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MichaelSchwarz
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Mauser 98 Stutzen
#265362 - 22/05/15 02:10 AM

I invested in the debris of an Original Mauser Oberndorf 1900 .The Barrel is missing. The ring is marked with " Waffenfabrik Mauser Oberndorf 1900 " with small thread
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My intention is to build up a Mauser Stutzen like the one I copied from Dorleac. That one is an original from 1908.:

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The magazine holds cartridges up to 85,5 mm. I want to chamber it with a Lothar Walther barrel , 24 ", like the picture of the original shows. The calibre should be one used in 1900, not to much choices . My favourite is 7,65x53 Mauser.

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MichaelSchwarz
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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
#265363 - 22/05/15 02:13 AM

Excuse the mistake

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
#265365 - 22/05/15 02:34 AM

IMO 6,5x55 is very good alternative caliber for m98 small ring actioned rifle. At least it's old enough for your purposes. But if you want to build something not so ordinary look this topic:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=210087&an=0&page=0

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: Igorrock]
#265390 - 22/05/15 05:30 PM

6,5x55 is a good round, no doubt, but I think the 7,65x53 is a good one too. something between 308 Win and 8x57 its fine for any european game. If I ever stumble about a Mauser 91 for a good price it would be a big temtation.

why dont you look for an original 7,65 argentine barrel? I think it must be possible to find this because so many argentine rifle's are butchered for the action. I would ever take an original period barrel if possible. simply ask gunmaker who make custom mauser's they must have it.

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MichaelSchwarz
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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: lancaster]
#265395 - 22/05/15 06:01 PM

Yes, you are right, there are also new Barrels in the old shape:

Weißfertiger Büchsenlauf, Original Mauser Argentino
ØD1 = 15,5mm
ØD2 = 16,5mm
ØD3 = 24,5mm
ØD4 = 28,2mm
G-Ø = 1.1" (12 Gang auf 1")
L = 740mm

is available from Lothar-Walther, but with 740 mm / 28 " it is not useable for a Stutzen stock I am afraid. And just cut it to 24 " would not be a solution.

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korv
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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
#265399 - 22/05/15 07:50 PM

It`s a transition action.Being a former owner of this gun and having another transition action
org Oberndorf gun in 6,5x55(pictured on this forum auctions rare pre-transitional....)
my opinion 6,5 is a good choice as is 8x57i or 9x57.I personly would`nt make it stutzen
as none of the 3 transition rifles that i`ve owned had such stock though I would insisted on side panels,but why not use original stock with its patina and coppar nails.

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MichaelSchwarz
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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: korv]
#265408 - 23/05/15 12:43 AM

Sir, is this the detail you mentioned with coppar nails on stock ? What was or still is the reason for those nails ?

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#265410 - 23/05/15 12:44 AM

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
#265411 - 23/05/15 12:49 AM

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
#265414 - 23/05/15 01:19 AM

Oldtimers way to commemorate killing of moose one nail for each moose.
I happend to have org. Mauser model african octagonal barrel cal 9,3x62
with maybe 30 big Nails(moose?)and twice as many small nails(roe dear?)
otherwise gun is like new and yes thats the detail.

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: korv]
#265450 - 24/05/15 03:06 AM

According to John Walter's " Rifles of the Word " , 2006 issue, p. 327, the C 98 was also long stocked as Stutzen:

The choice of calibres is restricted for the beginning years to 7x57, 8x57 and 9x57, though to be in line with the origin I intend to chamber it with a 9x57, as two of my other rifles. The 7,65 Mauser has to wait for a second chance...

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
#265451 - 24/05/15 03:58 AM

If you need good books of Mauser rifles you should find own copies of Jon Speed's Mauser books. After reading them you will know what's transition action m98 Mauser.

http://www.collectorgrade.com/bookshelf10.html

http://www.amazon.com/Mauser-Archive-Jon...3826&sr=1-2

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MichaelSchwarz
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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: korv]
#265474 - 24/05/15 08:42 PM

Quote:

It`s a transition action.Being a former owner of this gun and having another transition action

Sir, I understand just now that you owned this specific rifle in former times, excuse the delay in my recognition. I wondered how you could know about the copper nails not shown in my pictures published in the forum. For what calibre was it chambered ? I would intend to use the original one, if possible

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korv
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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
#265480 - 24/05/15 11:21 PM

Yes I did own this particular rifle.Few years ago when I visited local gun shop
a man entered the shop and tried to sell to the owner his late father guns.The
owner declined buing and suggested scraping of the gun As he considered it of no
value.Man was more than happy to sell to me.I was very happy to buy extremly scarce
and valuable transiton action with stock a collectible.
The only reason I sold it was that I bought another gun. and I was over the limit imposed by goverment. Caliber was 9x57 but it was not original barrel(poor condition)
Your stock is in poor condition but whole and org Oberndorf.Action is in superb condition.
You own highly collectible and scarce item

Edited by korv (24/05/15 11:37 PM)

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: korv]
#265505 - 25/05/15 08:46 AM

Transitional actionss were discussed here: http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....;gonew=1#UNREAD

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: kuduae]
#265525 - 25/05/15 10:52 PM

Or 6.5x57

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MichaelSchwarz
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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: JabaliHunter]
#265644 - 29/05/15 05:44 AM

I add a few additional photos of the Mauser 1900. Meanwhile I noticed also the stamp 1623 in the front part of the stock. All parts of the action and magazine carry the same number. I talked with my gunsmith about the whole project and we decided to restore the rifle as is.

By the way, the sagging of the stock is not suitable for any scope assembly, it was intended for iron sights. Beside that it would destroy the appearance of original action to a certain extend. I will leave it as near to the original as possible.

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
#265668 - 29/05/15 05:17 PM

Please do not make holes in action for optical sights.Barrel in say 9x57 but .358 will make
perfect brush gun with alot of stile.If so inclined You can mount red Point like Docter
on the barrel

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: korv]
#265674 - 29/05/15 10:53 PM

That's amazing, a member happen to own the exact rifle in a thread posted by someone else but not having sold directly to them. Ah, the internet never ceases to amaze me.

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korv
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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: Ash]
#265681 - 30/05/15 12:52 AM

Sold through auction house.This way I could reach more potential
buyers.Anyhow there is maybe 50 to 100 transition actions or even less and this forum is for people
particularly intrested in Org Mauser (limited number of people and limited number of guns)

Edited by korv (30/05/15 03:56 AM)

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MichaelSchwarz
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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: korv]
#267659 - 09/07/15 07:49 PM

Meanwhile the final decision is back to calibre 7,65x53 Mauser. Lothar Walther checked the system for detailed meassurements in their factory and now I have the final drawing for the barrel, 24 ". Michael Velser will help me with all the further steps to be done.

Just press the pdf button to recognize details.

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
#267850 - 12/07/15 03:05 PM

Very nice! Can't wait to see the build progress, I like the caliber choice, that's one I shoot a bit in two Peruvian 1909's. My next rifle will be a stützen also, simply the best form for a Mauser in my book.

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: themauserkid]
#280435 - 06/04/16 09:06 PM

Progress Report 1:

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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: MichaelSchwarz]
#280439 - 07/04/16 01:02 AM

I would replace that ugly and inadequate backsight.

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MichaelSchwarz
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Re: Mauser 98 Stutzen [Re: justcurious]
#280443 - 07/04/16 03:19 AM

backsight in detail, I did not find any original Mauser one, only the military ones, which I don't like om my hunting rifle. This one is "handmade":

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