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Target shooting with your doubles & big bores
      #24266 - 16/01/05 01:55 PM

There is a number of double rifle target shooting clubs and competitions.

Most to me seem to shoot those silly paper competition targets, eg circular with numbered circles.

Is this your experience? What competition do you shoot in, or have shot in? Was it casual or an 'organised' discipline?


Personally shooting a bunch of numbered circles does absolutely NOTHING for me. I like to hunt with my rifles and prefer to shoot game targets. Photos or cut-outs of a deer, or pig, or buffalo.

Afterall that is what "Big Game" hunting is about isn't it?! Not shooting a black and white numbered circle so as to work out who gets the most "points" or not. I like the game targets where points are allocated for a definite kill zone, less for a wound zone, and maybe even negative points for wounding areas like the gut. Perhaps a short run up to get the lungs and heart pumping.

Running targets are great fun too.

A must for big bore doubles, the charging target!



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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: NitroX]
      #24339 - 17/01/05 10:08 AM

We of the DRSS (Double Rifle Shooter's Society ) here in the States had a shoot with our doubles in Houston, Texas last year. The drill was a standing target of a lifesize Cape Buffalo, at 100yds! Then a pair of shots at a stationary Buffalo, then a reload, and two shots at a full size Buffal advanceing on you, from 50 yds. The targets have no aiming points on them that can be seen from more than 5 ft. NE450No2 won first place, and his wife won second place, in that shoot. I didn't get to shoot in that match, but am hopeing we have it again this year, so I can whip their butts!

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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #24353 - 17/01/05 01:29 PM

Mac

That's the way to do it!

Well done to NE450No2 and his wife.

Mac, you wish!


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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #24356 - 17/01/05 02:43 PM

Sounds like a great shoot.
To keep things fair however, the Taylor knock out value can be calculated into the scoring process.
This encourages the use of SERIOUS cartridges and makes it harder for shooters using pussy cartridges to win.
Simply multiply the score by the knock out value.
Some friends in the NT top end have been doing this type of shoot for many years.
One other thing was that for the charging buffalo event, they often went out and got a real one!

Oops, sorry 450NE No2, I wasn't trying to suggest that you or your wife were using little cartridges to win!
Just saying that it makes the shoot even more fun by using the knock out value.
You can then have two prizes, one for highest on paper score and another when the knock out is factored in.

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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: 4seventy]
      #24377 - 17/01/05 08:03 PM

4seventy,
It isn't about knockdown, it's about hav'n fun.

And we had great fun!

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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: Rusty]
      #24398 - 18/01/05 01:59 AM

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4seventy,
It isn't about knockdown, it's about hav'n fun.

And we had great fun!




True, and I might add, Tony and his wife were not useing little rifles, Tony was shooting his 450#2 NE, and his wife was useing a 450/400 3 1/4" both with full hunting loads!

I'll be useing a 500/450#1 Exp with 28" barrels for my shooting!
That should give me an advantage With those long barrels I can simply wait till he gets to 3 yds, and let both barrels go! Or........I guess I could just shoot light loads in my little 9.3X74R


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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: Rusty]
      #24432 - 18/01/05 10:42 AM

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4seventy,
It isn't about knockdown, it's about hav'n fun.

And we had great fun!




Rusty,
I have no doubt that it is a great fun shoot.
Yes I agree that it is NOT "about" knock down.
It IS about having fun and by factoring in the Taylors KO my mates found that it could be even MORE fun.
I think that most would agree that a low recoil double is easier to shoot accurately than a big, hard kicking gun.
The KO system just tends to even things out a bit.
With the standard system, a guy using a 22 High Power double could win the "Charging Buffalo Event" by just one point over a guy shooting a 500 Nitro!
Who do you think should really win?
I reckon they BOTH should!





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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: 4seventy]
      #24434 - 18/01/05 10:48 AM

I hope you and your mates have fun with Taylor!

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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: Rusty]
      #24442 - 18/01/05 11:58 AM

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I hope you and your mates have fun with Taylor!




