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clark7781
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Searcy .577 NE
      #25991 - 10/02/05 02:59 AM

Does anyone own this caliber by Searcy? I ask because in about two years I plan on getting one and want to do some due dilligence before hand.

And for those of you who have to ask "why?" I've always liked this round and have a fetish for big bore weapons....

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: clark7781]
      #26002 - 10/02/05 06:08 AM

I hand a searcy in 470 that I got rid of because nobody could keep it from either doubling or one barrel would go off and not the other. My PH friend in zim has a 577 with the same problem. It's in SA now and they are trying to get it fixed, but not having much luck. Ends up being whether you want a double barreled single shot or a double shotted single

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: clark7781]
      #26034 - 10/02/05 02:36 PM

Clark7781:
No doubt you saw this at the time, just a reminder about a possible practical alternative to the full-nitro .577...

.577 Light Nitro

More manageable recoil might help circumvent any doubling problem!

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: butchloc]
      #26035 - 10/02/05 02:42 PM

...the problems that you experienced could be deadly (to the hunter as opposed to the hunted)...has anyone else experienced this problem with their searcys?...

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: ThomasEdwards]
      #26043 - 10/02/05 04:23 PM

You guys have me a little worried, I was just about to send the chech for a searcy boxlock in 416/500.

Is this a general failling of searcys' or a problem with many over 500 calibers?

I guess I'll just hold off another month or two.

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500grains
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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: Rell]
      #26068 - 11/02/05 04:43 AM

I have a Searcy .500 and it has never doubled. Some guys experience doubling and blame it on the gun when in fact the recoil pulled their finger across the rear trigger causing the 2nd barrel to fire.

However, Searcys come with a full lifetime warranty. If you have any trouble, just UPS the rifle to California and the manufacturer will fix it for free.

That being said I am a little skeptical about claims of doubling. If someone experienced that, why not send the rifle back to the manufacturer to have it fixed (for free)?


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500Nitro
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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: 500grains]
      #26081 - 11/02/05 07:45 AM


IMHO, I think before any more blame gets put on Searcy Double rifles, we need the full story.

Although I haven't held/shota Searcy, experienced people I have spoken to say they are well made working guns.
Consider this. Butch has obviously made heaps of double Rifles and we hear of 2 or so that double.
1. It is unlikely that Searcy would make a gun that does this.
2. From my experience except where a gun has turned out to have worn or modified sears,
it is often the shooter who somehow touches the Rear trigger.
3. Do we know whether the owners of these guns have had the sears modified so as to have a lighter
trigger ?

Have the owners gone through the sequence of tricks to see whether it is them or the gun:-
1. pull rear trigger first is the obvious one,
2. load a live round in Right barrel, Primer only cartridge in Left barrel and then see if it doubles on firing.

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: 500grains]
      #26082 - 11/02/05 07:45 AM

I did send my 470 back to searcy - twice - took it to another gunsmith 3 times, finally took it back to cabelas where I bought it. THey sold it to 3 more guys who had the same trouble. as they tell me the last guy they sold it to was from california and was flying home with it and had a heart attack & died.

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: butchloc]
      #26084 - 11/02/05 07:53 AM

I thought most doubles have interceptor sears? When I got my 470 I put a snap cap in the left barrel for the first 50 shots to make sure it was not going to double because of a manufacturing flaw. It has not and now I fell safe with two live rounds.


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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: butchloc]
      #26085 - 11/02/05 07:59 AM

Wow, I bet there's going to be some fur flying when Ray Atkinson gets back to town!

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500grains
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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: CptCurl]
      #26117 - 11/02/05 03:10 PM

Butch Searcy is not registered here, but here is what he emailed regarding this issue:

In reply to:

Dan, just got off the phone with Cabela's. The rifle was returned twice to Cabela's, but as trade in's not for repair..... Anyhow, that same rifle was just sold to a fellow in Wis. a month ago. This fellow knew of my concern for my rifles and returned it for my latest upgrades to the action. New mainsprings, Sears and springs, and one firing pin spring. The only charge was shipping.




So it looks like there were some factual inaccuracies in some else's post above.

I also had the mainsprings, etc upgraded to the new design in my Searcy rifle - not because of a malfunction but because it was an upgrade and it was FREE! Hell, Remington won't even replace a trigger that is killing people, but Searcy gives us free upgrades to a system that is working fine.

