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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #262251 - 15/03/15 01:17 AM

0,70" Randschlussspiegel SN 18367
http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Odd%20Fel...%20Shotgun.html





















a 0,34" Damengewehr(Lady's rifle) faucet breech needle fire cabine http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=471451618 SN 8354
despite the fact it was called Lady's rifle I assume most of this little carbines were bought as a boy gun. the 0,34" cartridge give probably the ballistic of a 9mm Fobert BB cap but was cheaper because of the paper case. remember a metall cartridge case cost up to 50% alone of the cartridge total price.


















having the same four deep grooves the military rifle have, very typical for this gunmaker







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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #262323 - 16/03/15 05:22 AM

this 0,34" lady's rifle have the early SN 2274 so probably made before the war of 1870/71
its for sale here http://www.waffen-beste.de/html/bes__raritaten_.html

interesting detail pics showing how the action works














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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #262602 - 21/03/15 04:01 PM

this 0,34" have the SN 12042
http://www.antique-firearms.de/?id=2&ant=2331&kt=0







old bullet mould for the military cartridge "old model"
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5383999











called "Langblei"



while I still looking about for informations about the old style Dreyse shotgun paper cartridges here is another needle fire double gun for such ammo
11 bore Speckhaun Needle Fire shotgun
http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Odd%20Fel...%20shotgun..htm




























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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #262905 - 29/03/15 11:32 AM

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the DR in 11,15x60R Mauser on the modified action we had seen here before is now for sale

UNUSUAL F. V. DREYSE DOUBLE RIFLE WITH CARTRIDGES.

SN 34230. Cal. 11mm Mauser. 25-3/4″ Bbls are gold inlaid “F. V. DREYSE SOMMERDA” on silver wire inlaid bordered area on full length matted rib. One standing, one folding leaf rear sight is dovetailed through rib, as is a silver bead front sight. Bottoms of bbls are stamped with German imperial black powder proofs and SN. Unusual action with in-line coil spring strikers, a holdover from needle fire design, is combined with a long steel forward pivoting underlever similar to that found on Collath guns. Moving lever to the left and back cams bbl set forward away from breech discs, and then pivots them to the right side, at the same time cocking action. Gun automatically closes when lever is returned to forward position. “Cal: 11 mm” is engraved on water table and exposed when action is open. Firing pin housing, trigger plate, and other metal parts are engraved with exceptionally well cut, various sized open shaded scroll. There is more scroll silver wire inlay on rib extension. Both triggers are set. Trigger guard is of horn. Nicely fiddle figured European walnut stock measures 14-1/4″ over engraved steel buttplate with trap, which covers space for three cartridges. Stock has small right hand cheekpiece and point pattern checkering with mullered borders at grip, as well as checkered panels that extend along toe line, and around sling loop matching that on bottom of bbls. Drop at heel: approx 2-3/4″, drop at comb: approx 1-5/8″. Weight: 6 lbs 15 oz. LOP: 14-1/4″. Also included are 35 custom cartridges and 5 empty brass in Winchester Western boxes marked “11 MM Mauser 387 GRS”. CONDITION: Good, as partially refinished. Bbls retain a considerable amount of what appears to be their orig blue, with considerable light frosting and thinning overall. All other metal parts are cleaned to coin finish. Stock retains nearly all of a hand rubbed oil finish over light marks, checkering cleaned up. Bores are very fine, strong rifling throughout, dark in grooves at breech ends. Action works smoothly. Triggers set. Older custom cartridges are slightly tarnished. A really neat lightweight rifle. 4-54053 (3,000-5,000)









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This rifle sold for $4000 US. Right in line with what wa suggested by Lancaster. Thanks for all your help.


