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DORLEAC
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Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action
      #265486 - 25/05/15 02:09 AM

The birth of a severely classic 9,3x62, built on an original Mauser Oberndorf action in the style of English pre-war production.
The 25'' barrel profiled from a Lothar-Walther blank is fitted with our traditional metallic sights arrangement.
Fully machined 30mm H&H pattern low scope mount for a Zeiss Victory HT and five shots magazine.
After returning from the proof house we will stock it in our own style.

Regards to all.

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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: DORLEAC]
      #265489 - 25/05/15 03:51 AM

Beautiful! Another masterpiece underway. Thanks for sharing this with the forums.

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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: CptCurl]
      #265493 - 25/05/15 04:53 AM

Good work ! I especially like those british styled scope mounts.

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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: Igorrock]
      #265496 - 25/05/15 06:30 AM

Very nice, the floor plate looks great too.

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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #265502 - 25/05/15 07:55 AM

DORLEAC, That H & H scope mount is a work of art to make it sit so low, is the rear scope base mortised & held with screws?
I guess that means if required the hunter can still reload 5 heavies in a stripper clip (with the scope off) quickly in a pinch.
How does the bolt peep go with the wide "V" rear sight, must be a real compromise on sight picture I guess to have both?
Brilliant work as always!
93x64mm

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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: 93x64mm]
      #265503 - 25/05/15 08:10 AM

I really like seeing photos of the stages that rifles being built go through.
Looking forward to seeing more progress from a master!
Thanks for sharing

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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #265506 - 25/05/15 09:55 AM

Thanks for posting pics of the rifle I build in my dreams except mine would have a drop box magazine with an Oberndorf style floorplate instead of the Rigby no 2. I like the H&H pattern front sight and the Recknagle rear sight base with the recoil lug but I prefer the folding leaves to sit flat rather than at an angle. I prefer the original bolt handle shape ( that you normally use) and I would accept a higher mounted scope to avoid the clearanced bolt handle. Can't wait to see the finished product.
How can the peep sight be used with a fixed leaf front sight?
Cheers

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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #265515 - 25/05/15 06:05 PM

93x64mm & Wanabebwana,

Thank you for your comments.
To say the true, there's not more difficulty to make the scope mount low than to do it high. The problem lies with the ocular size of our modern scopes that have increased more than 30% in the last years. Finding an high-end European optic (Zeiss, Swarovski, Kahles, S&B…) with and ocular diameter less than 40mm is near impossible now and with a 90° lift bolt handle we end with such a shape.
Indeed we could have go to a higher mount arrangement but our goal was to fit a wide angle Zeiss "Victory" HT 1-4x24 and to use it as a quick acquisition sight.
In that kind of mount he rear base is dovetailed in the rear bridge and affixed with screws.





Regarding the express rear sight, indeed, as on all our rifles, the folding leaves will sit flat after having been regulated at the range.





The Rigby peep sight is used in conjunction with rear sight for long shots as it can be raised but it will be replaced by a folding Lyman n°1 bolt peep that I prefer.



For the Rigby magazine floorplate, it's a personal choice because we have made such a rifle in the past and I like the idea to have a 9,3x62 treated like a "Big Game" rifle…but it's only my own view and I highly respect your choice of a more traditional straddle floor plate if you prefer it.



You must understand our building process: after action careful blue printing, it's barreled (chambered, headspaced, profiled) then we work on the functioning (feeding, ejection) before making the iron sights. The barreled action is now mounted in a "martyr" stock (we have a lot of them) for the first tests and the scope is fitted to valid the project.
When all is Ok, the barreled action goes to the proof house while I work on the stock design and plan. With the rifle still in the white and the wood in the semi finished stage the sights are perfectly regulated at the range, then finished and seated flat in the base.
I will try to post photos of the making.

Regards.

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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: DORLEAC]
      #265517 - 25/05/15 06:11 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm Donuts!

Doh!
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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: Homer]
      #265531 - 26/05/15 04:01 AM

Dorleac thanks for your prompt clarification. I have never used a cocking piece mounted peep sight and was unaware that the barrel mounted rear sight was lined up in the sighting process.I also realize that sometimes you have to make minor compromises to allow function as well as form.
Seeing the finished rifle above I can appreciate the Rigby styling cues of the forend,feed ramp,and floorplate. A modern classic. In many ways an improvement of the originals. I have seen the deep Rigby type II and III floorplates mostly used with standard bottom metal to increase magazine capacity of a rifle without having to replace the stock or when using a drop box magazine for cartridges such as the .500 Jeffrey. I prefer a drop box magazines that will offer equal capacity with a flatter floorplate when a rifle is built from scratch because of the contour of the front of the trigger guard and also the fact that the floorplate does not need engraving to break up its bulk.
My preferences are shaped by my imprinting on classic pre-war rifles, Mauser Type A and premium British builders such as Jeffrey, H&H, Rigby, Westley Richards and Purdey. As a fan of finely crafted Mausers, I greatly appreciate your work which shows no compromise or limits in the quality of design and execution. It is always a delight to examine the subtle details that define your rifles even if one cannot experience the handling qualities or the smoothness of the action.In one word,Perfection. I find it generous on your part to take the time to participate in these forums.Thank you.