Rusty, sorry but neither myself or any of my mates are that way inclined!



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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: 4seventy]
      #24443 - 18/01/05 12:08 PM

Whew! I am glad to hear that! for a bit there I thought y'all might be married to the guy!

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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: Rusty]
      #24445 - 18/01/05 12:32 PM

Alan,

Sounds all too technical to me.

Of course, the best double rifle practice used to be the good old bomb-up of feral pigs and goats. Real fur or hair always is a better practice target.



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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: NitroX]
      #24457 - 18/01/05 02:01 PM

In reply to:

Sounds all too technical to me.




Apparently some others have trouble understanding it as well.
Queenslanders and Territorians don't have any trouble with it though!


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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: 4seventy]
      #24458 - 18/01/05 02:03 PM

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Queenslanders and Territorians ...




Ha ha. Good one.

If I manage another double discharge, does that mean I get a double score (at least) plus a bonus for stupidity.



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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: NitroX]
      #24459 - 18/01/05 02:09 PM

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If I manage another double discharge, does that mean I get a double score (at least) plus a bonus for stupidity.





I think a "special clause" was introduced just "especially" for "southerners" with "special" needs!
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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: NitroX]
      #24475 - 18/01/05 04:46 PM

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Of course, the best double rifle practice used to be the good old bomb-up of feral pigs and goats.




I agree.
My 470 for example has fired over 200 shots since I've had it.
Doesn't sound like much.
But then only 10 of those shots were not at animals.
I shot 6 checking regulation and sighting and another 4 over the chrony.
Regulation was perfect, sighting was easily sorted and the velocity was good.
So then I took it hunting!
I have other doubles as well as the 470 and some of these have shot many hundreds of hunting rounds and they rarely see paper targets of any kind.

Incidently, the fellas I referred to in the top end do have a lot of fun at their shoots but I should add that a couple of these guys have shot more NT buff with quality rifles than anyone on this planet!
These guys were into SERIOUS double rifle useage long before the current rebirth of DR interest.


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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: NitroX]
      #24556 - 19/01/05 07:01 PM

to NITROX, Dugaboy, et. al. (and esp. my buds in the USA)
I totally agree with very much of what has been said...
"paper" targets simply do NOT afford enough "pizzazz". HENCE the "new game" I have invented..."Classic and Action Doubles Society"... Double rifles, Double bbl. shotguns, and Double action revolvers... Steel, wood, clay, paper targets...close up and personal, and "out there a bit"...give me a shout and I'll send you the full package of rules etc. (absolutely the most fun you can have with a pith helmet on) Matchs start in April...southern Indiana.
e-mail me at Southpawtoo@aol.com or call me @ 812-866-2406 (this is NOT going to be a "snob shoot"...)


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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #25165 - 26/01/05 01:38 AM

Dear Mac,
Rusty recently told me you shoot a .500/.450 #1 BPE. If so, have you ever had experience using over sized .45 Colt cast bullets in it? I've had a difficult time getting my old H&H to reg. with straight BP loads. If I go to duplex loads, or 777 it shoots fine. But I am wondering about the lighter bullets...any ideas?
Thanks for your time.
Don (southpaw too)

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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: SOUTHPAWTOO]
      #25167 - 26/01/05 01:49 AM

Make sure to remind us as it gets closer.

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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: bonanza]
      #25199 - 26/01/05 12:31 PM

Please advise of your next shoot.
Several double shooters from the
San Antonio area would like to
attend.

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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: NitroX]
      #25234 - 27/01/05 07:41 AM

In reply to:

Personally shooting a bunch of numbered circles does absolutely NOTHING for me. I like to hunt with my rifles and prefer to shoot game targets. Photos or cut-outs of a deer, or pig, or buffalo.




NitroX,

I definatly agree with you. But I do sometimes shoot at circular targets, usually only when sighting in a scope etc. And because I still have quite a lot of small, 30 meter circular targets I "borrowed" from the military.

