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Re: hold for me [Re: kuduae]
      #248257 - 01/06/14 06:52 AM

thanks for giving the bullet weight of the .500 Tesco because its not in the Tesco catalog.

have you ever seen a 10,75 Tesco bullet???

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      #251417 - 01/08/14 11:27 PM

a 16/70( maybe not original) + 9,3x72R for sale on egun
serial number 10189

http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5040873













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      #251773 - 08/08/14 04:12 PM

drilling in 16 ga and 11mm for sale in the netherlands
I am still thinking that this is the 11,15x65R. have find no proof the mysterious 10,75x65R collath exist!













http://www.wapenhandelwagemakers.nl/shop...00df899a74ae3bd


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remarkable because of the extended forend - factory made???

High quality German Drilling combination rifle, by Collath and Sohne, Frankfurt, 16 gauge SxS shotgun over 8mm rifle, 25-1/2” barrel, blue finish on nitro proofed barrels, case hardened receiver with fine Europeanengraving, checkered wood stocks, #22032. This gun is in overall uncleaned fine condition showing the majority of its blue finish on barrels with traces of case color on receiver, balance gone to a silvery tone;bores should clean to very good/fine; crisp action; unusual barrel release that moves the barrels and part of wood fore end forward and down; key safety lever on top tang, flip up rear sight actuated by small lever onright side of trigger guard that is carved horn material as is the barrel release lever; wood is overall very good to fine with sling swivels and horn butt plate that has some slight worm damage. A really nice earlyDrilling. Est.: $600-$1,200.



http://www.icollector.com/High-quality-G...-shot_i11642529



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described as a cape gun I cant see whats with the rifled barrel. side by side combination guns by collath seems to be very rare. right barrel is steal and left barrel is damascus what was common for büchsflinten in this time. only marked with Cal. 1 for a double gun the rifle barrel was maybe a later change not done by collath. number 6917 must be in the years between 1895 and 1900.

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/11488830_rare-cape-gun-side-by-side-attr-to-collath

















Rare Cape Gun Side by Side attr. to Collath with Damascus steel & regular stell barrels. (One side shotgun, 1 side rifle) Walnut stock with finely engraved silver details depicting hunting and game scenes. Very fine crosshatch work on stock. Gold monogrammed on top. Markings located on underside of barrel and on stock as follows: No. 6917 Cal. (on stock, as photographed.) Markings on barrel: 6749, D, 4grp219rB1, 6917, 12 and Seven (7) stamped characters (as photographed)



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well a Collath Drilling in 16 ga and 8x57,5R Rubin is something near impossible
must be a 8x5/R 360


















http://www.gunauction.com/buy/12146150/g...6x-8x57.5-rubin


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W. Collath and Son -- Cape Gun, side by side 9.3x72mm and 16ga

Original W. Collath and son cape gun/combo gun in 9.3x72 mm on the Rifle side and 16ga on the shotgun side. Bores are pretty nice, Horn Buttplate, triggerguard and break lever., stock has not been cut, no apparent cracks in the wood, everything is functional and gun is shootable. sn:19141.













http://www.gunauction.com/buy/7510152/gu...3x72mm-and-16ga

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single shot rifle in 6,5x52R
http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%...ed=0CIcBEK0DMB8

















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Re: hold for me [Re: lancaster]
      #257333 - 29/11/14 05:24 AM

drilling in 12/65 and 9,3x82R
Dietke Lidzhun/ Rastenburg in east prussia, sorry no serial number










https://www.waffengebraucht.at/node/197176

again for sale in austria
a 16/65 + 8x57R 360 Drilling SN 14061
modern Kahles Helia S 6x42













"W. Collath & Söhne" - "Frankfurt H.O." single shot rifle in 8,15x46R
SN is given as " 1651" something must be wrong with the serial number!
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5126904&PHPSESSID=73d63782d9b3dad7de7c8c6575378dd7






























https://www.waffengebraucht.at/node/233254

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Re: hold for me [Re: lancaster]
      #257858 - 14/12/14 10:10 PM

I love the basket weave engraving, I can't believe that only sold for 700euro!

I really like this 9.3x72 U/O you posted. How much did it sell for?



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Re: hold for me [Re: Ash]
      #257864 - 15/12/14 02:51 AM

lovet he basket weave engraving too
well, thats 1061 australien dollar and imho a good price today on this market

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      #257975 - 17/12/14 03:24 PM

on of the rare double guns descibed as a 16/65 (?) was for sale on egun last week





rubber recoil pad doesn't seem to be original

hard used drilling in a bad shape 16ga(?) and 9,3x80R nitro proof
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5229038













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Re: hold for me [Re: lancaster]
      #258121 - 20/12/14 04:10 PM

SN of the drilling is 14826

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Re: hold for me [Re: lancaster]
      #258151 - 22/12/14 05:16 AM

Any chance of photos of these special cartridges?

