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416 Rem. 350 grain vs. 375 H&H versatility.
      #262890 - 29/03/15 02:51 AM

I would like to hear your opinions on how the 416 Rem Mag with 350 gr. TSX bullets would stack up against a 375 for versatility. It seems like it would handle the same game on both ends of the spectrum, albeit with a little more recoil. Then you could step up to 400 gr. bullets for elephant if needed.
Thoughts?

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Re: 416 Rem. 350 grain vs. 375 H&H versatility. [Re: TOBY458]
      #262892 - 29/03/15 03:06 AM

If they made a 300gr. TSX, I think I'd agree. I see the highest vel. listed for the 350 TSX as being mid 2,600's.

Since the .375 is capable of shooting a 225gr. with as high a BC as the 350 TSX, at a speed of 2,900fps to 3,000fps, the .375's long range capability exceeds that of the .416.

Does anyone use them? I don't know. I have developed my own loads for that 225gr.Spire Point to 2,860fps in my .375/06IMP and with that bullet's 1/16" thick jacket ie: .0625", it should penetrate fairly well.

This site's member 9.3x57, has done some penetration tests with this bullet on his game, steer heads and other paraphernalia and so far, the 225gr. exceeds all expectations & matches much heavier, more common bullets from the same .375H&H and 9.3's(when sized down).

The 225gr. is VERY much flatter shooting than a 270gr. TSX at 2,650fps from this same rifle.

Thus, the .416might come close with a 350gr.TSX- certainly will pen more deeply and maybe it's even close enough in ranges that matter?

However, technically speaking, the .375 is MUCH flatter shooting over ranges that perhaps may or may not be applicable. The 'extra' 350fps to 400fps does work to that advantage if needed. Is it needed?

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Re: 416 Rem. 350 grain vs. 375 H&H versatility. [Re: DarylS]
      #262894 - 29/03/15 03:21 AM

I guess my only argument with shooting the light weight bullets in the 375 would be in the case of hunting multiple species on the same hunt. That being said, it would seem like a good idea to at least stay at 270 gr. or above, especially since the point of impact would likely be way different between the light weights and the heavier bullets. That being said, the 375 and 416 are much closer in trajectory, although not quite the same. The reason I'm asking, is that I'm trying to decide between my 416 and my 375 Ruger for a cape buffalo/plains game hunt. I would most likely only take 1 gun if I ever get to go.

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Re: 416 Rem. 350 grain vs. 375 H&H versatility. [Re: TOBY458]
      #262904 - 29/03/15 09:22 AM

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I guess my only argument with shooting the light weight bullets in the 375 would be in the case of hunting multiple species on the same hunt. That being said, it would seem like a good idea to at least stay at 270 gr. or above, especially since the point of impact would likely be way different between the light weights and the heavier bullets. That being said, the 375 and 416 are much closer in trajectory, although not quite the same. The reason I'm asking, is that I'm trying to decide between my 416 and my 375 Ruger for a cape buffalo/plains game hunt. I would most likely only take 1 gun if I ever get to go.



re: highlighted text = not at all. Most .375's print all bullet weights rather closely - even some 9.3's show this trait as well.

All bullets from 225gr. through 300gr. will go into a 3" group at 100yards, with the 225's and 235's striking in the bottom of that 3" circle, the 270 TSX hitting the middle and 300's from Hornady, Sierra and Normal all going into one small, barely an inch group at the top of the circle. That's NICE!

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Re: 416 Rem. 350 grain vs. 375 H&H versatility. [Re: TOBY458]
      #262910 - 29/03/15 05:23 PM

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I guess my only argument with shooting the light weight bullets in the 375 would be in the case of hunting multiple species on the same hunt. That being said, it would seem like a good idea to at least stay at 270 gr. or above, especially since the point of impact would likely be way different between the light weights and the heavier bullets. That being said, the 375 and 416 are much closer in trajectory, although not quite the same. The reason I'm asking, is that I'm trying to decide between my 416 and my 375 Ruger for a cape buffalo/plains game hunt. I would most likely only take 1 gun if I ever get to go.



if it were me, I'd take the 416 with a 350 to 400 grain bullet and learn the trajectory out to 400 mts. I would also have some solids and make sure they are shooting to the same point of impact as the soft nose out to at least 50mts.

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Re: 416 Rem. 350 grain vs. 375 H&H versatility. [Re: Rule303]
      #262922 - 30/03/15 07:17 AM

Take the 416 loaded with 400gr projectiles and you are good to go. I am thinking 200m will be a long shot anyway....

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Re: 416 Rem. 350 grain vs. 375 H&H versatility. [Re: Rule303]
      #262923 - 30/03/15 07:50 AM

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I guess my only argument with shooting the light weight bullets in the 375 would be in the case of hunting multiple species on the same hunt. That being said, it would seem like a good idea to at least stay at 270 gr. or above, especially since the point of impact would likely be way different between the light weights and the heavier bullets. That being said, the 375 and 416 are much closer in trajectory, although not quite the same. The reason I'm asking, is that I'm trying to decide between my 416 and my 375 Ruger for a cape buffalo/plains game hunt. I would most likely only take 1 gun if I ever get to go.



if it were me, I'd take the 416 with a 350 to 400 grain bullet and learn the trajectory out to 400 mts. I would also have some solids and make sure they are shooting to the same point of impact as the soft nose out to at least 50mts.