Most shooting I do is on fullsized Reindeer targets (the standard used when taking the yearly "big game shooting test" we have here in Norway). Or fullsized roedeer targets.

Once a year, before the moose hunt starts, we have a shooting competition between our "hunting team" (10 people), and our nabouring "hunting team". This is at various animal figures, such as reindeer, badgers, roedeer, hare, and fox. 5 shots at each target, and 5 differant targets (a maximum of 125 points is possible). The distances vary from 100 meters to 40 meters, and all shooting is done while sitting on cut up tree stumps (to simulate shooting while sitting in the forest). The targets are set up in 5 differant locations along the side of a road we use (towards a safe backround naturally), and 5 guys go off at a time up the road and rotate/continue to the next target area when finished with the targets they were shooing at. So you get to walk a bit too, which is good as it gets the pulse going a little.

2 of us use our 375H&Hs, while the rest are the common moose caliburs of 30-06, .308 and the odd 6.5x55. The funny thing is that the 2 of us that use the .375 usually win, or come in second place.

Since this yearly competition began some years ago, the level of marksmanship has risen a lot amongst our hunting team members. The reason is simple; the object is not to personnally win (although that's nice too!), but for our team to beat our nabours team! It's a matter of honor!

It's not bigbores or doubles, but at least it's towards animal shaped targets!

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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: EricD]
      #25242 - 27/01/05 12:40 PM

A local shooting range that was in the middle of a sandstone quarry used two methods of shooting I enjoyed immensely. One was a tire with a sheet of plywood in the center and painted white that was rolled down hill and we shot at it while rolling. The other was a target that was suspended from wheels that rolled on a wire that was stretched between two posts about 300 feet apart and we shot at that while it was moving.

The tire was far more challenging as it got to bouncing.....possibly a little more like a Kangaroo for you folks down under.

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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: NitroX]
      #25978 - 10/02/05 01:15 AM

While I would agree that perhaps paper targets are not all that "interesting'. They never the less do provide a chance for the shooter to see just how well he and his rifle/ammo combinations are doing.
The matches that I have been shooting in, require both paper and life sized targets to be shot with time limits so there is plenty of chances to screw things up.
And as all of the rifles are hammer guns and shooting black powder as well as lead bullets, fouling does become an issue to contend with.
I am looking foward to "SOUTHPAWTOO" upcoming match in April. I am sure it will be an interesting experience at least for me as well as a chance to get out and make smoke and noise for the day.
I tend to believe that it is not the number of rounds down range that count, rather the number that are on target that matters be it paper or hair.


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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: 500BPE]
      #26031 - 10/02/05 02:22 PM

Don (SP2):
Have you given any thought to following the shoot formats for the Big Game Rifle Club in your up-coming event? With the first one already held in the US, we are all hoping it will become a widely-accepted format for Big Game Rifle shooting world-wide, and hence foster international competition at a broader level.

Strict adherence to the formal rules is only required at National Events, so plenty of local flavour can be added. Here's how we did it in the Northern Territory last year:

NT Big Game Shoot

Courses of Fire

However its played, the business of range practice with your big-bore is crucial to success in the hunting field IMHO.

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Re: Target shooting with your doubles & big bores [Re: Marrakai]
      #26291 - 14/02/05 11:46 PM

Friend Marrakai,
I read the links you sent. Thank you, it sounds like you folks had a very good time. And yes, I was aware of the "OZ" type match shot in Wisconsin last fall. I wanted to go, but other matters took its place. What it is that I am starting is not "only" a shoot for Double Rifles, but a match that would also encompass the use of the Double Shotgun and Double Action Revolver. An "ACTION" type game, not just a "paper target" game. There is nothing wrong with shooting paper but I just want a bit more "FLAIR" and "EXCITEMENT", and thus movement of the shooter. Something that would more closely resemble an actual hunting or safari type scenario. (I doubt that I will ever see the shores of Africa or for that matter "The Land of OZ", so I'll have to contend myself with fantasy recreations.) Thank you very much for your reply.
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