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      #258938 - 11/01/15 03:22 PM

o/u double rifle in 9,3x80R SN 11571
post war scope, possible later replacement for the lost original










http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/113749-kulova-kozlice-w-collath-frankfurt-ho/

Drilling 8x72R / 16ga (?) SN 14280
notice there is the same stock magazine like we see on the double rifle 11571 so this probably the original magazine Collath made.











http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/38843-trojak-collath/

16 ga double gun - just remember most 16 ga guns offered are actually No. 4 and the 12 ga are No. 1










no serial number given , only Wittener Exelsior
http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/26239-brokovnice-collath-16-16/

a very old double gun SN 1793, Cal. No. 0
till now the only gun in No.0 I have seen and I dont believe this chamber was anymore made after 1900.
on the barrel rib "F.Schoenemann Maker" (Frederick Schoeneman, USA, 1833 - 98.)


sold by Kessler/Switzerland in 2007
http://www.kesslerauktionen.ch/Kataloge/Katalog/Katalog22.pdf

Drilling in 12ga (No. 1?) and 8x72R
SN 21349 http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5263636








Drilling in 7x65R Brennecke and 16/65
interesting late made Drilling after 1917 when the 7x56R came out. same problem like I have with the 9x57 Double rifle 282785 on page 2. SN looks like 6 digits and I believe to see 288...
this will puzzling me for a while






http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/3159-trojak-wilhelm-collath/


Collath reach the 20000 serial number zone between 1912 and 1914 and with the outbreak of the great war we can imagine hunting gun production war was very low. and now with two guns made after 1917 or better after 1918 we see some 280000 serial numbers? iirc, Collath was making signal flare pistols in the great war and this could be an explaining. maybe the own serial numbers were used for such pistols

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      #259161 - 18/01/15 08:34 PM

Drilling in 9,3x72R and 16/65 SN 325
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5284467&PHPSESSID=73d63782d9b3dad7de7c8c6575378dd7#img
Hensoldt/Wetzlar DIALYTAN 4x36 on claw mount














Drilling in 9,3x65R and 16/65 SN 15296
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5281802&PHPSESSID=73d63782d9b3dad7de7c8c6575378dd7













so I have now two problems with the serial numbers

282785 DR in 9x57
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288... in 7x65R and 16/65
there is an explanation this guns were made after WW 1 and something happen in between

but now there is also a single shot rifle 1651 in 8,15x46R and this drilling 325 here I would put in the time between 1900 and 1914

and it becomes worse
Drilling in 9,3x72R - 16/65 SN 1212







http://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/gebrauchtwaf...llath&o=neu

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      #259340 - 22/01/15 08:31 PM

one of the rare double guns if compared with the amount of Drillings made between 1900 and 1914
steel barrel sleeved in 1967 and now for 16/70 - nitro profed,SN give by the gunmaker who sell it 14xxx
http://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/gebrauchtwaf...llath&o=neu











DR Collath&Söhne SN 6585 in 1,15x60R Mauser and 28 ga. full rifled
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5293208














Drilling in 8x72R and 16/65 SN 18317
stock seems not to be original
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5291673











another Collath&Söhne double gun in 12 ga(no.1)SN 20350
http://www.waffen-reinhardt.de/doppelflinten/collath-wb-667.html












double rifle drilling in 8x57irs- 8x57irs - 16/70
rechambered and new proofed SN 1928 new Swarowski scope on SEM
http://www.altejagdwaffen.de/Details.155.0.html?&no_cache=1&tx_fwwcat_pi1%5BshowUid%5D=14





































18988(?) the firm was still G. Teschner & Co Inh. W.Collath




Drilling in 9,3x72R - 16/65 SN 14926
http://www.waffen-hiendlmayer.de/details.php?cID=5&sID=5&iID=46

















Drilling in "360 N. E./20/70/20/70)" rifle caliber is probably 9,3x57R 360 or 9,3x72R
SN 287
EDUARD KETTNER' and "CÖLN A/RH. PATENT 63385" on the barrels
sold by Dorotheum last year http://www.dorotheum.com/auktion-detail/...coln.html?img=1





Double gun in 16 ga ( No.4) SN 1126
without any proof so before 1891
'Excenter-Kammer-Verschluß" on the right action side, "G. TESCHNER u. CO: IN FRANKFURT A. O. PATENT" in the action

http://www.dorotheum.com/auktion-detail/...nkfurtoder.html







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      #259344 - 22/01/15 10:55 PM