One notable difference in my rifle after the upgrades is that the trigger pull FEELS easier, but it measures harder. That means I shoot it more accurately, but it is less likely that I will accidentally set off the 2nd barrel without intending to.


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Karl
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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: Marrakai]
      #26131 - 11/02/05 11:20 PM

Marrakai,
Well you've got me interested anyway
I have sent you a PM.

Regards,
Karl.


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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: butchloc]
      #26177 - 12/02/05 01:11 PM

In reply to:

Poster: butchloc
Subject: Re: Searcy .577 NE

I did send my 470 back to searcy - twice - took it to another gunsmith 3 times, finally took it back to cabelas where I bought it. THey sold it to 3 more guys who had the same trouble. as they tell me the last guy they sold it to was from california and was flying home with it and had a heart attack & died.






Please send me the serial number of this rifle. If I ever see it I want to make sure I never touch it. I have enough bad luck normally.

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: 500grains]
      #26194 - 12/02/05 03:02 PM

In reply to:

Butch Searcy is not registered here, but here is what he emailed regarding this issue:





Butch has been trying to reply but has been having problems.

Hopefully he manages to get in and answer for himself.




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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: NitroX]
      #26227 - 13/02/05 11:05 AM

Well with the help of 500 grains I finally got in.
First Mickey, you wouldn't buy a Searcy rifle anyhow, so your statement is nothing more than inflammatory.
I did do some research on this rifle. After consulting with Cabela's they informed me that the rifle was sold in Jan. 2000 and returned in May of same yr. I'm assuming this was Butchloc. When he returned it he never told Cabela's that there was any problem's with the rifle. If he had of they would have sent it back to me. This rifle was sold and traded in twice more over the last few yrs. Never once did anyone complain of a problem. Just about two months ago Cabela's sold it again. The new owner called me about two weeks ago and told me that he was having ignition problems occasionlly with the right barrel. I told him that the mainspring might have weekened, and that if he wished to send it back I would fix it. Never was there any mention of doubling. I got the rifle back and replaced both mainsprings with stronger one's that I use know. Also the sears and there springs and left firing pin spring was replaced at no charge to the customer. Now before I go any further it was very obvious this rifle had had allot of work done to it over the yrs by someone else other than me. Now I will be the first to admit that there is rifles out there I made yrs ago that I'd like to get back. I have always stood behind my work, and I can't do anymore than that. And the rifes I'm currently making are light yrs. better than they were just a yr.ago. And I will quit when I see no room for improvement. I currently make the best double on the market anywhere for the money. That being said I know Mickey and others of his same persuasion are just shaking their heads.
http://www.searcyent.com

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website: www.searcyent.com

See Butch's new membership alias Butch_Searcy This one has been closed.


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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: butchsearcy]
      #26229 - 13/02/05 11:41 AM

In reply to:

Poster: butchsearcy
Subject: Re: Searcy .577 NE

Well with the help of 500 grains I finally got in.
...............




So the email I spent time replying to you and replied to your email didn't help you at all in getting in?

I see you have had to re-register, your first being in March last year and first post this one.

In any case welcome to the NitroExpress.com forums. You have a lot of users of your doubles on these forums. I am sure they would like your input from time to time when you have time to do so. Also it is always good to see the other side of the argument. We have had all sorts of outrageous claims made over time (I am not referring to this thread or even your brand of double rifles here) and it is good to see the maker answering an argument or debate.

Again Welcome to the NitroExpress.com forums and I hope you enjoy your visits here.



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500Nitro
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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: butchsearcy]
      #26230 - 13/02/05 11:45 AM


Butch,

Welcome to the forum and great reply.
As I said in a previous post, "we need the full story."

The same applies to a lot of other criticisms of products on forums that
are based on heresay and not personal experience.

It is amazing how many people will discuss something from a negative viewpoint
on an internet forum and not contact the manufacturer !!!

500 Nitro


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clark7781
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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: 500Nitro]
      #26232 - 13/02/05 12:11 PM

Man, I opened up a can of worms....

Mr. Searcy, I will be coming to you in a few years for the .577 (Have to fund the little guy's college fund heavily these first few years to have any chance of flipping the entire bill)....I agree that you make a darn fine firearm!

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Rusty
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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: butchsearcy]
      #26233 - 13/02/05 01:39 PM

Welcome Butch!