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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: cwilson]
      #263047 - 02/04/15 06:19 PM

little correction, the nice 0,34" stutzen on page 3 here have the SN 8066
thanks to mister hartmut burger/http://antiquefirearms.de/?id=vtemp&tl=lang


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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #265051 - 17/05/15 03:05 AM

if there is anything more rare than such a Dreyse Jäger rifle
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5463128










it must be this muzzle loading Jäger Rifle M 1835 build into a needle fire Jäger Rifle U/M
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5449619














it will end hiiiiiigh!

will make a nice pair with such a Liege made muzzle loading Jäger Rifle rebuild as a breech loader in denmark for the 17x27 Rimfire


if there is anything I realy like its such an old Jäger rifle

typical german target rifle in 8,15x46R build by Dreyse with an medium size patent action
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5454484, I ask for the serial number and got it SN 28824















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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #265528 - 26/05/15 03:08 AM

for the archive the needle fire converted muzzle loader Jäger Büchse sold on egun for 3487 euro, not bad
and before I lost it this shows a belgian made dreyse copy build into a civilan hunting rifle





this 11mm/16 ga combination gun was here on page 2 before
http://www.gunsinternational.com/DREYSE-DBL-COMBINATION-RIFLE-SHOTGUN.cfm?gun_id=100475090







anyone in the united states knows this dealer and can ask for the SN?


a 0,70" what the seller here gives as SN
http://www.gunsinternational.com/F-V-Dreyse-16g-with-swing-right-barrels-.cfm?gun_id=100546158











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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #267099 - 28/06/15 10:38 PM

in the beginning I thought it was possible that needle fire revolver were in the sporting gun serial range but that was not the best idea, another good example that revolver made in masses had own serial numbers is this Franz v. Dreyse M 79 revolver for the civilian market, most likely for private purchase by officer's, with the SN 277














http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=490895632

the Rheinmetall - Dreyse/ Sömmerda pistol carbine M 1907 in 7,65 Br./32 ACP is normally not part o this thread but here is an interesting example I have not other place to safe the pics.

its one of the carbines bought for the police in saxony and it seems sometimes later sporterised by Carl Gründig/ court gunmaker in Dresden/Saxony
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=491664430



















the 32 ACP is not a real power horse but the little carbine saw some use as a hunting carbine. its possiblew to shoot roe deer with 22lr and so the little browning cartridge was able to do the same. its seems it was loved by poacher because of the little noise it was making. there is at least one case I remember where a forester was shoot by a poacher with such a carbine in germany.
this is the original sporting version of this little rifle:











http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5507797#img

and here in action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4TIDsiOwJk

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #268269 - 21/07/15 02:30 AM

another double where its not possible to see the SN
must be a 0,74" or a 0,70" with "Rotationsstück" in the right barrel




all I can see is xx688


















http://archives.collectorsfirearms.com/?category=934&page=14&category=&product=as43


a "Traubengewehr" or also called Dreyse Lady's rifle
SN looks like 7667 ?














http://archives.collectorsfirearms.com/?category=905&page=4&category=&product=AL3336

target rifle with the rare Dreyse falling block action, we had only a target pistol SN 29973 here before. this action must be very late and made in the end of the 1880s.



















http://archives.collectorsfirearms.com/?...;product=R14481



find it again
hunting rifle with a Mauser 71 action in 10,5x47R

SN 23797 so made in the early 1880s







this is the patent for our welknown double guns with barrels moving to the right side but with sidelock's given the 30.5.1891 and not renewed five years later. I think we can say double guns with this action are made after 6/1891.









this double gun here is chambered for the 12 ga center fire shell, also the common proof after 1993



a similar 12 ga SN 33290 is her on page 2 and another sidelock 20 ga but with falling barrels like a Collath action is on page 4





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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #268494 - 25/07/15 01:37 AM

another sidelock action 16 ga double gun,SN 33776 with N.v.Dreyse on the barrels
because the highest number with F.v.Dreyse is 34230 this double gun here was probably in the white and not sold before Franz dying in 1894 and his son(again) Nikolaus get the firm
http://www.hermann-historica-archiv.de/







coming with 9,3,72R/16/65 combination gun barrels marked with Waffen Jung / Stuttgart

seems this SN 34230 is very near to the time of death of Franz in 1994


think I had this double gun before but identified it now as SN 9181 Dreyse in Sömmerda on the barrels
probably 0,74"






http://www.hermann-historica-archiv.de/

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #269086 - 09/08/15 02:32 PM

combination gun with hammers and underlever, 9,5 mm and 16ga
N.v.Dreyse SN 36613



http://www.dorotheum.com/auktionen/aukti...erda.html?img=1


another single shot pistol with the small rifle action in 0,34" "Damen Gewehr"
SN 11600



http://www.landshuter-ruestkammer.de/pdfs/2015_Bildteil_1-52.pdf
http://www.landshuter-ruestkammer.de/pdfs/2015_Textteil_1.pdf

not realy a sporting rifle I have to save this because of the SN

this is a Dreyse Project of a military rifle with Dreyse patent action and smooth barrel with "Rotationsstück" in 11,15x60R SN 17017 "F.v.Dreyse"
some small parts coming from a Mauser 71 rifle and this thing was made as an alternative to the Mauser 71 when problems with the Mauser barrel comming to surface.