Patent No 96285 for the a Drilling Trigger given in 1898







a little bit bigger



DR in 9,3x74R SN 21512
"W.COLLATH.SÖHNE. FRANKFURT A.O." and "WITTENER-EXCELSIOR"
http://gallery.bestguns.de/main.php?g2_itemId=3312




Drilling 8x58R and No.1 SN 14680
"PATENT W. COLLATH FRANKFURT A. O." and "WITTENER EXCELSIOR"
http://gallery.bestguns.de/main.php?g2_itemId=3315



Drilling in 9,3x80R and No.4 SN 18322
"W. COLLATH, SÖHNE FRANKFURT A. O." Krone/"SWUG" and Nitro proof
http://gallery.bestguns.de/main.php?g2_itemId=3316



Drillin in 9,3x65R and 16 ga SN 18736
"W. COLLATH, SÖHNE. FRANKFURT A. O.", Krone/"SWUG" proof
Tesco 5 3/4 scope on claw mount
http://gallery.bestguns.de/main.php?g2_itemId=3318



Drilling in 16 ga and 8x57IRS probably rebored 8x57IR
SN 1976X
http://waffen-pfandleihhaus.de/beschreibungen/166.html
















1899 http://www.walter-antiquariat.de/Teschne...ame-advertising



Double gun in 12 ga (No.1) SN 16953
http://www.krause-exclusiv-waffen.de/Doppelflinten/136/136.htm












find description of a DR for sale in the US in 2012 http://oldguns.net/q&a11_12.htm
"I have found an interesting antique gun for sale in the western hills in Maine. It Is listed for sale as W. Collaath Under lever gun in 18 ga??? , Boxlock, bone horned trigger gusard,26" double bbls sxs, serial # 8544. Markings are listed as KMG Crown Figure with the letter N under it. Markings under barrels are 10/6 mm60, nicely engraved with whitetail buck under ferns. Frankfurt a.o. "

so SN 8544 is a DR for the 10,6x60R one of the different cartridges made by using 11,15x60R brass
not sure about the engraved white tail


1899
http://www.ebay.fr/sch/sis.html?_nkw=G%2...Id=371004932984








Drilling in 9,3x65R and 16 ga SN 15211
http://www.fischerauktionen.ch/UserData/Katalog_148181_00.pdf








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      #259353 - 23/01/15 01:28 AM

a rare conventional toplever hammerless 16 ga Collath gun
https://auctionet.com/de/62420-hagelgevar-tyskt-sbs-hammerles-fabrikat-w-collath-sohne-kaliber-16-70
SN 19479









with the SN in the range of the common collath action guns



a double gun for 320 gold mark was a expensive thing in 1914

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      #259372 - 23/01/15 07:13 PM

a real Cal. 12 double gun, SN 20042
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=464724674
"At some point it has been re-blued and refinished. "









































































a 16 ga with 2 3/4" long chambers - not original, SN 14430
GREAT WOOD, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=464363503





































double gun in 16 ga but with SN 8937 there can be no doubt its a NO. 4 caliber
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=463812642
beautyful damuscus barrels and this serial number must be around the turn of the century






Double rilfe Drilling SN 6205 9,3x65R and 16 ga
http://www.bestguns.de/main.php?g2_itemId=3320

















Drilling SN 18380 9,3x80R and 16ga
Krone/"SWUG" and "W. COLLATH SÖHNE FRANKFURT A. O."
http://www.bestguns.de/main.php?g2_itemId=3317


Drilling 11,15x65R Cal.4 SN 11085
guns was deactivateds in britain http://gallery.bestguns.de/main.php?g2_itemId=1395
























Mister Lietzau http://gallery.bestguns.de/main.php told me he have another
double gun 16 ga SN 6205


Drilling with new made barrels in 6x70R and 16/70 SN 9633 S
http://www.waffen-haas.de/gebraucht_waffen_bilder.htm
orignal stock reshaped







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      #259679 - 30/01/15 06:11 PM

16 ga double gun SN 14430
http://www.gun-photos.info/gunphotos?photoid=44066&iid=242642&aid=47



combination gun 16 ga and 9,3x72R SN 19141
http://www.gun-photos.info/gunphotos?photoid=44066&iid=242642&aid=47





Drilling in 9,3x72R /16 ga SN 21636
http://www.gun-photos.info/gunphotos?photoid=7420&iid=291621&aid=53




