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hoppdoc
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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: Safarischorsch]
      #74848 - 28/03/07 07:41 PM

Heym will make a 500 A Square!!
Wonder what the cartridge capacity and weight would be??
I will PM New Guy---

http://www.heym-waffenfabrik.de/english/S_Buechs/S_MagBue/st_MagBu.html

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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: Safarischorsch]
      #266798 - 22/06/15 10:55 AM

An old post from 2007.

But let's stir it up anyway.

The best dangerous game bolt-action rifle is actually a double...


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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: Cazadero]
      #266800 - 22/06/15 11:02 AM

You mean like that double barreled, double bolt action'd .416 Rigby?

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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: DarylS]
      #266802 - 22/06/15 12:44 PM

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You mean like that double barreled, double bolt action'd .416 Rigby?




Good answer!

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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: Safarischorsch]
      #266803 - 22/06/15 01:49 PM

If money was no object and you want a real Classic, a Magnum Mauser 98 in 500 Jeffery made New by Mauser in Germany ,i dont think you could get any better than that, and not 30 or 40 Thousand Dollars like some overpriced ''Customs''

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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: Safarischorsch]
      #266813 - 22/06/15 03:12 PM

I'll offer a guess: the rifle which is the most reliable, the rifle you are most familiar with, and the rifle you shoot the best. Hopefully that is the same one.

Remember all the big game hunters of olden dayes who used .256 Mannlichers and .303 Lee Speeds? Shot placement and an intimate knowledge of the physiology of the animals they were hunting.

And plenty of other random skills of course.


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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: Old_Glass]
      #266814 - 22/06/15 03:49 PM

Which is why the easy shooting, but penetrating rounds of the 9.3x62 and .375H&H become so popular & making such terrific names for themselves - for hunting the big 5.

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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: DarylS]
      #266817 - 22/06/15 04:15 PM

Took a guy out recently that had a Heym bolt action in 416 Rigby and must say I was very impressed. Well made and a beautiful looking rifle. Selling a few of my other rifles off to try and get one.

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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: Claydog]
      #266823 - 22/06/15 06:00 PM

Something that is not too heavy and can be carried all day on a Mauser 98. A lot of DG rifles have a fair bit of heft to them. I'd give up weight and a little more recoil received for portability and being pointable any day. Anything from 9.3 to under .500 I'd class as a DG rifle, above .500 a stopper and then I'd use my double.

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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: BillG500]
      #266861 - 23/06/15 10:50 AM

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Something that is not too heavy and can be carried all day on a Mauser 98. A lot of DG rifles have a fair bit of heft to them. I'd give up weight and a little more recoil received for portability and being pointable any day. Anything from 9.3 to under .500 I'd class as a DG rifle, above .500 a stopper and then I'd use my double.




I love my 500 Jeffery but it weighs 12 lbs with scope, unloaded without sling. So I work out with barbells lol. We have a Remington XCR II in 375 Weatherby with a 24" barrel that weighs 7.25 lbs with scope without sling or ammo. Recoil is mild when shooting 375 H&H factory loads, a little snappy with 375 Weatherby loads (300g bullets at 2700 plus fps). I think the XCR II stock soaks up recoil because it kicks less than the 9 lb 375 H&H CZ 550 I owned. Now if someone could make a 375 H&H on a Mauser 98 in stainless/synthetic that weighs that much, with the same recoil characteristics, I'd buy one.

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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: chuck375]
      #266873 - 23/06/15 12:38 PM

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Something that is not too heavy and can be carried all day on a Mauser 98. A lot of DG rifles have a fair bit of heft to them. I'd give up weight and a little more recoil received for portability and being pointable any day. Anything from 9.3 to under .500 I'd class as a DG rifle, above .500 a stopper and then I'd use my double.