Edited by Wanabebwana (26/05/15 09:13 AM)

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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #265758 - 01/06/15 03:49 AM

Everything I don't care for (slimming the bolt handle and.....oh, yeah, nothing else!) is an understandable compromise which I could 'force' myself to live with....!
How many rounds (1+) with the 9.3?
What a great all around rifle!

Edited by A10ACN (01/06/15 08:20 PM)

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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: A10ACN]
      #265763 - 01/06/15 07:33 AM

Six shots capacity.
Best.

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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: DORLEAC]
      #269134 - 11/08/15 11:58 AM

I realize this is an old post but I thought I might be able to contribute some. I knew a fellow that worked 18 years in the German gun trade. He explained to me that the rear peep sight used in conjunction with the front and rear iron sights sharpens the focus of the front and rear iron sights for those of us with aging eyes. For those of you who have done competitive rifle shooting you may be familiar with the peep sight oculars that attach to your glasses, or for those on a budget a piece of electrical tape with a hole punched in it stuck on you glasses. This is the same idea.

Vlad

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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: Vladymere]
      #269139 - 11/08/15 03:19 PM

Quote:

I realize this is an old post but I thought I might be able to contribute some. I knew a fellow that worked 18 years in the German gun trade. He explained to me that the rear peep sight used in conjunction with the front and rear iron sights sharpens the focus of the front and rear iron sights for those of us with aging eyes. For those of you who have done competitive rifle shooting you may be familiar with the peep sight oculars that attach to your glasses, or for those on a budget a piece of electrical tape with a hole punched in it stuck on you glasses. This is the same idea.

Vlad



May be.
On my Gibbs 280, the settings on the peep matched the leaves exactly when using both.
I never took note of whether the picture became any more clear using both.
I once noticed, while daydreaming in school, that if you look across a straight edge, there is a band which produces a crystal clear focused picture even with crappy sight like mine.
You can try it yourself looking across a pencil taking note of the clarity just above the edge.
I figured that this is the principle on which a peep works except the edge is circular so everything within become clearer.

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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: Huvius]
      #269148 - 11/08/15 09:20 PM

Nothing wrong with bringing something like this back. Great photos of a great rifle.

M. Dorleac, can you tell us about your engravers? Do you have someone in house or do you send out? Not much is known of current French engravers.

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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: A10ACN]
      #269169 - 12/08/15 02:46 AM

Here are two examples of the devices that attach to shooting glasses, as used in competitive shooting, that work like the stock wrist and bolt cocking piece peep sights.

http://www.brownells.com/shooting-access...-prod19702.aspx

http://www.brownells.com/shooting-access...t-prod8767.aspx

These devices are used to sharpen the focus of iron sights, to help remove the "fuzziness".

I should have said in my first that this rifle is a beautiful build.

Vlad

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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: A10ACN]
      #269188 - 12/08/15 07:22 PM

A10ACN

Until the end of the eighties the engravers followed the gunsmith trade and the majority worked at home for the various gunmakers of the period, mostly on double guns, delivering from the poorest standard grade to the highest superb job. Saint-Etienne was the main place…and where you got what you paid.
Among an array of engravers who spend their life to adorn standard grade side by side Anson boxlocks, they where some superb artists like the late Christian FREYCON, a true master who delivered some exceptional pieces.
The Parisians gun trade used the talents of Belgian engravers, as Liege is nearer from the capital than Saint-Etienne.
The nineties seen the preeminence of the Italian artists and could be named the "bulino" years…
American engravers have always fascinated me and I remember the time I spent dreaming on the works from the hands of Arnold GRIEBEL or John WARREN on the black and white photos on my treasured Gun Digest books (I have a near complete collection of the John T. AMBER era…)
Now, depending on customer requirements, we can work with the engraver of our choice.
We have been lucky to have for many years the excellent Michel COURANT as "in house engraver" even if although having his workshop in our premises he also worked for other professionals.
Currently we use the talents of several specialists who are generally young and promising. Hubert DAMPERAT and Florent VIALE are in charge of the ornamentation while for the treatment of animal subjects and bulino we work with Silke ULRICH or Diego BONSI.
For the letters another specialist does the markings for us.
Of course when the client requires we entrust engraving to the artist he chooses with which we cooperate on the project.
Now in France we have a lot of talented young people among which Elizabeth DA JUSTA, Geoffrey LIGNON, Christine LELIEVRE ...an many others.

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Some samples in the white

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Re: Birth of a 9,3x62 on Mauser Oberndorf action [Re: DORLEAC]
      #269252 - 14/08/15 09:18 PM

The scroll work on that first floor plate is superb. Great use of space and proportion. Do you mind honoring the engraver by mentioning the name?
The game scenes are fantastic as well. Great assembly of artists!

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