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Ash
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4, 6 and 8 Bores Up for Auction
      #262623 - 21/03/15 09:39 PM

Well, more like a 6 and two 8's, but ya know! Very low estimates.

http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/64/lid/159

http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/64/lid/158

http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/64/lid/3245

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Re: 4, 6 and 8 Bores Up for Auction [Re: Ash]
      #262736 - 24/03/15 06:04 PM

No one interested?

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Re: 4, 6 and 8 Bores Up for Auction [Re: Ash]
      #262740 - 24/03/15 08:40 PM

I would like that 8 Bore but ummm the price is way beyond my wallet !

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Re: 4, 6 and 8 Bores Up for Auction [Re: 500Boswell]
      #262743 - 24/03/15 09:53 PM

Had to laugh at the "6" Bore. RIA needs to open up a new can of gun appraisers! The proof marks were read upside down and instead of a 1/6 being a 6 Bore it is actually a 9/1 which is the normal proof for a paper case 8 Bore. Still a nice rifle though. My 17 pound 12 ounce 8 Bore double rifle is also a "9" proof. Also, why NEVER a mention of bore condition. Did you notice the weight of the Perrins 8 Bore? 12 pounds? OUCH. It appears to be recently totally reconditioned. WAY over estimated on value, has been around for a while.

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Re: 4, 6 and 8 Bores Up for Auction [Re: 8borerifle]
      #262749 - 25/03/15 06:00 AM

That colour case on the bottom 8 bore is more brilliant than any I've seen on originals. That may or may not mean anything, but it appears to be 'modern' colour case.

Bore condition was missing.

The bottom 8 bore had rough muzzles - interesting - I did not expect that. Disappointed in the machining - small point, but they should have been finished.

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Re: 4, 6 and 8 Bores Up for Auction [Re: DarylS]
      #262772 - 25/03/15 10:58 PM

Daryl, look at the picture of the top of the action of the Perrins (last rifle). There is a gap in front of the dolls head extension. That is indicative of having been tightened up or re joined after warping during color hardening.

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Re: 4, 6 and 8 Bores Up for Auction [Re: 8borerifle]
      #262777 - 26/03/15 01:59 AM

The Perrins is way over valued. The 4 Cortney is undervalued by a huge amount. If I was the owner, I would pull it out.
I agree with the poster who said RIA needs a new group of appraisers.
Bore condition SHOULD be mentioned.
The errors in their catalogs are one reason I don't sell at auction. Ido buy, however.
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Re: 4, 6 and 8 Bores Up for Auction [Re: 8borerifle]
      #262778 - 26/03/15 02:25 AM

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Daryl, look at the picture of the top of the action of the Perrins (last rifle). There is a gap in front of the dolls head extension. That is indicative of having been tightened up or re joined after warping during color hardening.



I think I see what you mean - tiny gap at the right front and rear edge of the Doll's Head?
Those muzzles really bother me. Chamfered with a dull, nicked tool. Too, there is lead missing form the joints at the muzzle. The front sight base does not appear to be original- at all.
Gorgeous looking rifle in the pictures, though.

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Re: 4, 6 and 8 Bores Up for Auction [Re: DarylS]
      #262798 - 26/03/15 09:41 AM

Daryl you can see this much better if you go clear to the left on the picture of the top of the barrels. My 8 Bore has a dolls head and it fits tight all the way around. When a double rifle is rejoined the breach end of the barrels sometimes need to be filed to fit the breach again. This moves the dolls head back and creates a gap as the dolls head has to be filed to fit the action again. My experience is that the bigger the action that is re-color hardened the more chance of warping.

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Re: 4, 6 and 8 Bores Up for Auction [Re: 8borerifle]
      #262817 - 27/03/15 03:52 AM



Yes - quite obvious in this picture.