file:///C:/Users/abc/Desktop/Documents/Hermann%20Historica%20-%20Internationales%20Auktionshaus%20f%C3%BCr%20Antiken,%20Alte%20Waffen,%20Orden%20und%20Ehrenzeichen,%20Historische%20Sammlungsst%C3%BCcke.htm

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #269397 - 19/08/15 04:15 AM

what is given as F.v. Dreyse 0,70" with serial number 50730 its probably SN 30730
this is clearly the last version of the old double gun model with common shotshell extractor also for 0,70" needle fire cartridge, the system being made more slimmer and the new trigger's

http://www.hermann-historica.de/db2_de/auktion-70.html







0,34" Damengewehr SN 2152
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5565986






















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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #270412 - 12/09/15 03:48 PM

here was clearly a Dreyse stocked by an amateur http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/dreyse-25756/i3969500/
looks not good but is important for me because I have a gap between 24xxx and 28xxx in serial number list
SN 25756 , thinks its 0,70"





















if you compare it with the gun SN 30730 you will notice its a transition model having the old triggers

30730, the new trigger's



25756, old style triggers




but also the new slimmer receiver. in fact its now the gun with the lowest SN showing this modification.



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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #270741 - 20/09/15 11:15 PM

combination hammer gun in 16/65 and unknown bullet kaliber F.v.Dreyse SN 33427
given as an shooting award in 1894

http://imgur.com/gallery/ASpIF





















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"MAGNIFICENT CASED PAIR OF DREYSE NEEDLEFIRE UNDERLEVER DUELLING PATTERN PISTOLS. SN 21372, 21374. Cal. 9.5mm. Superb pair of matching, nearly new Dreyse needlefire pistols with 7.5″ bbls and an overall length of 14.25″ The front sight is drift adjustable; screw fixation allows the rear sight to be more precisely adjusted. The top of the barrel is marked “F.v. DREYSE SOMMERDA”. A light scroll adorns the receiver behind the sight, the backstrap, the grip cap, the underlever and trigger guard. The bbl and receiver are blued. The other metal parts were generally left in the white, or possibly case hardened, for their tone is a very attractive and uniform grey, that highlights the engraving. In keeping with the high-art profile of these guns, every screw head has been engraved. The screw securing the underlever anchor in the forend is fire blued, as is the flat spring on the right side of the barrel and the lanyard at the base of each grip cap. The extractor, mounted on the left side of the barrel, is strawed. To open the breech, the underlever is disengaged from its retaining station and rotated counter clockwise. This action moves the barrel forward, while keeping the extractor in place, cocks the firing pin, then swings the barrel counterclockwise to expose the chamber. On the metal projection in the forend, now uncovered by the bbl, is marked “Med :Patr/ 9.5mm2/24 Pulv.” Opened in this manner, a matching serial number is evident under the barrel, just beyond the forend, and repeated on the inner surface of the underlever. To remove the color case hardened bolt, one simply needs to depress the checkered spring at its rear and retract, pulling the trigger to free the bolt from the receiver. As expected, wear to this area is negligible. The guns are finished with densely grained walnut stocks, finely checkered in a broad area on each side of the grip. The pair of guns come in a nicely fitted oak case, with a brass handle in the center of the lid, brass fittings, that is secured with a centrally keyed lock. The case is lined with dark green felt and compartmentalized for the pair of pistols, and an equally ornate brass tipped cleaning rod. There are also two smaller lidded compartments. One holds some cleaning cloths, the other a pair of oil droppers. PROVENANCE: Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess Collection. CONDITION: The pair of pistols is truly superb. #21372 has a small pressure dent on the left side of the stock above the trigger and two similar size dents on the right side: one above the trigger, the other near the front of the forend. A few diamonds are missing from the right side of the checkering. #21374 has some minor spotting of the fire blued bbl spring and a few scattered handling dings. Neither gun has any appreciable use-related wear. Bores are mirror-bright with sharp rifling. Comparable condition cleaning rod. The lid of the case has a longitudinal crack that runs near the center but does not affect its utility. A second crack, 4″ long, runs along the back on the right side. The felt is well kept, showing only a few scuffs at the usual pressure points and minimal staining. Overall, a stunning set of early Dreyse, needlefire, underlever pistols. 4-52174 LMA111 (15,000-20,000) "
http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-3181-mag...-pistols-52174/