Drilling in 7x72R /16 ga SN 22568
http://www.gun-photos.info/gunphotos?photoid=44394&iid=243487&aid=47



one of the best
double rifle drilling with two barrels in .500, shotgun barrel ? SN 8114
" chambers are for the 500 Nitro Express" ... its a 12,7x86R 500 NfB so 500 NE fits and shoot but whoever have this drilling now he will better use 500BPE or NFB. seems the drilling was shoot sometimes with the NE before
http://www.gun-photos.info/gunphotos?photoid=40456&iid=234703&aid=46










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http://www.rockislandauction.com/search/aid/1024


12 ga double gun SN 17693
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=465117660






























drilling in 9,3x65R /16 SN ?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=465699073

















drilling in 9,3x72R /16 SN ?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=465930480













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      #261914 - 08/03/15 03:55 PM

interesting No 3 shotgun cartridge loaded by Otto Bock Berlin, Kronenstr. 7
the inventor of the 9,3x62






http://www.naturabuy.fr/TRES-RARE-CARTOUCHE-BROCHE-HORIZONTALE-item-2473846.html

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      #262567 - 21/03/15 01:23 AM

I have discuss the 9x57 Mauser DR, SN 282785 with another Collath collector before and we came in the end to the conclusion this must have been original a 5 digit SN someone change http://www.hermann-historica.de/auktion/...;db=kat63_s.txt

its now for sale again in the next Springers auction nicely restored with a ugly scope
http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/d...;currentpos=110















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      #262599 - 21/03/15 12:37 PM

Yes, that kind of modern scope do not fit to traditional doubles "soul" but is, in shooting/hunting means, very high quality one. The mounting system seems to be quite OK so I would take them both together without any questions.

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      #263023 - 02/04/15 06:05 AM

W. Collath drilling in 16/65(stamped as 16) and 9,3x82R SN 16689
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5405242















Drilling in 16/65 and 8x57IR SN 1008
on the barrels "Walther Gewehrfabrik" and "Heidersbach R/Suhl" so it this was made later because of now unknown reasons for this Collath Drilling in Suhl.
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5393785












kuduae hat some possible names
Suhl-Heidersbach, Hauptstraße 12. Walther, Ferdinand.
Suhl-Heidersbach. Inhaber: Walther, Erich. Jagdwaffenfabrikation.
Suhl-Heidersbach, Eckstraße 19. Walther, Max Rudolf. Gewehrfabrik.

to mention only the Walther living in Suhl Heidersbach



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      #263827 - 19/04/15 02:48 PM

single shot rifle probably in 8,15x46R, SN 559
notice the underlever is not made in the common way but in the style of a "english lever"
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5418944













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Drilling in 16/65 and 9,3x72R, SN 19449
the 65,5 cm long barrels made in 1926 and the original 70 cm long Drilling barrels in C.16 and 9,3x65R probably also in 1926 changed into double gun barrels without the rifle barrel for using the drilling as a double gun when hunting small game only.



very unique Collath Drilling SN 10344, 16ga and 11,15x65R
"Friedrich Jac. Bartels" on the barrels(dealer) and only blackpowder proof
http://www.guntrader.de/mediapool/75/759828/data/Jagdwaffen_12_M_rz_2015.pdf












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      #265043 - 16/05/15 09:44 PM

Drilling in No.1 and 11,15x65R SN 13064
Patent W. Collath http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5450718#img











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      #265182 - 19/05/15 04:04 AM

have shown this double gun before
double gun in 16/70, sleeved barrels made in 1967
SN 149XX, http://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/gebrauchtwaf...llath&o=neu







Paul Erdelt 16g. on Collath action in nice original condition.
SN 18112
http://www.gunsinternational.com/Paul-Er...un_id=100543013
















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Norwegian hunter misses moose, shoots man on toilet
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bringing civilisation to the barbarians

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      #265318 - 21/05/15 04:45 AM

Drilling – Kal. 8x72R – 2x16/65 SN 1051 Pecar scope
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5465813





Drilling 9,3x72R/16 ga with extra 16 ga shotgun Drilling barrels ( 3 shotgun barrels)
SN 1212 http://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/gebrauchtwaf...llath&o=neu







only Rasch /Braunschweig on the gun its a 9,3x72R /12ga Büchsflinte with later made 12 ga nitro proofed double gun barrels
SN 100
http://www.vdb-waffen.de/de/gebrauchtwaf...llath&o=neu












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Norwegian hunter misses moose, shoots man on toilet
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bringing civilisation to the barbarians

Edited by lancaster (22/05/15 08:29 PM)


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      #266071 - 08/06/15 12:29 AM

Bockbüchsflinte in 16765 and 6,5x58R Sauer&Sohn, SN 1847
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5480478









































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