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TH44
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10 bore H&H Paradox
#270675 - 19/09/15 05:10 AM

I bought this 10 bore Paradox a few years ago in quite poor condition and recently had it sympathetically (I hope!) restored

One of the rarest (2? made) but least desirable of the Paradoxes this 1886 version was probably set up as the original idea for a Paradox, equally used as a shotgun or lightweight rifle

It soon became clear that the primary advantage (and selling point) was as a lighter weight accurate rifle that could occasionally used as a shotgun, so the heavier guns/loads became more popular

The introduction of the heavy 12 bore Paradox with 4 1/2 dram powder load effectively made thes 10 bores obsolete, which resulted in the heavy 10 bore with 6, then 8 dram loads, a different beast altogether

This gun was probably built on a shotgun action by W&C Scott or Philip Webley, as were many of H&H guns/Rifles until 1892 and their new factory

The top lever action, 30 inch barrels (none made according to the Paradox book), straight stock and light(ish) weight of 8 lbs 10 oz made it a true combination gun, if not the best for large game

Hopefully for your pleasure

The only thing I do not like is the current fad of blacking the top lever

I had the engraving refreshed before blacking the barrels

There was almost no chequering left, the guy did well to get it this good

Also with the fore end. It has the Deeley and Edge lock, later the heavy rifles had the lever fore end

Bores are perfect

The rifling PRIOR to cleaning

Copy from H&H ledger 1886

Comments and opinions please

TH44

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bwanabobftw
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Re: 10 bore H&H Paradox [Re: TH44]
#270683 - 19/09/15 10:51 AM

nice gun !!!!! Have you fired it yet ?
Robert

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Re: 10 bore H&H Paradox [Re: TH44]
#270684 - 19/09/15 11:11 AM

Beautiful gun. Do you have the H&H Paradox tools?

Would be interesting to shoot.

Why did you not have the top lever CCH?

Thanks for sharing a rare gun. Look forward to a hunting report.

Cheers, Chris

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Re: 10 bore H&H Paradox [Re: Rockdoc]
#270708 - 19/09/15 06:54 PM

first 10 ga paradox I ever seen, great gun!

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Re: 10 bore H&H Paradox [Re: lancaster]
#270713 - 20/09/15 02:09 AM

Beautiful gun, thanks for sharing the pictures! I'd also be interested to know how she shoots? Out of interest is a gun like this classified as a shotgun or firearm in the UK?

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Re: 10 bore H&H Paradox [Re: Matabele]
#270717 - 20/09/15 02:27 AM

Yes - impressive indeed - v-nice.

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Re: 10 bore H&H Paradox [Re: DarylS]
#270736 - 20/09/15 07:27 PM

Nize catch!!.

Is this gun registred as a Obsolete firearm?. I presume with UK law it can not become a rifle on a FAC?...but it can be fired if registred as a blackpowder gun used on shootingrange only?. Regardless..its a very very Unique gun. Such gun of a firstyear production in that "ok" shooting condition is very rare...and even more rare as a 10bore.

Congratulations Sir. You have got JackPot!!.

Now go out in Sherwood and make the Kings deer very nervous..:LOL

Edited by rigbymauser (20/09/15 07:30 PM)

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Re: 10 bore H&H Paradox [Re: rigbymauser]
#270754 - 21/09/15 02:42 AM

Quote:

Nize catch!!.

Is this gun registred as a Obsolete firearm?. I presume with UK law it can not become a rifle on a FAC?...but it can be fired if registred as a blackpowder gun used on shootingrange only?. Regardless..its a very very Unique gun. Such gun of a firstyear production in that "ok" shooting condition is very rare...and even more rare as a 10bore.

Congratulations Sir. You have got JackPot!!.

Now go out in Sherwood and make the Kings deer very nervous..:LOL

NP - he's going to send it to me to work up loads for him and keep safely for his next moose hunting trip to BC - YUP.

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Re: 10 bore H&H Paradox [Re: DarylS]
#270763 - 21/09/15 04:39 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Nize catch!!.

Is this gun registred as a Obsolete firearm?. I presume with UK law it can not become a rifle on a FAC?...but it can be fired if registred as a blackpowder gun used on shootingrange only?. Regardless..its a very very Unique gun. Such gun of a firstyear production in that "ok" shooting condition is very rare...and even more rare as a 10bore.

Congratulations Sir. You have got JackPot!!.

Now go out in Sherwood and make the Kings deer very nervous..:LOL

NP - he's going to send it to me to work up loads for him and keep safely for his next moose hunting trip to BC - YUP.

I will write to the British govenment and ask them to pas a bill that all SxS guns with riflesights most be impounded. They can however be stored in the Queens warehouse to be sold for export.

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Re: 10 bore H&H Paradox [Re: rigbymauser]
#270913 - 24/09/15 08:19 AM

Very nice! There can't be many of those around these days. I think that Paradox guns are really interesting and I hope to own one myself some day. Thank you for the photos.

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TH44
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Re: 10 bore H&H Paradox [Re: Watson577]
#270949 - 25/09/15 03:36 AM

Thanks guys for the appreciative comments and advice

I have been working this week (what happened to relaxed retirement?) so apologise for not responding sooner

Robert, Matabele, Jens - It is an "Obsolete Calibre" antique which in the UK can be held (at the moment!) without any restrictions except that I do not hold ammunition for it

For shooting it would have to be on my Firearms Certificate as it is rifled, and there may be problems if I wanted to use it for hunting (your type not ours, one hunts with hounds here), due to its size (police do not understand that a 10 bore ball will be safer due to its lack of range

I 'work' for a registered Firearms Dealer and am authorised by the police to act as his 'servant'
If the gun was put on his books temporarily it could be shot on a range for 'testing'.
This may happen in the near future

Rocdoc - I gave it to the restorer for his advice/opinion without thinking about the top lever, he says it would have been originally blacked, so did that (my WR Cape Rifle posted here is similarly coloured), my only other top lever. I may in the future put it "in the White"

Daryl, you have the first refusal for any and all of my heavy guns/rifles for TEMPORARY export and shooting your mooses etc. Jens of course is welcome!!

Jens - do you still have your 10 bore rifle?

The thought of poaching the Queen's deer is very appealing, provide one is NOT CAUGHT!

I believe ASH has a heavy 10 bore Paradox (sorry Ash cannot find your PMs) much more powerful

Good shooting to all

Tony

Edited by TH44 (25/09/15 03:39 AM)

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rigbymauser
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Re: 10 bore H&H Paradox [Re: TH44]
#270957 - 25/09/15 06:17 AM

Meinen lieber Waffen genosse Tony..

Yes I have my 10bore Manton. Unlike other guns I simply grow more found as I really understand how Unique these borerifle is. First time I was visiting Holts I saw(and held) a 10bore H&H hammerless paradox inscribed:"regulated for 920grain ball to 52grain Finegrain pistolpowder".

I hope you get to shoot that darn thing..:LOL

Is there a hope for any British sportsman today if one wants to hunt big game abroad=to have big bore rifle registred for such??. What about have these guns registred as a blackpowder firearm?.

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Re: 10 bore H&H Paradox [Re: rigbymauser]
#271004 - 26/09/15 06:44 PM

Thanks for the explanation TH44, I hope you'll be able to put it through it's paces one way or the other. I know of someone in the UK who was able to get a firearms cert for his sharps 45-70 to use for foxing (!).

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