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You are almost never going to shoot 400 meters hunting in Africa..having said that if it were me, and it has been, I would take the 416 every time, especially for hunting buffalo. I have several .375's in the safe including a 375RUM and H&H's, but when I head to Africa I take the .416. I realize everyone has probably had different experiences, but the .416 hits noticeably harder on buff.. I have taken all of the big 5 with it with the exception of a rhino, which hopefully one day I will.

I agree with Daryl that you can probably, if you choose, load the really light loads for a 375 and get better trajectory, however in most cases I have seen while in Africa people are shooting the 270 gr or above ....

I have used 400 gr Swift A-Frames on the buffalo with really good results..have them loaded a little over 2400fps using RL-15..for solids have used Barnes --with my go to rifle both hit within 1" of one another at 100 yards..or roughly 92 mtrs..my last trip over there using that same load and having it sighted in dead on at 100, I practiced some shots at 200 and 250 just in case..on the 11th day while tracking elephant took a bush buck at a bit over 260yds with it..one shot--high shoulder..which is a really long shot for Zim per my experience. Most shots for buff will be under 100 yards. I would guess 40-75 average..some closer not too many further typically on buff. Plains game they can be further, however on my first trip there I had an issue with my plains game rifle and switched to the 416 on the 3rd day. That is all I used for the next 18 days on plains game with no complaints.

The 375 will do fine and will kill everything over there..and dead is dead..AND my opinions are very biased as I really enjoy the 416..and this info is probably worth exactly what you paid for it..


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Re: 416 Rem. 350 grain vs. 375 H&H versatility. [Re: Ripp]
      #262926 - 30/03/15 11:02 AM

Thanks for all of the replies. My nod will most likely go to the 416, especially since my 416 and 375 rifles are basically the same size and weight. And I would imagine 416 ammo would be a bit easier to find than the 375 Ruger, in the event of misplaced ammo.

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Re: 416 Rem. 350 grain vs. 375 H&H versatility. [Re: TOBY458]
      #262946 - 31/03/15 12:12 AM

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Thanks for all of the replies. My nod will most likely go to the 416, especially since my 416 and 375 rifles are basically the same size and weight. And I would imagine 416 ammo would be a bit easier to find than the 375 Ruger, in the event of misplaced ammo.



When I was over there last 3 of the PH's in camp had a .416 Rem ..either using it or as a second gun for clients..so it is common..think primarily because back then anyway, the Rem ammo was considerably cheaper than Rigby ammo...

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Re: 416 Rem. 350 grain vs. 375 H&H versatility. [Re: Ripp]
      #262947 - 31/03/15 12:30 AM

I think once one goes past the .375, one has passed the true point of a plains game rifle. After that, it is a bigger medium bore rifle, that can be used for plains game, but recoil and power has passed the plains game rifle status.

A .375 with a 235 gr bullet or a 250 or 270 gr is a lot less than a 300 or 350 gr .416.

For a lot of people also increased recoil affects their ability to aim accurately. A person who denies this is a BSer. It is a matter of perspective and when the relative recoil makes a difference.

So it is a matter of perspective and opinion, not fact or science, but for me, the .375 is a versatile allround rifle, the .416 is a versatile medium-big bore rifle that can still be used for plains game.

PS I like to go by the old ranges, big bores sort of start at .450, with the .375 to sub-.450's being medium bores. Most call anything above a .375 a big bore.

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Re: 416 Rem. 350 grain vs. 375 H&H versatility. [Re: NitroX]
      #262952 - 31/03/15 03:31 AM

I was thinking of the smaller varieties of antelope, where one might have preferred an '06 or .300 loaded with 150's.

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Re: 416 Rem. 350 grain vs. 375 H&H versatility. [Re: DarylS]
      #263074 - 03/04/15 11:52 AM

On a slightly different note, what is your opinion on ammo availability for 416 Rem Mag vs 375 Ruger in Africa and OZ? I doubt most people ever have their ammo lost on the flight, but just in case it happened, which caliber would be most available? I assume the H&H beats them all, but the two calibers I mentioned should be at least in the running, right?

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Re: 416 Rem. 350 grain vs. 375 H&H versatility. [Re: TOBY458]
      #263086 - 03/04/15 04:37 PM

.375 Ruger in Aust, IMO not a chance in hell. .416 Rem Mag, a small chance in hell.

And if Darwin also as hot as hell ... I had trouble buying some extra .375 H&H Mag ie none and even extra .308 Win loaded ammo in Darwin and Katherine once upon a time.

Other Aussies can correct me if their experiences are different. Sydney is a long way away from Arnhemland as well.

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Re: 416 Rem. 350 grain vs. 375 H&H versatility. [Re: NitroX]
      #263097 - 04/04/15 12:29 AM

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.375 Ruger in Aust, IMO not a chance in hell. .416 Rem Mag, a small chance in hell.

And if Darwin also as hot as hell ... I had trouble buying some extra .375 H&H Mag ie none and even extra .308 Win loaded ammo in Darwin and Katherine once upon a time.

Other Aussies can correct me if their experiences are different. Sydney is a long way away from Arnhemland as well.



Agree with the above--while my experiece may just have been a coincidence, there were several in 416 Rem. in camp when I was last there . ..pretty sure that will NOT always be the case..


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