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      #266320 - 12/06/15 04:18 AM

real 16 ga. and 8mm Drilling, SN 17109

http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5488834









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      #266762 - 21/06/15 03:11 PM

12 ga, stock was changed sometimes
http://www.gunstar.co.uk/wilh-collath-slide-action-12-bore-gauge-shotgun/Shotguns/738585











Wilh Collath Slide Action 12 Gauge

Extremely rare in the UK, Wilh Collath of (Söhne), Frankfurt in Germany.

One of leading makers of rifles, sporting guns and proprietary cartridges (Tesco Geschoss).

Collath succeeded Georg Teschner in the 1890s. The company traded until the end of the Second World War. Eccentric Lock action Collath.

This firearm was made between 1920-1939. It is completely original & in great condition. Was brought from Germany to Canada ( dont believe the gentleman pay for the gun) after WW2 & was then brought to N.Ireland in the 1980's.

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      #267096 - 28/06/15 10:01 PM

16 ga(?) double gun, SN 15130
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=491595817
















































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      #268149 - 17/07/15 11:21 PM

16 ga or maybe a No. 4 double gun, SN 7839
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5530665













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      #268257 - 20/07/15 07:14 PM

a early Teschner/ Frankfurt a.d. Oder .50 caliber muzzle loader DR probably made before he was starting his own version of a needle fire double gun


















http://archives.collectorsfirearms.com/?category=905&page=4&category=&product=al2684

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      #268546 - 26/07/15 04:27 PM

build as a combination gun with a rear set trigger for the right barrel than changed by "M. OGRIS FERLACH" into a 20 ga double gun and proofed there in 1937 this SN 4400 is without german proof so probably made before 1891/1893





http://www.dorotheum.com/auktionen/aukti...lach.html?img=1

single shot gun with straight rifling, 12,5mm - proably 32 ga.
proofed after 1893









http://www.dorotheum.com/auktionen/aukti...oder.html?img=2

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      #269795 - 30/08/15 07:06 PM

got some kind of a surprice bag and it contains





a french 11mm Chassepot needle fire cartridge and a belgian 11x53R Comblain with coiled case



think this is called "Bachmann" inside priming



two 14ga paper shells 70mm long what was new for me



a No. 4 Teschner-Collath and a 16 ga pinfire shell




and four, ähmm , things



this are paper cases with a base wad made by rolled paper and my first thought was "Dreyse Schlussspiegel" cartridge but the shot wad is not made by using rolled paper. it looks like some kind of textile with a base cast by using an unknown material so definite not Dreyse. The body of Dreyse paper cartridges is much thinner than the base wad of known "Randschlusspiegel" cartridges.




you can see that the Dreyse Cartridge have a strong step in diameter when the unknown cases here have more or less the same diameter of paper case and base wad.








it looks like there is a brass pin in the primer hole what make me think it can be only an early Teschner cartridge when he was trying to change his needle fire paper cartridge into something more gastight.
something that was modified with a metal base later into the Teschner-Collath shotgun cartridge.in fact a needle fire cartridge having the needle inside of its base.










in any case rare paper shotgun cases from the early 1860s never seen before

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      #271163 - 01/10/15 04:54 AM

W. Collath. Söhne Frankfurt a.O. Wittener Exelsior, C. 16:6,6x58 1/2
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5612220
SN 21381, M.S.W. Wetzlar 4x36 on claw mount





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      #271814 - 17/10/15 06:42 PM

Wilhelm Collath double gun in No.1 SN 10019

























http://www.naturabuy.fr/juxtapose-Willem-collath-item-2738033.html

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      #271944 - 22/10/15 06:23 AM

Drilling for 9,3x80R and No. 4 SN 14938
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5645647












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      #272493 - 01/11/15 03:04 PM

had it before but now with the SN, its 1550
W. Collath Söhne 6,5x52R (25-35) with "Tesco" engraved Gerard/Berlin 6x scope
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=519381468































and thats realy old: G. Teschner & Co Cal. 5 bore double gun SN 449 with grip safety

its proably made before 1880 when G. Teschner was dying because the name of the firm was than changed into "G. Teschner&Co., W-Collath"
the No. 5 chamber have a loose fit with 20 ga BP shotshells and they will split most times but its possible to fire this stuff.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=518924105





































