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Wanabebwana
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Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA
      #260484 - 14/02/15 04:34 PM

Sarco Mauser actions sell for $295USD in the states. Tradex has them in Canada for $495CND. They are used by Dumoulin for their high end rifles. These actions have a double square bridge that is dovetailed and also drilled and tapped for apparently hard to obtain rings.They have a Winchester 70 type safety. Customers have complained that the pitch of the mounting screw holes and dovetails were not standard.The actions are Marked Dumoulin Herstal on the left receiver wall. What they do not advertise is that these actions are not made in Belgium but that they are in fact manufactured in CHINA. Dumoulin never made their own actions. They relied on FN,Sako,and others for their actions. These new actions are milled in China under contract by Dumoulin. Since they are produced in large quantities the majority are sold to third parties such as Sarco. Of all the places I saw them available there is only one small retailer that advertises them as "Belgian contract made in China". This is the site that at the very bottom of the page,in additional information,says where they are made. http://www.leverarms.com/mauser-action.html
Here is the Tradex site where they are advertised as Dumoulin:
http://www.tradeexcanada.com/content/commercial-dumoulin-m98-mauser-action

Edited by Wanabebwana (14/02/15 04:40 PM)

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #260501 - 15/02/15 04:15 AM

WOW - there's a blast from the past. Lever Arms was the name of Allen's store downtown Vancouver when I lived in Surrey.
Then, about 1975 or so, Allen Lever changed the name - or maybe it was just his sign for a time, "Allen's Toys for Men".
I bought quite a few 'toys' from Allen Lever.
Thanks for the post, Wannabe.

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: DarylS]
      #260552 - 16/02/15 04:51 AM

I'm rather surprised they're able to import them? I know that they've banned NORINCO, and pretty much everything else firearm related?

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: DarylS]
      #260554 - 16/02/15 05:37 AM

What memories. For many years I visited Allan's shop at lunch most week days when I was in country. I bought most of the double rifles and British single shots that have pasted through my hands in his shop on Hornby. Before companies once again started to manufacture ammo for these rifles he was able to buy them for very little in Britain and India. His prices for these works of art were sometimes amazing (at both ends of the scale.)

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: dracb]
      #260573 - 16/02/15 08:19 PM

Be good if you could them to make a True Magnum Mauser 98 there ! at a reasonable price

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Wanabebwana
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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: 500Boswell]
      #260590 - 17/02/15 06:34 AM

The new Dumoulin A2000 actions are made in China. They have a small gas escape hole in the right receiver wall and low dovetailed and drilled flat bridges. The A2000LM has a front bridge extended in front of the recoil lug that I believe allows for the same guard screw spacing as the standard action.The bolt handle is straight and the double square bridges appear higher. The magazine is drop box. More importantly the bolt diameter is described as .750" in diameter to handle cases as large as the .505 Gibbs.This action is different from the Pretchl, FZH, Hartmann and Weiss,Johannsen or older H.Dumoulin Imperial magnums.I do not know where it is manufactured. Attempts to get clarification on this subject from Dumoulin were unsucessful. They published a full page on the A2000 action and extol it's virtues including the fact that it is sent to the Belgian government for proof marks but fail to mention whether it is milled or CNC machined or more importantly where it is manufactured.
Dumoulin A2000 page: http://www.dumoulin-herstal.com/en/mecanisme.htm
You can copare this to The Tradex/Sarco Dumoulin action:
http://www.tradeexcanada.com/content/commercial-dumoulin-m98-mauser-action

The single picture of the A2000 LM action does not show much detail. I would not be surprised if it is also of Chinese or other Asian origin.( Remember the Korean Empire Magnum Mausers?).

Dumoulin A2000 page: http://www.dumoulin-herstal.com/en/a2000lm.htm

When a modern standard or magnum Mauser action such as the German ones mentioned above or the Saterlee, Granite Mountain or Mayfair will set you back $4000-$8000 USD I can understand why in a competitive market a considerably higher profit margin can be realized with a $100? action (based on the Sarco price of $295 retail, the importer/distributor must pay less than that to make it as profitable as other Chinese imported goods).
My problem is when you deal with an established "reputable" firm you expect honest representation of the product you are so dearly paying for.
Al

Edited by Wanabebwana (17/02/15 09:27 AM)

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #260801 - 20/02/15 03:08 PM

About 15 yrs ago Lever was selling the M98 hinged trigger guards for $90. US I bought two and they were exact copies of the Blackburn TG and well made .