I love my 500 Jeffery but it weighs 12 lbs with scope, unloaded without sling. So I work out with barbells lol. We have a Remington XCR II in 375 Weatherby with a 24" barrel that weighs 7.25 lbs with scope without sling or ammo. Recoil is mild when shooting 375 H&H factory loads, a little snappy with 375 Weatherby loads (300g bullets at 2700 plus fps). I think the XCR II stock soaks up recoil because it kicks less than the 9 lb 375 H&H CZ 550 I owned. Now if someone could make a 375 H&H on a Mauser 98 in stainless/synthetic that weighs that much, with the same recoil characteristics, I'd buy one.




I can see that. I'm shooting a 338LM in a 12-13lb gun from the bench and it's not bad (efficient brake and/or suppressor). I'm pushing 300gr Bergers at 2850fps. The recoil is tolerable enough to get 1/4" groups at 100yds.

If I had the money I would get the Dakota Traveler in 338LM and 416R. I've seen a few used setups like this that sorely tempted me but luckily I didn't have the money to buy.


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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: Old_Glass]
      #266878 - 23/06/15 02:25 PM

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I'll offer a guess: the rifle which is the most reliable, the rifle you are most familiar with, and the rifle you shoot the best. Hopefully that is the same one.



I have to agree with Old Glass, and would add, "the rifle that fits you best".

The cumulative effects of too many injuries over the years made me set aside my big bores, but I recently learned that I can still handle a decent medium if it fits me. My 9.3 is a good example.

It is built on a 98 action, which pretty-much covers the "reliability" criteria, and the mechanical aspects of the "familiarity" criteria. The fit is such that I can comfortably run 100 rounds through it in an afternoon's plinking, building familiarity. I've not found a .375 H&H that fits me as well, but a friend has a .404 that is a near-twin to my 9.3. I can put 50 rounds through it in an afternoon (probably more, but we only had 50 rounds with us that day). Either would suit me far better for hunting dangerous game than a bigger bore that I couldn't handle as well.


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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: Jim_C]
      #266923 - 24/06/15 10:52 AM

50 rounds through a 404 Jeffery is probably past my tolerance. My humble admiration to you. These days I don't put more than 20 rounds down range from my 500 Jeffery in a session. I have other rifles I shoot more volume through. I practice offhand, kneeling and sitting with the 500 (I have taken a cow elk at 200 plus yards with it sitting). I don't shoot it from the bench unless I've taken the scope off (Talley QR rings) and then it's usually no more than a 1/4" off so three shots are all I need from the bench. Except from the bench, my shooting technique (or lack thereof) is the same with a 270 as a 375 or a 500 (except I don't shoot the 500 prone).

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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: chuck375]
      #266933 - 24/06/15 06:03 PM

If your doing a dangerous game hunt realistically how many shots will you fire ?[not 50] probably 5 at most ,and most of the time you wont feel the recoil anyway ,just because old time hunters used Mannlicher 6.5s and 303s didnt necessarily mean they were crack shots, and either had factory solids or softs[nothing like the choice we have now] ,and no scopes ,i bet plenty of dangerous game got wounded[that they never write about] with inadequate calibres ,because they had nothing else or couldnt afford the bigger guns or they were not available for what ever reason .What is wrong with a ''Stopper'' isnt that what you want on dangerous game ? since the Question was Best Dangerous game Bolt action Rifle .Trouble being shooters want to go to the range and expect to put 50 plus shots out of their big bore ,and then say it kicks too much ,when they are not made for that ,but specialised Hunting where you are not going to be firing anywhere near that.

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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: Old_Glass]
      #266940 - 24/06/15 11:05 PM

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I'll offer a guess: the rifle which is the most reliable, the rifle you are most familiar with, and the rifle you shoot the best. Hopefully that is the same one.




Quote: "Something that is not too heavy and can be carried all day on a Mauser 98. A lot of DG rifles have a fair bit of heft to them. I'd give up weight and a little more recoil received for portability and being pointable any day."

At the risk of boring everyone to tears, I will repeat my well worn story. In 1971, when the choice of really effective dangerous games rifles was at perhaps its lowest ebb in 75 years, I took a rifle with me to Africa, built around a cartridge I had developed myself, using a shortened .460 Weatherby case opened up to accept a 570 grain .505 bullet. Ballistically, it mimicked the .500 NE, propelling the bullet at 2150 fps.