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Re: 4, 6 and 8 Bores Up for Auction [Re: DarylS]
      #262873 - 28/03/15 02:59 PM

nice gun

http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/64/lid/3245

Manufactured circa 1885. This is an extraordinary example of a Perrins & Son Big Bore Double rifle. Damascus barrels with a solid rib fitted with a blade front sight and two leaf (one fixed, one folding) rear sight with 50 and 100 yard markings. There is a sling swivel eye mounted on the underside of the barrels. The rib is matted with a dolls head extension and a panel behind the rear sight marked "PERRINS & SON 59 BROAD ST WORCESTER". The flats are marked with Birmingham proofs. The locks, receiver, hammers, trigger guard, forearm hardware and under lever are nicely decorated with fine English scroll engraving and each lock is marked "PERRINS & SON". The water table is marked with two Birmingham proofmarks. The barrels are brown, the trigger guard is blue and the remaining metal parts are casehardened. Mounted with a nicely figured English multi-point checkered walnut splinter forearm with a horn forend insert and pistol grip stock with teardrop flats, horn grip cap, solid recoil pad, silver initial oval and sling swivel eye. Measurements - Bore Diameter at Muzzle: .875 inch, Wall Thickness: .184 at 9 inches from breech, Chamber Length: 4 inches, Length of Pull: 14 1/4 inches, Drop at Comb: 1 3/4 inches, Drop at Heel: 2 1/4 inches, Cast: neutral, Toe: neutral, Overall Weight: 12 pounds 12 ounces. The rifle comes in a leather and oak case with brass corner protectors, leather straps and handle and green felt lining. In the case are two snap caps, 4 brass 8 bore casings, one lead 8 bore bullet and a 577 nitro brass casing. Also comes with a canvas cover for the case. John Perrins established his business as a Master Gunmaker in Worcester in 1831. In 1855 the business became Perrins & Son when his eldest son John joined him as a partner. As the company grew, they moved to larger premises and while at the company's Mealcheapen Street location in 1862 John Perrins died and was followed by his son John 4 years later. Another son, Henry, took over and expanded the business in the golden years of English gunmaking from 1866 on and in 1879 moved to the prestigious premises at 59 Broad Street in Worcester.



















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Re: 4, 6 and 8 Bores Up for Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #262898 - 29/03/15 07:26 AM

You are right Lancaster, that is a very impressive looking rifle! I really like the short barreled 8 Bores. This appears to be a brass case double rifle, however, why the 4" chamber in a 12 lb 12 oz double rifle. I had a Holland and Holland 8 Bore double rifle that weighed 16 1/2 pounds and had 3 3/4" chambers. It was a 12 dram rifle with rifling twist for a conical bullet. I would not want to shoot this rifle with 10 drams and a 1150 grain conical bullet! Compared to my current 8 Bore, with the same charge this light rifle would recoil 1 1/2 times my double rifle and the recoil velocity would go from 20 fps to 27 fps!OUCH!!!!!

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Re: 4, 6 and 8 Bores Up for Auction [Re: 8borerifle]
      #262903 - 29/03/15 09:18 AM

Sure in nice looking - but too light for this broken down shooter.
I had an 8 pound double 12, that was a big rough (NASTY) shooting a mere 7 drams and a round ball!

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Re: 4, 6 and 8 Bores Up for Auction [Re: DarylS]
      #262907 - 29/03/15 12:49 PM

Daryl the recoil energy estimated of your 12 Bore with round ball is 80 foot pounds and 24 fps recoil velocity. That Perrins calculates to about 147 foot pounds of recoil energy at 27 fps recoil velocity. See what I mean? A 9 pound .458 Winchester works out to 67 foot pounds with 22 fps recoil velocity. I will say that I was shooting an 8 pound .458 one day along with an 8 Bore W W Greener double rifle I used to own and the .458 hurt much more than the 8 Bore which was a huge push.

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Re: 4, 6 and 8 Bores Up for Auction [Re: 8borerifle]
      #264478 - 02/05/15 08:06 PM

Prices realised!

4 bore went for $14,950.

the Wilkes 8 bore went for: $13,800

The Perrins 8 bore went for: $37,350

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