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: LongIsland]
      #260932 - 22/02/15 07:52 AM

I have no actual knowledge of where the Sarco actions are produced. I only know that mine is marked Dumoulin and the bottom is marked Belguim with no other markings any where. I would imagine there is a certificate of import somewhere that would give the complete origin as I understand that is required for any product that is imported into the US. No matter the origin the action I physically have has a value (to me of course)far above the purchase price. It is currently being transformed into a first class 7x57 with a Kreiger barrel. It will be more than adequate for me wherever it's from. Incidentally rings are available for a reasonable price in keeping with price of Talleys or Warnes. Talley also produces bases specifically for the action that are same price as regular Talley bases.

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: zimhunter]
      #260935 - 22/02/15 08:18 AM

Here in that auction some detailed pictures of that action

Perhaps can somebody hel to fix the pictures here.
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5341896

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: justcurious]
      #260952 - 22/02/15 01:43 PM

















Is that new? Is that price correct?

I have old military action made in Spandau 1914. Quality of finish looks way better than this and it was much cheaper.

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: 7mmSAKO]
      #260959 - 22/02/15 04:48 PM

The quality of machining is horrendous, you can just imagine how good their geometric tolarancing would be. The blueing looks disgusting.

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #262929 - 30/03/15 02:25 PM

There are no Mauser 98 actions presently mass produced in Belgium.

Here is a copy of an email sent to Sarco to get clarification on their misleading advertizing.
Note that they state manufactured by Dumoulin of "Belgium" but not made in Belgium.
(They are manufactured by Dumoulin of Belgium in China.)

"Some dealers are advertizing the Dumoulin action as Belgian contract made in China.
Can you confirm that the actions you advertize are in fact manufactured in Belgium.
I find it hard to believe that a Belgian arms manufacturer would machine a surplus of actions and sell them to third parties at such a low cost. Milling is more expensive than CNC machining and the latter actions sell for $4000 and up."

Reply, if I get one, will be interesting.

You can see their ad here:
http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/dumoulin-mauser-action.aspx

Edited by Wanabebwana (30/03/15 02:27 PM)

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #264201 - 26/04/15 05:45 AM

My favorite memory of Alan Lever's store was buying Swedish Mausers there in the mid-80's. They cost $40 each and you could hand-pick them. If you bought more than three he'd give you a further discount.

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #264222 - 26/04/15 01:31 PM

Quote:

The blueing looks disgusting.

Waidmannsheil.



You got it all wrong, that is Chinese damascus

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: eagle27]
      #264224 - 26/04/15 01:47 PM

Eagle, I never looked at it like that, but you are right.

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #264231 - 26/04/15 08:08 PM

Quote:

The quality of machining is horrendous, you can just imagine how good their geometric tolarancing would be. The blueing looks disgusting.

Waidmannsheil.




Just because there is chatter/machining marks doesn't mean they'll be out on tolerances. More expensive actions just have it polished out or they ran them with more care in that regard.
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6 years so far experience on CNC.
Why do i always defend chinese things, i have no reason to haha.

Someone check one out and prove me wrong please

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: Ash]
      #264250 - 27/04/15 07:36 AM

Ash, it is true that chatter marks do not necessarily mean out of tolerance however I have always found that manufacturers that are not concerned with surface finish are also not too concerned with set-up and accuracy, particularly if it is something where the final appearance is important.

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #264257 - 27/04/15 10:06 AM

OK - Sarco is selling them for $349.00 in the States.

What are they paying for them?

They do look poor- almost like starting with a battle-field pickup.

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: DarylS]
      #276251 - 08/01/16 01:07 PM

I got some Dumoulin Mausers in Oct 2014 from Sarco for $295.

The bad:
1) I wrecked a trigger by hamfisted over adjusting and they are not serviceable. I bought a superior aftermarket trigger.





2) There are 99 ways to mount a scope, and none are easy. I ended up milling the bottom sides flat on a Weaver S45 and a Weaver S54. I tried a lot of other ways, but that way is fast, low skill, low cost, and hard to make a mistake.



I modified some V blocks to hold Weaver mounts in the mill vise.






I built a 6.5-06 A Square with a Shilen select match stainless #3 taper barrel. I shot two does in October with it. A mule doe yearling at 250 yards and a whitetail doe at 629 yards.

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: Clarkm]
      #276262 - 08/01/16 05:31 PM

Nifty trick with the V-blocks.

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #276286 - 09/01/16 06:23 AM

The V blocks make is more idiot proof. A long as the height of the mill knee or quill does not change, the front and rear scope bases will match each other and be parallel with the bore.

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Re: Sarco/ Dumoulin actions are made in CHINA [Re: Clarkm]
      #276517 - 13/01/16 09:39 AM

You can pick up a 1937-1940 Husqvarna 146 or a 1947-1948 ,640,transitional action,(with hump,solid left wall and low bolt handle)for the same price as the Sarco and have the highest quality FN Mauser 98 action. Then again some prefer Remingtons.

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