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bwana1
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Krieghoff 500/416
#26137 - 12/02/05 01:15 AM

Any imput on the Krieghoff double and this round????Thanks

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NE450No2
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Re: Krieghoff 500/416 [Re: bwana1]
#26139 - 12/02/05 01:49 AM

A few months ago while on a hunt with the Double Rifle Shooters Society I handled and fired 2 rounds from a Krieghoff 500/416. At about 40 yards a soft and a solid were touching.
The 500/416 is a good cartridge giving ballistics equal to the 416 Rem Mag and the 416 Rigby.
I would prefer a 500/416 Krieghoff Double to ANY 416 bolt rifle for any animal I would hunt with a 416.
I would definately have the Krieghoff fitted with a scope in QD mounts. Even if I did not use the scope with 400 grain bullets, I would have a load with 300 grain bullets for lesser big game. With 300 grain bullets and scope, the 500/416 would make an excellent leopard rifle. For lion I would use 400 grain bullets.

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bonanza
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Re: Krieghoff 500/416 [Re: NE450No2]
#26147 - 12/02/05 03:05 AM

Many will attest to the fact, that despite what the formula is for kinetic energy is for the bullet comming out of the muzzle is (e=1/2m * v^2): recoil is heavily infulenced by bullet weight. The 500/416 will recoil less than a 458 lott or 470 nitro with 500 grain bullets given the same rifle weight, but will still murder any animal on this planet. Therefore - I think is a great round.

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Chasseur
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Re: Krieghoff 500/416 [Re: bonanza]
#26155 - 12/02/05 03:56 AM

How is ammo avalibility, and price with this round?

How about reloading it? Are the cases easy to get a hold of?

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new_guy
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Re: Krieghoff 500/416 [Re: Chasseur]
#26157 - 12/02/05 04:30 AM

Asquare still makes them... and it appears that they have some bell cases on sale at midway!

Price wise, ALL of these damn things 450,470,505 etc... seem to cost $2/each.

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bwana1
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Re: Krieghoff 500/416 [Re: new_guy]
#26159 - 12/02/05 05:17 AM

I wish they were $2 apiece-try more like $12 apiece. Krieghoff has loaded ammo in both Woodleigh softs and solids loaded for them by W. Romey in Germany.

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new_guy
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Re: Krieghoff 500/416 [Re: bwana1]
#26160 - 12/02/05 06:39 AM

sorry, I roll my own - that was a quick "round nunber" for brass only.

Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever purchased a box of "premium ammo."

And I sure as heck have never paid $200.00 for a box of federal 470's.

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Rell
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Re: Krieghoff 500/416 [Re: new_guy]
#26167 - 12/02/05 09:43 AM

Is the recoil from the 416/500 considerably more then a 450/400? What about real world performance?

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Rusty
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Re: Krieghoff 500/416 [Re: Rell]
#26168 - 12/02/05 09:51 AM

Yes the recoil of the 500/416 is greater. I own a 450/400 3 inch. The 500/416 is just on the edge of what I like.

I am a big fan of the Sweet 40s. .408, .411, .416. All are long, good penetrating bullets. The 500/416 will give you a leg up in velocity from my 450/400, but the trade off for me isn't worth it due to recoil.

I feel that the 500/416 will become a great double rifle standard. If I had one it would have to weigh 11 LBS. for me to be comfortable with the recoil.

Now felt recoil is unique to each individual. I suggest you try each if you can. The best double rifle is the one you like and own!

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RobertD
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Re: Krieghoff 500/416 [Re: Rusty]
#26204 - 12/02/05 04:57 PM

Ya know, you really need to consider the weight of the rifle when you talk recoil.

I have a 459 Win Mag which fires a 500g Hornady at 2000 fps from a 22 inch barrel. That rifle is a M98 and has a steel butt plate, and slip on recoil pad. The recoil of that is indistinquishable from my good friend's Searcy 500 NE. I fired both, back to back, and I can't tell a difference between them.

Now, to make things really interesting, my good buddy fired his 500NE Searcy, a Ruger 458 Lott, and a 375. Turns out the 375 had the most recoil; the reason being the 375 was the lightest of the three and the 458 Lott had a mercury recoil reducer installed. The 500 NE was the heaviest of the three.

So, all things being equal are not always equal.

RobertD

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Rusty
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Re: Krieghoff 500/416 [Re: RobertD]
#26214 - 12/02/05 10:52 PM

On the subject of brass, BeLL BRASS
Mast technology still has some of it inventory left. You might give them a call. YOu might get a break on the price of what they have left?

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