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bonanza
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merkel 140.1 in 7x54R or 7x65R
      #25866 - 08/02/05 08:40 AM

Anyone have one of these?

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Re: merkel 140.1 in 7x54R or 7x65R [Re: bonanza]
      #25882 - 08/02/05 02:29 PM

Bonanza,

This thread picks up from your comment on my thread about my newly acquired .280 NE.

Yes, yes, yes get a small bore double rifle. You will love it. Whether it is a Merkel or something else is just your choice. Traditional calibers you might consider include 7x57R, 7x65R, 8x57JRS, and 9x57R. I mention these metrics because I have found small bores to be far more common in continental rifles than in Brits. Contrary to what is often passed off as gospel in these threads, you can also do fine with a rimless such as .30-06 in a well made rifle. Keep it clean and it will extract or eject like a charm.

Along that line, I will now offer my darkest, most secret, and dirtiest confession of this evening. One of my most useful and well liked double rifles is chambered in none other than .300 WINCHESTER MAGNUM. Now I've said it, and it is here for the world to see. That rifle shoots four shots - 2 rights and 2 lefts into 1 1/4" at 100 yards with boring regularity. It is scoped with a QD 1.5-5 Pentax. The last deer I killed was shot with it across a harvested corn field at a measured 265 yards. One shot in the heart. It's regulated for 220 grain round nose bullets - perfect for elk. I use the Hornadys. Load and shoot it for peanuts. It's not shot off the face, either. And hey, if you don't think it will eject, try standing just behind me to my right when I open it. It has never failed to extract or eject ever. It's no beauty queen; fairly typical Ferlach, made by Joseph Winkler. But man, is it a user.



My 9x57R Francotte is the sleekest and sexiest small bore double rifle I have laid eyes on. It's smaller than most 28 gauge shotguns. It weighs a whopping 7 lbs. 6 oz. A beautiful SLE in classic British style.



Unlike many 9mm's it has .358 grooves. I shoot Hornady 250 RN .35 caliber bullets. The brass is easily formed from .444 Marlin, or you can neck up 8x57R. It costs snilch to shoot and is fun as can be. Light as it is, it can be a thumper.

In summary, you can usually find a small bore DR in a caliber that's easy to feed and costs very little to shoot. Who wouldn't want one?

If I were to get a small bore Merkel I think it would be an 8x57JRS. That's a great caliber. I think it is far more versatile than a 7mm. Make sure it will accept a 0.063" thick rim, and then you can use .444 brass. Of course, 8x57R is easy to get now, not like 20 years ago.

A 7x57R will take a 0.063" rim, and you can always use .444. That's what I did with an Austrian 7x57R double I had many moons ago.

So, yes get a small bore. You're not hunting elephants in South Carolina. Big bores are fun as heck, but they aren't the end of the line.

Go for it!
Curl

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Re: merkel 140.1 in 7x54R or 7x65R [Re: CptCurl]
      #25910 - 09/02/05 01:13 AM

CaptCurl
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Re: merkel 140.1 in 7x54R or 7x65R [Re: CptCurl]
      #25917 - 09/02/05 02:26 AM

CtpCurl,

I started a new thread to get the whole small bore debate going. I'm shoting a .375H&H DR now and its super neat'o with the 235 sierra's, so I'd really want to consider a sub-thirty cal. I wish I could get one in an american caliber like 270win or 280rem. I'll keep you up-to-date if I get real interested. Could be in 4-6 month range. But I don't want to blow my safari budget on "another" gun - at least this year

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Re: merkel 140.1 in 7x54R or 7x65R [Re: bonanza]
      #25921 - 09/02/05 04:30 AM

I was lucky in that the double I bought had three sets of barrels. The 7x65R came with a Ziess Diavari 1.5 - 6.0.
It's been fun shooting all of the barrels and changing from one to the other.
I'm just now honing in the accuracy of this particular set of barrels. It swings beautifully, it's light and fast on target. I hope to take it hunting soon for some ballistic reports on game animals.

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Re: merkel 140.1 in 7x54R or 7x65R [Re: CptCurl]
      #25923 - 09/02/05 06:29 AM

Curl

Your doubles are wonderful, especially the Francotte.
First time in my life I hear of 9x57. Is it a wildcat?
I am stunned with such calibers 300 WM and 9x57R?
It's fine there is guys like out exploring other trails and being content, cause your accuracey is excellent, not the kind one can expect from a double.
You guys keep me astonished. Go on, good luck


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Re: merkel 140.1 in 7x54R or 7x65R [Re: larcher]
      #25936 - 09/02/05 09:19 AM

Curl,

Those are some LOVELY little double rifles... Man oh man...



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Re: merkel 140.1 in 7x54R or 7x65R [Re: Chasseur]
      #25938 - 09/02/05 09:43 AM

Guys,

Thanks for all the compliments. My head is swollen up the size of a basketball.

But what we are supposed to be discussing is how wonderful and useful small bore double rifles are. Bonanza needs to know. He needs help taking the plunge for a small bore.

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Re: merkel 140.1 in 7x54R or 7x65R [Re: larcher]
      #25939 - 09/02/05 09:50 AM

Larcher,

The 9x57 was a standard caliber developed by Mauser and used in their commercial rifles. It is identical to the 8x57 except for the larger neck and bullet.

The 9x57R is the rimmed version for use in doubles and combination guns.

Both rounds have been obsolete since the end of WWII.

Normal bullet diameter is .355, which is why I feel fortunate that mine is .358 and thus takes standard .35 caliber bullets produced in the USA.

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Curl

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Re: merkel 140.1 in 7x54R or 7x65R 9x57R [Re: CptCurl]
      #25958 - 09/02/05 07:09 PM

Decades back I had a Gastinne Rennete in 9x57R, boxlock ejector, QD scope in the old Miller Kodiak mount that did not require drilling & tapping. Very easy to handload for, developed loads with and without scope and for both 200 and 250 grain that shot into 3-4" or so at 100. Shot a big buck on Anticosti Island with the 250 grain Hornady right through a tree, I figured the bullet would go right on through, it was maybe 8-10" thick. Then I foolishly sold the rifle. I think I still have a box of the bullets unless I've given them away.

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Re: merkel 140.1 in 7x54R or 7x65R [Re: CptCurl]
      #26039 - 10/02/05 03:22 PM

CptCurl is quite correct in his opinion of small bore double rifles! I have owned many small bore doubles, both O/U, and S/S and they are very useful hunting rifles. Though I love all double rifles, the S/S is my favorite no matter the chambering!

There are plenty of small doubles around, from 22 Highpower, to 9.3X74R. Though I have never owned a rimless double rifle, and probably never will, and since they are not intended for dangerous game it makes no real difference, if that is what you want!

One of the best doubles I've ever owned was a little H. Berrela 8X57JR, made in Berlin. It was a back action sidelock hammer rifle, and shot 196 gr soft or solids into a 2" group at 100 yds with Iron sights. With a good rest, with the right barrel which had a set trigger, it would print four shots in 1/2" at 100 yds. That rifle accounted for many Muledeer, and black bear in the mountains of New Mexico. I think you will find, no matter how many doubles you own, the little ones will get a regular workout, simply because they are so much fun to shoot, whether hunting, or just stump shooting! My favorite double today is a little Merkel 9.3X74R, and I simply love shooting it!


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Re: merkel 140.1 in 7x54R or 7x65R [Re: larcher]
      #26224 - 13/02/05 08:14 AM

A good article about the 9x57:
http://www.african-hunter.com/9x57_mauser.htm

-Bob F.




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