I'm saving my money for one of those 26" barreled 450/400 3 inch beauties you are now making!

Best regards!

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: butchsearcy]
      #26238 - 13/02/05 02:58 PM

Butch and Folks:

My Searcy .470 has been trouble free and is much more accurate than I can shoot. Here are two 50 yard targets with right and left softs then solid 500 grain Woodleighs at 2250 fps:




I'd love to have a .577 someday.


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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: butchsearcy]
      #26282 - 14/02/05 02:50 PM

Butch, wow, and welcome to the forum.

My comment was meant to be a joke and I, and everyone else here, will attest that I would have made the same comment if it was a Westley Richards. Thank you for your explanation.

I did think the part about the Heart attack was nicely done though, didn't you?

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: JudgeG]
      #26331 - 15/02/05 03:34 PM

JudgeG,

Just for interest I was wondering why you are pushing the 500 gr. solids so fast (2250) in your 470 Searcy? Is that what you needed to do get the gun to shoot that well at 50 yards?

Enquiring minds want to know ;-)

Roi

P.S. Atta boy Butch, givem hell! And your right, you've got a very good product.

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Edited by 510Wells (15/02/05 03:40 PM)


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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: butchsearcy]
      #26369 - 16/02/05 04:43 AM

In reply to:

Well with the help of 500 grains I finally got in.
First Mickey, you wouldn't buy a Searcy rifle anyhow, so your statement is nothing more than inflammatory.
I did do some research on this rifle. After consulting with Cabela's they informed me that the rifle was sold in Jan. 2000 and returned in May of same yr. I'm assuming this was Butchloc. When he returned it he never told Cabela's that there was any problem's with the rifle. If he had of they would have sent it back to me. This rifle was sold and traded in twice more over the last few yrs. Never once did anyone complain of a problem. Just about two months ago Cabela's sold it again. The new owner called me about two weeks ago and told me that he was having ignition problems occasionlly with the right barrel. I told him that the mainspring might have weekened, and that if he wished to send it back I would fix it. Never was there any mention of doubling. I got the rifle back and replaced both mainsprings with stronger one's that I use know. Also the sears and there springs and left firing pin spring was replaced at no charge to the customer. Now before I go any further it was very obvious this rifle had had allot of work done to it over the yrs by someone else other than me. Now I will be the first to admit that there is rifles out there I made yrs ago that I'd like to get back. I have always stood behind my work, and I can't do anymore than that. And the rifes I'm currently making are light yrs. better than they were just a yr.ago. And I will quit when I see no room for improvement. I currently make the best double on the market anywhere for the money. That being said I know Mickey and others of his same persuasion are just shaking their heads.





As I've said many times before, if you want the facts, call Butch, he will tell you like it is, good, or bad!

I have a sneaking suspicion the troubled 470NE here is one, that a fellow had a while back, and instead of investigateing the problem of the doubleing, or sending it back to Butch, he had a so-called gun smith do a little "PLUMBING" on the rifle, and really screwed it up good! Then the guy really bad mouthed Butch on the net, just like the new guy who owned it and reported on it here, also is bad mouthing Butch again, instead of talking to Searcy about the rifle takes the "USED", and "ABUSED" double back to Cabella's and says nothing except he doesn't like it. Cabella's did what the origenal owner should have, send it back to Butch for a proper fix!

Gentlemen, anything can be destroyed, given enough ignorance, effort, and a shade tree "PLUMBER" gun smith, with a big hammer!

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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #26381 - 16/02/05 09:40 AM

Although butchloc alleged that the rifle doubles, Cabelas never knew of a problem with it doubling (or they would have sent it back to Searcy). And Butch did not say it doubled when he received it. With someone using an unknown gunsmith to alter the rifle, it's hard to know whether the rifle ever doubled, and if it did, whether the unknown gunsmith is the one who caused it in the first place.

One nice thing about buying a double from an American maker is that it is really easy to send it in for any service or upgrade. Not so if you have to ship the rifle across the Atlantic.


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Re: Searcy .577 NE [Re: 500grains]
      #26386 - 16/02/05 11:25 AM

In reply to:

One nice thing about buying a double from an American maker is that it is really easy to send it in for any service or upgrade. Not so if you have to ship the rifle across the Atlantic.




Depends on which side of the Atlantic you're on!


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