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      #272901 - 09/11/15 12:57 AM


W.Collath, Patent W.Collath, kal. 16/c:a 11mm
SN 1980






Bockbüchsflinte 16ga over 8x57IR SN 19055
W. Collath & Söhne

http://www.walterborg.se/auktion/

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      #273553 - 19/11/15 12:09 AM

DR in 9,3x74R SN 21512 W.COLLATH.SÖHNE. FRANKFURT A.O.
http://www.bestguns.de/main.php?g2_itemId=3312
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      #273920 - 24/11/15 09:03 PM



http://www.altejagdwaffen.de/Jagdgeschichte.173.0.html




a No. 1 double gun SN 8929
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/60/lid/488















"This example has extensive engraving on the receiver and break lever. The left side of the receiver shows a dog pointing at a small gamebird that is taking flight, the right side is engraved with a fox, on the top tang is a bust of a roe deer and the remainder is engraved with oak leaf and acorns. The left side of the receiver is engraved "W. COLLATH" in a banner and the right side is engraved "FRANKFORT A.O." in a banner. The engraver's initials are on the right side between the foxes two back legs. The barrels have had permanent 20 gauge subgauge tubes installed, have a single brass bead sight on the solid rib, are choked .013/.020 and have 2 3/4 inch chambers with an extractor. The bottom flat of the barrels are stamped with a "1" in a circle for Collath's No. 1 horizontal pinfire cartridge which is equivalent to a 12 gauge. Has a safety switch on the top tang along with a brass inlaid initial oval. Mounted on a smooth walnut forearm and beautifully figured checkered walnut pistol grip stock with raised cheekpiece along with a horn trigger guard and buttplate. The underlever is also horn. Length of pull is 14 1/4 inches."

No . 3 double gun SN 16813
http://www.icollector.com/Four-European-...otgun_i18634494



Drilling in No. 1 or No. 4 (not clear to see but given as No. 1)and 9 1/4 x70 SN 10020

http://www.armslist.com/posts/3938025/ev...x-70--drilling-












the single shot gun in 12,5 mm or maybe 32 ga sold by the Dorotheum I had before have the SN 874
https://www.dorotheum.com/en/auctions/cu...age=1&img=0








top lever Drilling in 16 ga and 8x72R SN 17264
http://www.icollector.com/Fine-Early-German-Drilling-by-W-Collath-Sohne_i21575744












Drilling in 9,3x65R SN looks like 20034
https://www.gunsamerica.com/954722874/W-...otgun-Combo.htm























a cal. 1 double gun with "Krüppelschaft" SN 20559

http://www.medwed-hunt.ru/MedwedPosts.aspx?pid=161089&p=1
























16 ga double gun W. Collath, Söhne SN 19542
http://www.naturabuy.fr/Vends-ancien-fus...em-2828303.html













double gun in 16 ga(?) or better Cal. 4 SN 7713

http://www.medwed-hunt.ru/MedwedPosts.aspx?pid=198176









when there is anything alright with this pics it looks like original a double gun Cal. 1 SN 12517 now with Cal. 4 barrels SN 13513
http://guns.allzip.org/topic/112/370484.html
























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      #275432 - 21/12/15 02:55 PM

Drilling 16ga and 9,3x80R SN 19943
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/65/lid/1533






"The left side of the upper barrel is marked "WITTENER - EXCELSIOR", has an eagle "NITRO" proof and marked TESOO/LAUFVERSCHRAUBUNG" on both sides at the breech. The action is engraved with a wooded scene of two deer on the left side and two boars in a wooded scene on the right side. The upper edge of the right side is marked "FRANKFURT A.O." and "W. COLLATH, SOHNE" on the left side. The upper tang has a bucks head amid floral vine engraving. The underside of the action, lower tang and forearm hardware are engraved with the same floral vine design. There is a beaded blade front sight and two folding leaf rear sights on the matte solid rib. The upper 16 gauge barrel has a 2 1/2 inch chamber, choked full and has an extractor. The right side of the barrel lug is marked "C 16=9,3X80" and the left side is marked with the matching serial number. There is a sling swivel mounted on the bottom of the lower barrel. Horn break lever and trigger guard, double triggers with adjustable forward trigger, folding tang peep sight, and mounted with a multi-point checkered walnut forearm and round knob pistol grip stock with cheek piece, horn buttplate and sling swivel. Length of pull is 14 1/4 inches."