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Baden customs patent rifle SN 13779
https://www.bidsquare.com/l/326/german-dreyse-border-guard-needle-carbine















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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #271050 - 27/09/15 11:50 PM

finaly I got the SN for unique sidelock double gun with breaking barrels similar to collath guns
SN 34831

the lowest SN for a N.v.Dreyse gun so proably made in 1894, complete german proof after 1893 and chambered for the 0,70" Randschluss cartridge but I think common shotgun primer and not for needle primer anymore















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      #271270 - 03/10/15 02:23 PM

very unique brass covered Dreyse double gun http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5612918
think its very old for dealing with a broken stock not nice but useful

SN looks like 7893 what makes it a pre 1870 gun. very unusual cartridge designation " 16,6mm J.Patr: 16,6mm" - Jagd Patrone = Hunting Cartridge 16,6mm ?
anyway, I think its one of the Randschlussspiegel needle fire cartridges but maybe they thought for a whil to change the inch caliber designations into metric.

































the stock still have the old tip for holding the cleaning rod so its some kind of a transition gun.


same seller have a beautyful 1865 Jäger rifle for sale. this is reason we call it the good old times
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5612938










































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      #272895 - 08/11/15 11:49 PM

beautiful 0,70" double gun for sale, SN is probably 14552
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5665436



















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      #273309 - 15/11/15 09:12 PM

http://www.armsbid.com/lot_detail.cfm?lot_id=12843

one of the early bolt action hunting rifles, which cartridge is still unknown but I suspect it shoot the common military paper cartridge. I see it made in the middle of the 1860s.



"Single shot bolt action -rare needle fire sporting action - 27.25" swamped octagon barrel, dovetail blade front, adjustable rear sight - walnut stock - legible markings - pleasing even patina on barrel with small spots of rust that might be carefully cleaned; platinum ring at muzzle. Frame, bolt handle, buttplate, escutcheons, ornate patch box, and trigger guard are all soft gray (silver plate?) with good quality period scroll engraving. Barrel marked 'v. Dreyske. Sommerda.'; right side frame 'Cal. d. Zdsn. 0.60'-5/24 Pulv.' Horn flared nose cap and trigger guard extension. Sound full length stock shows usage marks and sharp checkering; raised relief mock ramrod channel rib on underside of stock. Double set trigger. Working. - - Yr Mfg - NRA fine - SN 2798 - EST 1500-3000 - antq - 17HGPSC068"


http://www.ima-usa.com/original-16-bore-...circa-1870.html

to bad the seller did everything to hide the SN while making such good pics. the center fire extrator and the slimmed action will place it probably in 18883-1885 as earliest time but the additional disc's on the breech end were seen late around 1890.
with the old style needle fire triggers one of the transition guns.
very unusual is the cartridge designation " Pappcart: Cal: 16 " means probably "Pappcarton"(modern german Pappkarton) or in english cardboard so its chambered for the common 16 ga. paper shell.













































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      #275108 - 15/12/15 06:04 AM

in auction last week in italy were it was sold for 1300 euro + its an interesting sporterized M 65 Jägerbüchse
http://www.czernys.com/auctions_lot.php?lotto=653&asta=55&submit=+view
















"categoria: FUCILI MILITARI
provenienza: Germania
datazione: terzo quarto del XIX Sec.

descrizione: Canna ottagonale, rigata marcata alla base "STAHL", matricola "8615" e diversi punzoni, alzo variabile e mirino, cal. 15 mm; l'otturatore marcato "Sömmerda NvD", "B.B. Mod. 65", matricola e data di produzione "1868". Cassa in legno con fornimenti in ottone e ferro. Stecher.

