!

Doh!
Homer




Homer,

Will start this question with you if you don't mind..actually I will take this to a new post and see who all chimes in from Australia. Really interested in hearing it all from credible sources versus the media. When the gun confiscation or buy back occurred in Australia..what really did happen to crime such as robbery, rape, etc?

I read info all the time on the net, but how much of that can you really believe anymore..

really want to hear the answers to this as Barry Obama used your country last week as an example of how great of a thing it was..while I know he is full of sh*t..still want to hear the real story..

thank you for your time

Ripp

--------------------
ALL MEN DIE, BUT FEW MEN TRULY LIVE..


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Homer
.416 member


Reged: 07/04/09
Posts: 3081
Loc: Canberra, Australia
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: Ripp]
      #271476 - 07/10/15 05:19 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Ripp, to be perfectly honest, where I live, there has been an increase in violent crime of all types!
In shit holes like Sydney etc, the violent crime using firearms has increased dramatically!!!
From what I've heard in the media, most of this is with Handguns but regardless, Unlicensed Firearms in almost All Cases!
I think the most honest way to respond to any inquiry about the present situation in Australia is; "Australia is now the most violent and dangerous place, it has ever been"!

Ripp, earlier this year the Federal Senate here in Australia, finalised an enquiry into various aspects of (including Registered and Unregistered) firearms in Australia. Here is some of the information, that came from this enquiry;
"Senator Bridget McKenzie said the senate inquiry report found that only four hundredths of one per cent of all registered guns in Australia were stolen and only five per cent of those were used to commit a crime"!
So given this information, the vast majority of firearms that are NOW USED to commit crimes (a MASSIVE amount), are unregistered and in many if not all cases (given the gun laws that were put in place in 1996, after the Port Arthur massacre), are now considered "Prohibited Firearms" and because of this, the general public are not allowed to own them!
But the Criminals seem to have Little or No Problem obtaining them!!!

Now as for your illustrious leader, "Borat O'Bongo" (and the US media), it would appear he (they) are just a bunch of Blatant Liars! That is the most polite description I can think of for him (them)!!!

The way I put it to people that have know knowledge of firearms registration etc is;
If as a LAFO I want a new firearm, I will have to wait 28 Days of cooling off, before I'm authorised by the Police, to take possession of it!
If any Criminal wants Any Type of Unregistered Firearm, they only have to wait 28 Minutes!!!

Ripp, it would appear that this drive to disarm us all, is driven by "our" dumb politicians signing the UN convention on Civilian Disarmament!
So in reality, "our" politicians are just UN STOOGES and apparently, their happy being in their company!!!

Hope that helps

Regards
Homer

--------------------
"Beware the Lolly Pop of Mediocrity,
Lick it Once and You Will Suck Forever"


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
TonyD227
.300 member


Reged: 09/07/15
Posts: 105
Loc: NSW Australia
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: xausa]
      #271477 - 07/10/15 06:16 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I still get to fire them (the MkIII) from time to time with the Reserves (National Guard for our American cousins) and I do enjoy it.




Actually, we American cousins have both Reserves and National Guard. Reserves are directly under the command of the federal government, and National Guard (despite the name) are controlled by the governments of the individual states, unless nationalized (usually in time of war).




Xausa,

I stand corrected

I had a quick look on wikki and it said you have approx. 205,000. Pretty big compared to our poultry 17,000 approx. active reservists.

--------------------
When to much recoil is just not enough.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
TonyD227
.300 member


Reged: 09/07/15
Posts: 105
Loc: NSW Australia
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: TonyD227]
      #271479 - 07/10/15 06:20 PM

Ripp,

From the NSW Bureau of Crime statistics (Dec 2014).

Quarterly data from the bureau, released today, showed all categories of major crime had either remained stable or fallen in frequency for the second quarter in a row.

Those categories include murder, assault and theft.

The bureau found the offence of "shoot with intent other than to murder" was down by 35.7 per cent over the two years to September 2014.

The crime of unlawfully discharging a firearm dropped by 23.6 per cent over the same period.