Drilling 16 ga 9,3x72R SN 19097
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20066/lot/3387/





" A 16 gauge/9.3x72mm Collath's Patent underlever combination gun
Serial no. 19097, 16 gauge/9.3x72mm. 25 1/4 inch blued over/under barrels; matte rib with open rear sight and quick release scope mounts; breech marked Wittner Excelsior/Nitro/Tesco/Laufverschraubung. Scroll-engraved action marked Collath Sohne/Frankfort, A.O. Double triggers. Horn triggerguard and underlever. Checkered walnut fore-end and pistolgrip stock. Horn buttplate."

Drilling 16 ga 8x57 IR SN 22765
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19795/lot/410/


" A 16-bore (2¾in) / .22 (L.R.) drilling by Wilh Collath Sohne, no. 22765
Lefaucheux-type horn rotary-underlever, matt top detonating, the scroll-backed action-body with game-scene engraving, the top-tang engraved en suite, front set-trigger (defective), horn trigger-guard and barrel-selector switch, manual rotary safety, figured stock with pistolgrip, horn pistolgrip-cap, cheek-piece and horn butt-plate, sling-swivels, the Krupp-Laufstahl barrels (the .22 barrel 'Parkerifled' by A.G. Parker from 8x57JRmm), engraved Wilh Collath-Sohne-Frankfurt A/Oder Prima Kruppstahl, with matt-rib, folding open-sight and bead foresight, the breech-end with quickly-detachable mount bases
Weight 7lb. 4¼oz., 14in. pull (13¾in. stock), 23¾in. barrels, both approx. full choke, 2¾in. chambers, Birmingham nitro reproof"

without pics
Drilling 16 ga 9,3x65R SN 13814
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/11176/lot/159/
"A W. COLLATH PATENT 16-BORE/9.3 X 65MM DRILLING BY WITTENER EXCELSIOR, NO. 13814
The horn underlever with a slide-and tilt-opening action, manual safety, bold foliate-scroll engraving, stock with pistolgrip, horn pistolgrip-cap and butt-plate, the barrels with matt game-rib
Weight 6lb. 5¾oz., 14¾in. pull, 27½in. barrels, proof exemption"

12 ga double gun SN 20858
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/11432/lot/218/

"A FINE 12-BORE TRIGGERPLATE-ACTION NON-EJECTOR GUN BY W. COLLATH, NO. 20858C12
The gun incorporating a horn underlever-cocking action, scroll-back action-body, manual top safety, best foliate-scroll engraving, highly-figured stock with pistolgrip, cheek-piece and horn butt-plate, horn triggerguard, the barrels with matt rib
Weight 6lb. 8¾oz., 13½in. pull, 29½in. barrels, approx. 3/8 & ¼ choke, 2½in. chambers, nitro reproof"

Drilling 16ga 9,3x65R SN 16037
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/12933/lot/2803/
"16 Gauge by 9.3mm Boxlock Drilling by W.Collath
Serial no. 16037, 16 x 16 gauge x 9.3 x 65R. 27 1/2 inch barrel with flip-up open sight actuated by the rifle barrel selector. Matted rib. Slide-and-drop trigger-plate action. Horn cocking lever below fore-end. Engraved frame, upper and lower tangs and fore-end cap. Slide-open breech. Rotating winged non-automatic safety on tang. Horn gripcap and triggerguard. Checkered fixed fore-end. Checkered walnut stock. Horn butt-plate. Cheek-piece. Sling swivels.
Condition: Very good. Barrels show 80% faded bluing with pitting mostly at rear of barrels. Left barrel shows numerous dents. Bores show some pitting and riveling. Action shows mottled grey patina. Refinished wood nicks and scratches. 1 1/4 inch filled-in scratch behind action. Checkering has been recut with some over-runs. Data: Weight: 6 pounds 12 ounces. Bores: 0.664/0.664 inches. Chokes: 0.015/0.030 inches (Modified/Full). Chambers: 2 1/2 inches. Proof: German nitro. 16"