condizioni: molto buone
dimensioni: lunghezza 111.5 cm.

aggiudicato: 1300.00 € (base d'asta 1200.00 €)"

Baden custum rifle SN 14057 http://www.stauffer-auktionen.de/unsere-aktuelle-auktion/schusswaffen.html

0,34" lady's rifle SN 3400 http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=274988&an=0&page=0#Post274988

SN 25728 combination gun http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/11257/lot/174/

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A Prussian Dreyse Patent D.B. Breech-Loading Needle-Fire 120-Bore Rifle And 18-Bore Shotgun
No. 25728, Circa 1880
With browned sighted barrels with matted side-elevated rib, breeches each with circular 'Ehrharlt Lauf' mark and engraved 'Rhein. Met. V. Masch-Fabr. Abt. Sömmerda Gewehrfabrik.', the barrels pivoting to the right for loading and the action cocked by the engraved under-lever, twist chambers finely engraved with scrollwork, figured half-stock, butt with cheekpiece and carved with foliage on either side of the chequered grip, scroll engraved steel mounts comprising butt-plate and fore-end cap, horn trigger-guard with spur tang pierced with scrolls, set trigger, and sling loops
68.2 cm. barrels [P. 651] "



so it got new combination gun barrels after 1901 when Dreyse was completely absorbed into Rheinmetall/Ehrhardt

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      #275473 - 22/12/15 09:23 PM

this is a till know realy "unknown" dreyse needle fire stalking rifle model here SN 5617 and made around 1865. it is never described in gun literature and not mentioned in old books anywhere. I know 4 rifles ( two rifles can be seen in the thread) of this typ in 0,60" and 0,49" where the rifle in 0,60" probably shoots the prussian military cartridge.
this excellent pics coming from kudua and showing the action in detail. the rifle is chambered for a paper cartridge with 0,49"(12,81m) Zündspiegel - means the rolled paper sabot. the bullet was maybe in the 11-11,5mm range. the gun came from the estate of Prince Heinrich von Preussen, brother of Kaiser Willy and born in 1862.

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      #275713 - 28/12/15 02:55 PM

16 ga hammer gun SN 27755 with 1 1/2" rifled chamber insert for the 40 mm long 16 ga bullet cartridge right and lefts side. no doubt had also smooth inserts once but this is lost somewhere.
http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-3160-dreyse-16-gauge-double-combination-rifle-shotgun-53102/

"DREYSE 16 GAUGE DOUBLE COMBINATION RIFLE/SHOTGUN. SN 27755. Cal. 16 ga 1-1/2″ Chambers. 30-1/4″ Steel bbls are marked “F. v. DREYSE” and “SOMMERDA.” as well as “PATENT”, on full length flat rib, fitted with folding U-notch rear sight, and German silver barleycorn front. Bbls are fitted with unusual semi-permanent inserts with short chambers having forward section rifled for approx 2″ with four extremely deep lands (Consignor states “Per Dreyse patent” see also the patent model for this leed rifling design elsewhere in this catalog). Remainder of bbls are smooth. This appears to be a variation on the Paradox system to combine capability of using ball and shot in the same firearm. Inserts have integral ears that project beyond sides of bbls to allow removal and exchange for unrifled shot chambers (not included). Round bodied, forward lever action is fitted with peninsula rebounding back action locks with serpentine hammers. Action and locks are engraved with geometric borders. Both triggers are set. Steel trigger guard has carved horn grip extension. Well-marbled European walnut buttstock measures 14-1/8″ over steel buttplate engraved with SN. Bbls attach to captive forend with pivoting lever at front of forend. Bore diameter: left-.657, right -.658. Bore restrictions: left -.000, right -.000. Wall thickness: left -.042, right -.040. Drop at heel: approx 2-1/4″, drop at comb: approx 1-1/2″. Weight: 7 lbs. 7 oz. LOP: 14-1/8″. PROVENANCE: Collection of Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess. CONDITION: Fine. Bbls retain most of their orig blue, with considerable freckling on left side, thinning overall, with numerous marks and light scratches. There is a slight dent 11″ back from muzzle on side of left bbl. Action and lockplates retain 30 – 40% orig case hardening color with evidence of some cleaning. Stocks retain most of their orig oil finish with numerous marks and scratches, some fairly deep. Bores are excellent. Action is tight. Locks are crisp. Action screw replaced. "