The rifle was built on a P14 Enfield action with a Buhmiller barrel and stocked to my specifications by Reinhardt Fajan. It weighed 8 3/4 pounds and came up to my shoulder like a well designed shotgun. This was due, no doubt, to the fact that I used the stock measurements furnished me by Holland & Holland after a day's shooting at their London Shooting School with one of their try guns.

I used the same measurements on my Perazzi Skeet 1 12 gauge, which I used to shoot International Skeet. This is a sport which requires the shooter to call for the bird with the butt stock touching the hip bone, and not raise it until the bird is visible outside the trap house. Since there may be a pause a long as three seconds between the time the bird is called for and when it is actually released, the shooter must react to the bird, instead of vice-versa.

I used a primitive version of a "Lead Sled" to develop loads off the bench and sight in. After that, I seldom fired a full load, using reduced, cast bullet loads to practice with. I expended hundreds of the latter, simply walking around the farm and taking snap shots at targets of opportunity.

In Africa, I fired the rifle over the hood of the hunting car with a folded towel under my shirt to confirm my zero, and then fired shots only "in anger". Firing at an elephant, a rhino or a Cape buffalo I never noticed the recoil and was able to manipulate the bolt fast enough to get three shots into a running rhino and four into a running buffalo. In all, I took three elephants, five buffalo and a rhino with it, and it never let me down.

Here it is, with me and my first elephant:



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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: xausa]
      #266943 - 25/06/15 01:11 AM

Well done and presented.

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Re: Best dangerous game Bolt action rifle? [Re: DarylS]
      #267535 - 07/07/15 05:07 PM

The best dangerous game rifle is one that never lets you down, and with which you can hit what you want to hit.

Anything above that is fancy work and money spent on cosmetics.

Utter reliability can be obtained from a factory rifle "finished" and tweaked by someone who knows what he's doing, in just a few hours of work.

Perfect fit is more difficult to achieve, but can be done satisfactorily if the shooter knows what to look for in matters of fit.

The choice of caliber is VERY secondary, as there are no really ill-suited calibers (within reason, not advocating the .22 WMR here...) as long as the ammo is top notch and the shooter can handle them. Everyone makes a choice based on a number of personal considerations, including field experience over the years, ammo/bullets availability, and "cool" or "classic" factors.

There are many good actions/rifles out there, and a lot more that are NOT what to use to get absolute reliability. Searches on the Net will yield opinions and advices from hundreds of people, spanning decades. A good indicative trend can be drawn from these.

Now, for the "Big Names". I have personally seen rifles worth thousands of dollars with totally unacceptable failures in the field. Comes to mind a take-down Dakota in .375 with ever-so misaligned action and barrel, that would not allow the bolt to pull back if used normally! Extremely few "DG" rifle makers actually get their rifles tested in the field under Pro conditions, and many of them build rifles for the big bucks sales and the hype on all the "DG" features they can cram in, without checking the function of these in the real world.

I have also seen a number of lowly rifles based on CZ/Brno, Zastava, or surplus M98 actions that were flawless performers (and to refute an earlier post in this thread, CZ actions have been used by top gunmakers for years, including Rigby in their London days before the California Rigby debacle).

If you look at the working tools of true professionals who spend their lives in DG game country, and whose lives depend on their rifles, you'll find a lot of battered rifles with homemade (crudely, at times) features that are the real Mc Coy, because it's not there to impress, but it's there because it works. Phil Shoemaker's rifles come to mind. I don't know him personally, but his rifles make perfect sense - and are ugly as a boar's butt.

So, what is the perfect DG rifle? I doubt that you can buy it over the counter. It's something personal, and you'll know it's YOUR perfect rifle after having gained experience with it, and modded it or changed it according to what you learned in the field, AND what you learned from people who have been there and done that.

But it does not need to break the bank, it just needs careful consideration and sound choices.

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