Drilling 16 ga and 10,75 SN 6053
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/12968/lot/1896/
"
German Hammerless Underlever Drilling by Collath
Serial no. 6053, 16 gauge and 10.75mm. 24 inch Damascus barrels, the top rib with single leaf rear sight and marked W. Collath in Frankfurt a.O. Patent. Hammerless underlever action engraved with borders and panels of scrollwork. Barrel selector mounted in front of triggerguard. Tang-mounted butterfly safety. Horn underlever and triggerguard. Walnut fore-end and buttstock with straight, checkered wrist. Sling swivels.
Condition: Good to very good. Metal with dark patina showing areas of light spotting overall and some minor pitting. Barrels retain much brown Damascus finish. Good bores showing few patches of light pitting. Wood with minor blemishes."

double gun 12 ga(?) SN 5938
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/13029/lot/1166/
"
A 12 gauge German Collath's Patent underlever boxlock shotgun
Serial no. 5938, 12 gauge. 28 inch Damascus barrels with later blued finish, the flat rib marked W. Collath In Frankfurt O. Patent, the breech end with London proof. Scalloped action deeply engraved with scrollwork and game scenes. Butterfly safety. Double triggers. Scrolling horn triggerguard. Horn underlever. Walnut fore-end and buttstock. Straight checkered wrist. Ebonized wood buttpad."

Drilliong 20ga 9,3x72R SN 18526
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/15408/lot/3604/




" A 20 gauge/9.3x72mm German drilling by W. Collath & Sohne
Serial no. 18526, 20gauge/9.3x 72 caliber. 27 1/2 inch barrels with flat matte rib with flip-up rear sight and fitted with Carl Zeiss telescopic sight. Action etched and engraved overall with oak leaf meander; left side with scene of setter and birds; right side with doe, fawn and fox; upper tang with stagheads. Action signed sequentially W. Collath Sohne/Frankfurt A.O. Knurled wingnut safety. Underlever and triggerguard of translucent green horn. Double triggers with selector lever for rifle barrel. Checkered fore-end and pistolgrip stock of dark, figured walnut. Sling swivels. Hard rubber buttpad and pistolgrip cap."

and thats realy old https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/17104/lot/3207/



notice the underlever looks like on a Berger needle gun

" A fine 12 gauge silver and gold damascened German Collath's patent underlever shotgun
circa 1875-80
Not serialized, 12 gauge. 30 inch side-by-side Damascus barrels, the flat rib inlaid in gold G. Teschner & Comp. Frankfurt A/U. Patent flanked by gold and silver scrollwork. Barrel breeches inlaid with gold and silver bands and scrollwork. Rounded underlever action etched and engraved overall with scrollwork and with pictorial panels of gold animals framed by gold and silver scrolls; left side a fox, right side a dog, upper tang a stag. Tang with wing-shaped safety and gold escutcheon engraved with the monogram CC. Double triggers. Green horn triggerguard. Figured walnut stock with cheekpiece and straight checkered grip. Horn buttplate. Sling swivels."

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      #276785 - 20/01/16 01:08 AM

shown by the damascus steel barrels this Drilling Cal. 4 and 11,15x65R LK have a low serial number 8960
http://www.wapenhandelwagemakers.nl/shop/product_info.php/cPath/1_23/products_id/292

have not look deeper into this by now but dare to say damascus steel came out of fashion after 1900 because the custumer was asking for nitro proofed guns more and more.





