double gun SN 7579 for 0,70" or 0,74", needs some restauration
http://www.gunvaluesboard.com/hello-i-ha....-27903318.html







another hammergun No. 16 SN 28578 but this time with top lever
http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=ht..._D-QQrQMIrgEwLw












double gun with "Rotationstück" right and left SN 27618,the new slimmed down action and disc on the breech face, stock not original!



16 ga needle fire(?) double gun SN 25734 http://www.gunvaluesboard.com/f-v-dreyse-1475894.html











one of the old stalking rifles SN 1256 "500 bore" so probably 0,49" Zündspiegel cartridge
http://www.thomasdelmar.com/Catalogues/AS260607/page14.htm


medium size patent action rifle in 9,5x47R, SN not available










http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www_d...itemnum=8014966

hard to say if this is the 0,38" "kippender Zündnadeltechin" or just for the 11mm needle fire stalking rifle cartridge, SN 9728 so maybe just before 1870
https://eaukce.antiques-auctions.eu/en/a...onen?idimg=9596





















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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #276743 - 18/01/16 11:23 PM

0,70" SN 16550
"Dreyse Sommerda shotgun 20 gauge.
marked: "F. v. DREYSE SOMMERDA"
Gold inlaid street address on top plate to fore-end.
Revealed only when barrels open: "070 Randschlussp".
Self-cocking slide and swing action forward facing side swinging underlever.
Silver and gold inlaid scrolls on barrel breech; engraved fore-end cap, lever, engraved triggerplate; horn triggerguard. Checkered straight one piece stock of slightly figured walnut. Cheekpiece. Sling swivels. Steel buttplate.

Condition: Good as redone. Metal shows silver patina with older light pitting and some spotting. Bores show light pitting.

he action appears to be a modification to center fire of the Dreyse needle-fire action. Barrel dimensions: Bores: 0.662 /0.662 inches. Chokes: 0.00 /0.00 inches (Cylinder). Chambers: 2 inches. Proof: None. Stock Dimensions: Pull: 15 1/4 inches. Weight: 7 pounds, 4 ounces "
http://www.wapenhandelwagemakers.nl/shop/product_info.php/cPath/1_23/products_id/293























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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #277011 - 23/01/16 09:31 PM

another baden customs rifle for sale by Holt's making now 733 guns of this model in the hunting guns serial number's



SN 13324
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...429&image=0

got pics from the czech military museum in Prague for a another trial cavalry carbine with the action of the needle fire shotguns. probably we will see hunting rifles with this action in the future.
SN 7908, Cal.d.Zündspiegels 0,57"(a little bit smaller than the military cartridge)







crone+V proof mark?







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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #278647 - 29/02/16 09:12 PM

14 ga double gun so 0,74" SN 17688
with " a single leaf folding rear sight" probably Rotationsstück in one or two barrels



http://jamesdjulia.com/item/386-122/
waiting for the official Hermann Historica online catalog, the flyer http://www.hermann-historica.de/auktion72/pdf/flyer/A72_flyer.pdf
showing interesting stuff so a pair of Franz v. Dreyse duelling pistols in the box similar to another needle fire pistol sold in italy 2010






Goergen's Gun Shop was so kind to send me more pics for the combination gun SN 15247
http://www.goergensgunshop.com/index.php?p=1_9






to bad its not readable anymore
I believe this gun was changed later by Dreyse, its having centerfire extractor's that did not start before SN 23xxx and the holes in the action smelling like firing pins instead of needles.

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #279553 - 19/03/16 03:01 PM

carbine in 0,57" made as a trials rifle but with the quality of a sporting gun
SN 7184 http://www.hermann-historica.de/db2_de/onlinekatalogeneu.html









duelling pistols in the box, SN 13048 +13056
"Cal. d. Zdsp. 0,44" , property of the "The Earl of Erne Royal Horse Guards".
http://www.hermann-historica.de/db2_de/onlinekatalogeneu.html












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