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333_okh
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Re: 9,3x70 DWM [Re: Ash]
      #263382 - 10/04/15 03:35 PM

I just need one brass case..this is my next built and remier is a little much at $160 a box to the US

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333_okh
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Re: 9,3x70 DWM [Re: 333_okh]
      #264510 - 03/05/15 04:10 PM

There is a .308 Winchester, a 8x57 Mauser, and 30'06 Springfield, and .338 Winchester Magnum, BUT the biggest one is the 9,3x70mm from EXPERT. It is AMAZING to look and handle.




Makes the 338 Win Mag look minute, and not the North American thumper it is!


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rigbymauser
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Re: 9,3x70 DWM [Re: 333_okh]
      #264512 - 03/05/15 05:39 PM


I have one of these 9,3x70 cartridges. I got it from a gundealer here in Denmark. It is a good looking round and I still considering a M98 made up in that caliber.


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333_okh
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Re: 9,3x70 DWM [Re: rigbymauser]
      #264530 - 04/05/15 07:59 AM

Me too. I am thinking what action is the best. Maybe a Montana Professional Hunter 1999

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Re: 9,3x70 DWM [Re: Ash]
      #265500 - 25/05/15 07:11 AM

Unless you want your name associated with a new cartridge there is no need to design one.
Just about every combination of case and bore size have already been tried.
Why design a 9.3 with a shortened .404 case when you can buy dies reamers and brass or loaded ammo in .375 Dakota.(There is only a .009" difference in diameter between a 9.3 and .375).
Not available at your local shop,try .375 Ruger.
Gotta have a 9.3 try 9.3x64.


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Re: 9,3x70 DWM [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #265923 - 05/06/15 01:19 AM

If you need the 404 Jeffery brass as part of the caliber you can consider the .360 Imperial Magnum, the Canadians was the first company to use the 404 Jeffery brass to neck down/up different calibers with a lot of success...very interesting story behind the Imperial Magnum brand history...
Dies and reamers are available on the market...


IMPERIAL MAGNUM CORPORATION ~--•
The History of Imperial Magnum Cartridges by Aubrey G. White, January, 2003

The genesis of the modem commercial beltless magnums is the story of the
Imperial Magnum cartridge development.
In 1989 Gus Rios, President of Royal Canadian Cartridge & Munitions Inc.
(RCCM) of North Vancouver, B.C., purchased the "Imperial" and related
Trademarks from Valcartier Industries Ltd. (IVI). These Trademarks had
been purchased by IVI from the original Trademark holders, Canadian
Industries Ltd. (CIL). CIL had been producing ammunition continuously in
Canada since about 1919.
RCCM intended to reintroduce a full line of Imperial brand ammunition to
the International market place. To attract attention to the Imperial
trademark they wished to develop a new, high performance, magnum rifle
cartridge. RIOS had developed a cartridge he called the "Imperial .311
Canadian Magnum". This cartridge was the belted .338 Winchester case
necked down to .311 caliber but did not provide the attention getting
performance he was looking for. Aubrey White of Osoyoos, B.C.
suggested that RCCM develop a full line of magnum cartridges, from 7mm
to .358, all based on the non-belted .404 Jeffery case. It was anticipated
that full length cartridges based on this case would be capable of out
performing all existing belted magnums in their class. A .404 beltless case
also provided additional benefits in that it allowed the maximum powder
capacity possible in standard magnum rifle actions, ensured more accurate
head spacing and improved feeding through rifle magazines. A non-beltled
case is also less costly to produce than one with a belt.
Even though White suggested other common calibers be given priority,
Rios wanted the .311 caliber for a unique Canadian identity. White's
company, North American Shooting Systems (NASS) designed and formed
the cases, assembled some ammunition and a rifle for the .311.


...... ..Page Two
Page Two
The first test firing occurred on October 31st, 1989. By the next day,
November 1st, load development resulted in record results. 180 gr. Sierra
.311 bullets were consistently chronographed at 3,,435 fps within acceptable
pressure limits, faster than any other in history. That performance was
achieved with hand formed RWS .404 Jeffery cases, 89.0 grains of RL22
powder and #215 Federal primers in a 26" MacLennan barrel. It is still one
of the very best loads for the .31L
In 1990 NASS was licensed exclusively by RCCM to use the Imperial
trademark to produce rifles. The cartridges were named "Imperial
Magnum". RCCM was to produce cartridge cases and eventually load
ammunition. Kimber of Oregon built one prototype rifle for NASS
chambered for the .360 Imperial. Serial number of this rifle is NASS-OOO1.
NASS intended to further contract Kimber to manufacture production rifles
chambered for all the Imperial Magnums. Before production could begin,
Kimber went into receivership. NASS continued cartridge development but
marketing plans went on hold until 1991.
To gauge dealer interest, RCCM publicly displayed the .311 magnum
cartridges and a rifle for the first time in January of 1991 at the Dallas TX
"Shot Show". Enthusiastic dealer response convinced RCCM to formally
announce its intention to produce a full line of Imperial Magnum rifles and
cartridges. Negotiations between RCCM and Aubrey White resulted in
NASS developing the 7mm, .300, .311, .338 and .360 Imperial Magnum
cartridges. RCCM and Aubrey White formed an RCCM subsidiary
company call the "Imperial Magnum Corporation" (IMC). !MC was
licensed to use the Imperial trademark to market Imperial Magnum
cartridge cases and rifles. In 1993 Sako of Finland was subcontracted to
produce barreled actions which were fitted with McMillan or Pacific
Research stocks by !MC. Sako manufactured one prototype and one
production run of 85 Imperial Magnum barreled actions .

Page Three
The following are the Sako production figures of Imperial Magnum rifles;
7mm Imperial Magnum Serial No's IM 000001 to IM 000025
.300 Imperial Magnum Serial No's IM 100001 to IM 100015
.311 Imperial Magnum Serial No's IM 200001 to IM 200012
.338 Imperial Magnum Serial No's IM 300001 to IM 300013
.360 Imperial Magnum Serial No's IM 400001 to IM 400020
.360 Imperial Magnum Serial No. IM 000000 (Prototype)
"Cavim" of Venezuela manufactured the cartridge cases using USA brass
cups from Olin. IMC never produced loaded ammunition. Customers
loaded their own using IMC cases, RCBS loading dies and loading data
developed and supplied by IMC.
IMC began marketing rifles and cartridge cases in 1993. Unfortunately a
combination of subcontractor problems with the cartridge cases and
financial difficulties experienced by a major shareholder forced IMC to
cease operations in 1995. Customers were very pleased with both cartridge
performance and rifles. Some complaints were received concerning soft
brass cartridge cases but no rifle was ever returned for any reason.
Many "Wildcat" cartridges have been hand formed from .404 brass over the
years but the Imperial Magnums were the first with commercial cartridge
cases and rifles. The large capacity beltless design has been an
overwhelming commercial success but unfortunately not for the originators.
Winchester and Remington have introduced at least eight new beltless
magnums since !MC stopped production. Dakota Arms cartridges use only
the beltless design and John Lazzeroni used the concept to develop his full
line of rifles and cartridges. A total of thirty new non-belted magnum
cartridges have been introduced to the market place. Only Weatherby
continues to develop new cartridges with the outdated belted case.
Aubrey G. White
Box 306, Osoyoos, B.C. VOH 1VO
Phone 250-495-3581 Fax 250-495-3131
E-mail ritle@otvcablelan.net
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IN CANADA: ro. Box 306, Osoyoos, tic. VOH IVO
IN THE USA: eo. Box 249, Oroville, WA. 98844
Telephone (604) 495-3131 Fax (604) 495-2816


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