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      #277008 - 23/01/16 07:48 PM

again an extraordinary Collath Drilling, not in the best shape but worth a skilled restrestoration
SN 19075
one barrel set Cal. 4 +Cal. 4 +9,3x65R and the other 9,3x65R+9,3x65R+Cal. 4
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5782268







































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      #277544 - 04/02/16 07:29 PM

Drilling in No .3 what is close to 14 ga and 11,15x65R http://www.naturabuy.fr/drilling-w-collath-item-3047224.html

notice the damascus barrels what came out of fashion very quick after 1900 when smokless powder became popular so I think it must be a very early made gun

























16 ga or No. 4 double gun for sale in russia
http://newhunter.ru/80-19-.-w.collath











another interesting drilling for sale in the netherlands
barrel in 16ga+16ga+8x57IR, the other 12ga+12ga +22 lr(I think a liner maybe in an old 9,3x72R barrel)

http://www.gebruikte-wapens.nl/producten...wisselloop.html



















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      #277812 - 11/02/16 03:45 PM

12ga + 6,5x58R Dilling SN 8160
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5810895





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      #278043 - 17/02/16 12:51 AM

more pics for SN 8160




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      #278211 - 20/02/16 04:45 AM

realy great Drilling 8x57 IR(?!)16 ga SN 12687
http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-fo...;contact_sent=1









"Description:
In 30 years I have not encountered a more interesting gun! Here we have a double rifle drilling (8x57 and 16ga with two leaf sight) with a second set of "normal' drilling barrels double 16ga/ 8x57 under with a single automatic leaf, all bores pristine, all bbls steel nitro proofed for 2 5/8" and 195 grain steel jacketed bullet bore 172.28 (.318" I believe). The mechanism is unique with the hinge all the way at the nose of the forend and obturating discs on the breech face. The barrels slide forward about 1/2" and then hinge open. Butterfly safety of course, barrel selector alongside horn trigger bow. Cartridge trap. All in high original condition except for some worm cavities in the grip cap .. buttplate has none and is very nicely double-edged. The gun is fully engraved with Germanic relief game scenes, handsomely cut, as is the checkering. "Grampa was a gun collector and this was his favorite gun" ... I can see why! 6.5lb as shotgun drilling, 14 1/4" pull 1 1/2" and 2 1/2" drops, 1/
Price: $5,500.00 "

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      #278903 - 07/03/16 12:47 AM

Drilling in 12/65 and 9,3x74R SN 22173
https://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/waffenmarkt...llath&o=neu
















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      #281080 - 17/04/16 07:39 PM

today a 16 ga double gun, SN 7743 its engraved with C(aliber) 3. 11/15
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5919475















this gun startet probably around 1895 as a combination gun for the Teschner Collath shotgun cartridge No. 3 - very close to 14 ga and the 11,15x60R Mauser 71 rifle cartridge. I assume it had than damascus barrels.
after the turn of the century it was found strong enough to get new steel barrels for nitro cartridges to shoot the common 16 ga. this work was probably done by an unknown Suhl gunmaker because there is no other name on the barrels.


combination gun 16 ga 7x57R, SN 22651 W. Collath Söhne
http://www.cowansauctions.com/auctions/item.aspx?id=175805#















Drilling 16 ga 9,3x80R, SN 3942
Patent W. Collath
http://www.cowansauctions.com/auctions/item.aspx?id=104329



Drilling 12 9,3x65R SN 13943 with original scope
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=552036485































Drilling in C. 1 and 11,15x65R SN 10825, Curt Anschütz Zella Mehlis
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=552495933













































an old collath double gun for sale in denmark
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/jagtgevaer-w-collath-s-s-i-kal-12/i4226315/#

no doubt a Collath No. 1 made arround 1895 the given SN 179. could not be right




















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      #284489 - 25/06/16 06:09 PM

W. Collath double gun in No. 1 SN 17096
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6013035















W.Collath Söhne Drilling No. 16 and 9,3x80R SN 22047
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6009408











seller have another Collath Söhne Drilling in 16 and 9,3x65R SN 19121

very rae 8x Collath scope looking for gun with serial number 15532
http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-fo...un_id=100715312















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      #285306 - 16/07/16 06:18 AM

blackpowder damascus No. 4 double gun SN 6614 http://www.gunbroker.com/item/570909052





































Drilling Collath & Söhne Cal. 16 & 9,3x65R, SN: 18444,http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6032709



































Bockbüchsflinte Collath Cal. 16 & 9,3x65R, SN: 13690, Zeiss Zielvier on claw mount,




























Büchsflinte Collath Söhne, Cal. 20 & 8x72R, SN: 22197, http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6032738




























Büchsflinte 8,15x46R & 14 ga with additional 14 ga double gun barrels , SN 611
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6030698
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