Bureau director Don Weatherburn said ongoing media coverage of shooting offences was contributing to public perceptions of gun crime.

"There's no question that the number [of shooting offences] has gone down significantly but they're still in the news all the time," Dr Weatherburn said.

"It wouldn't matter if they dropped even further, they'd still be featuring in the news because they're highly newsworthy."

There was evidence that both law enforcement and social factors were helping to push crime rates down across the board, he said.

"We know, for example, that there's been a big increase in the likelihood of being caught for these offences and there's also been a big increase in the likelihood of going to jail if you're convicted," he said.

"We've got much lower rates of long-term unemployment among young people than we had 10 years ago.

--------------------
When to much recoil is just not enough.

Edited by TonyD227 (07/10/15 06:22 PM)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Ripp
.577 member


Reged: 19/02/07
Posts: 16072
Loc: Montana, USA
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: TonyD227]
      #271483 - 07/10/15 11:11 PM

All the information is what I suspected I would get. Its amazing, but then again not really, as to how much lying goes on with our politicians to push their agenda.

A number of 300 million firearms in the US ..don't see them ever getting even a small percentage of those not matter what they do..and IF they tried a confiscation of any kind, I predict there would be massive outrage and resistance to anything even remotely tied to it..especially in the mid and western states...along with a lot of the south..

Ripp

--------------------
ALL MEN DIE, BUT FEW MEN TRULY LIVE..


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Homer
.416 member


Reged: 07/04/09
Posts: 3081
Loc: Canberra, Australia
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: Ripp]
      #271495 - 08/10/15 10:17 AM

G'Day Fella's,

TonyD227, thank you for your detailed input into this issue!

No Probs Ripp, happy to help!

Regards
Homer

--------------------
"Beware the Lolly Pop of Mediocrity,
Lick it Once and You Will Suck Forever"


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Rule303
.450 member


Reged: 05/07/09
Posts: 5066
Loc: Woodford Qld
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: Homer]
      #271500 - 08/10/15 12:09 PM

Ripp as a side note, gun related fatalities have been dropping at a steady rate in Aust. since the early 1980's. Most of this can be attributed to better education of the shooting public in firearm and shooting safety. Of course this spiked in 1996.

Yes we have not had any more gun related mass murders but have had several other mass murders by different means. One that comes to mind was the use of fire at a back packers hostel in Gympie, Queensland.

Cheers

Greg


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
DarylS
.700 member


Reged: 10/08/05
Posts: 27017
Loc: Beautiful British Columbia, Ca...
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: Rule303]
      #271503 - 08/10/15 01:18 PM

Domestic & accidental firearm & knife (here - most used) violence is down in Canada as well while gang violence is up - which is OK, as long as there is no collateral damage. I really don't care if the assholes kill each other- the more the merrier.

--------------------
Daryl


"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
TonyD227
.300 member


Reged: 09/07/15
Posts: 105
Loc: NSW Australia
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: DarylS]
      #271511 - 08/10/15 06:04 PM

Personally I think politicians should be very careful about quoting the experiences of other nations.

Despite the obvious similarities we do come from very different historic perspectives when it comes to our national identities and culture.

What works for one will not for another. As was said good luck trying to remove firearms from the US as we did in Australia. Different gun culture and different perspectives and priorities.

I am not saying we or any other culture is right or better its just what works (or we will put up with) for one will not for another.

Daryl I couldn't agree more ref the gangs thinning one another out. Natural selection at its best.

My two cents.

Sorry for dragging your post off topic

--------------------
When to much recoil is just not enough.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Homer
.416 member


Reged: 07/04/09
Posts: 3081
Loc: Canberra, Australia
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: TonyD227]
      #271660 - 13/10/15 05:38 PM

G'Day Fella's,

TonyD227, I just had another read of the "NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics" for 2014!
If I'm reading these quotes correctly, they are only referring to Convictions?
And as we all know, actual Convictions has absolutely nothing to do with Actual Incidents on the street!!!
Given this, I'll stick to my prior belief that; "Australia is now the most violent and dangerous place, it has ever been"!


Doh!
Homer

--------------------
"Beware the Lolly Pop of Mediocrity,
Lick it Once and You Will Suck Forever"


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Ripp
.577 member


Reged: 19/02/07
Posts: 16072
Loc: Montana, USA
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: Homer]
      #271667 - 14/10/15 12:43 AM

Found it a bit ironic this article showed up in my inbox ..

http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles...m_campaign=1015

--------------------
ALL MEN DIE, BUT FEW MEN TRULY LIVE..


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Homer
.416 member


Reged: 07/04/09
Posts: 3081
Loc: Canberra, Australia
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: Ripp]
      #271679 - 14/10/15 10:58 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Ripp thank you for that but this report was not totally correct (but probably will be some time soon), in that;

Any Handgun of a calibre Larger than .38 cal (Western Action/(SASS), are excluded from this)
or
With a magazine capacity of More than 10
or
A barrel Shorter than 100mm (Revolver) or 120mm (Pistol) that was registered, had to be handed in and was subsequently destroyed.

So we still have access to .22, 9mm's and .38/.357 revolvers and pistols (and because of my authorisations, I can still have and use most things).

Also, Pump Action Rimfire and Centrefire Rifles, are at present still legal.

As you already know, the Criminals didn't hand any of their Unlicensed and Illegal firearms in, so these are still out on the street!
Also, we are told, that our borders protection authorities are so under maned and that our borders are so porous, that what now qualifies as Prohibited Guns (not to mention, Tons of Illicit Drugs and thousands of Refugees), are constantly supplying and or resupplying the criminals, with whatever they require!

Mate, I hope that helps clear a few things up for you.
Also and FYI, have a look at www.usedguns.com.au (kinda like "Gun Broker"),for an insight into what is on the Legal Market, here in Oz.

HooRoo for now
Homer

--------------------
"Beware the Lolly Pop of Mediocrity,
Lick it Once and You Will Suck Forever"


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Ripp
.577 member


Reged: 19/02/07
Posts: 16072
Loc: Montana, USA
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: Homer]
      #271697 - 15/10/15 12:26 AM

Saw this earlier today..posted it on its own thread on here as well..interesting and facts you wont hear on the liberal press ..

http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Articles/Harvard-University-Study-Reveals-Astonishing-Link.aspx?p=5

--------------------
ALL MEN DIE, BUT FEW MEN TRULY LIVE..


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Rule303
.450 member


Reged: 05/07/09
Posts: 5066
Loc: Woodford Qld
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: Ripp]
      #271734 - 15/10/15 09:58 PM

Good article Ripp, thanks for posting.

Just trying to figure out how to get my computer to save the article. It will save the link but the printed words will not open.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Ripp
.577 member


Reged: 19/02/07
Posts: 16072
Loc: Montana, USA
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: Rule303]
      #271738 - 16/10/15 12:25 AM

Quote:

Good article Ripp, thanks for posting.

Just trying to figure out how to get my computer to save the article. It will save the link but the printed words will not open.




It appears your computer has gone liberal...

Ripp

--------------------
ALL MEN DIE, BUT FEW MEN TRULY LIVE..


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Homer
.416 member


Reged: 07/04/09
Posts: 3081
Loc: Canberra, Australia
Re: 80 Years of the Belgian High Power [Re: Ripp]
      #271799 - 17/10/15 10:41 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Great article Ripp, and I have Shared and included it in as many Face Book and Shooting/Hunting forum threads as I could find.

Rule 303, I'd happily conduct Ballistic Tests on your PC if thats required???

Avagreatweekendeh!
Homer

--------------------
"Beware the Lolly Pop of Mediocrity,
Lick it Once and You Will Suck Forever"


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pages: 1



Extra information
0 registered and 24 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:  NitroX 

Print Topic

Forum Permissions
      You cannot start new topics
      You cannot reply to topics
      HTML is disabled
      UBBCode is enabled

Rating:
Topic views: 7395

Rate this topic

Jump to

Contact Us NitroExpress.com

Powered by UBB.threads™ 6.5.5


Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact


Copyright 2003 to 2011 - all rights reserved