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nei411
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MK4#2 Lee Enfield Accuracy
#258295 - 27/12/14 12:12 PM

Having a devil of a time with a brand new MK4#2. It was made in 1954 and came in the greased burlap wrap. After taking it apart, cleaning and lubrication I took it to my bench rest. 5 shots made a fine group 6" high and 1/2" wide. This is my first Lee. As a "try" I removed the upper handguard, band and metal fitting at muzzle. It shot better a 3x4" 5 shot group. While at home with bedding Mausers and Springfields, I have no idea where to start with this rifle. Suggestions welcome !

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darwinmauser
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Re: MK4#2 Lee Enfield Accuracy [Re: nei411]
#258332 - 28/12/14 02:09 PM

http://www.milsurps.com/forumdisplay.php?f=72

The person you need to talk to is Peter Laidler, he was an armorer for the British forces until he retired, he's forgotten more than some of the other experts have ever known.

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nei411
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Re: MK4#2 Lee Enfield Accuracy [Re: darwinmauser]
#258498 - 03/01/15 07:56 AM

As that is not a user name, how would I begin to find that info on that site which has at least 100+ pages of postings on Lee Enfield "knowledge". Was hoping it easy, some thing simple like Whelen's method for fixing badly bedded conventional bolt actions.

thanks for the pointer.

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Re: MK4#2 Lee Enfield Accuracy [Re: nei411]
#258504 - 03/01/15 10:37 AM

I would simply bed around the butt-stock protrusion where it enters the end of the action, then glass-bed the fore stock to the front of the action and barrel. I would not use the top wooden guard, but shooting with and without will show if it effects accuracy.

Oft times, the crown is not square to the bore - and needs re-crowing. That might be all that is wrong - or not.

How well do you shoot other rifles with battle sights?

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Daryl

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Re: MK4#2 Lee Enfield Accuracy [Re: DarylS]
#258525 - 03/01/15 03:38 PM

Here are a couple of vid to start you off. Looking round some of the lists beside eachone will lead to many more on the subject

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWHWB1C5Epw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPt7UHBghEc

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darwinmauser
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Re: MK4#2 Lee Enfield Accuracy [Re: darwinmauser]
#258577 - 04/01/15 11:21 AM

Quote:

http://www.milsurps.com/forumdisplay.php?f=72

The person you need to talk to is Peter Laidler, he was an armorer for the British forces until he retired, he's forgotten more than some of the other experts have ever known.

It is his user name as well as his real name, just have to join the site and PM him, it's that easy.

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458Shooter
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Re: MK4#2 Lee Enfield Accuracy [Re: darwinmauser]
#258583 - 04/01/15 01:27 PM

Every No4Mk1 or similar Enfield I have ever had shot best when the barrel was free floated the way they were from the factory.
Some say that these rifles needed upward muzzle pressure, I have never had one that benefited from such modifications.
The No1Mk111 is a different animal, most that I have had shot best with pressure at the middle band and at the nosecap.
Being that your rifle is new from the wrap, I suspect the wood has warped slightly and needs to be free floated again.

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darwinmauser
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Re: MK4#2 Lee Enfield Accuracy [Re: darwinmauser]
#258701 - 06/01/15 10:13 PM

Quote:

http://www.milsurps.com/forumdisplay.php?f=72

The person you need to talk to is Peter Laidler, he was an armorer for the British forces until he retired, he's forgotten more than some of the other experts have ever known.

http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=16948

Edited by darwinmauser (06/01/15 10:17 PM)

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faarigia
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Re: MK4#2 Lee Enfield Accuracy [Re: darwinmauser]
#260669 - 18/02/15 03:19 PM

I think its the Purdey as its proofed for the 300 grain load, but am not 100 percent sure. I used 9.3x74r brass as the Bertram 400/360 would not fit. I trim and then run them through a set of 400/360 Purdey dies from CH4D and fire form them anyways to match the chamber.

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Re: MK4#2 Lee Enfield Accuracy [Re: faarigia]
#260676 - 18/02/15 06:09 PM

Military bedding for the No.4 involved the barrel pressing down on the forend just behind the muzzle with a pressure of 2-4 lbs IIRC. The muzzle should move slightly side to side when pushed and return to center. Grasp the tip of the forend in your hand and push up on the barrel with your thumb. Use a spring scale to check the resistance.

Tighten the butt stock screw, and the large trigger guard screw. The rifle was zeroed at the factory. The stock is probably shrunk from 40 years without oil. Raw Linseed oil is the original and best finish.

You could take the woodwork off and brush it down with RLO repeatedly over a few days, then wipe down and let dry before reassembling. Best to try that before modifying the woodwork at all.

Edited by Old_Glass (18/02/15 06:14 PM)

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FrankS
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Re: MK4#2 Lee Enfield Accuracy [Re: Old_Glass]
#261917 - 08/03/15 05:45 PM

Although you didn't mention what ammunition was used if you do not reload then you are at the mercy of the ammo companies. Having said all that My #4MK2 was given a thorough cleaning and only the remington 180 grain softpoint shot the best. I have tried Sellier and Bellot fmj's, greek HXP fmj's and South African FMJ's. Of the three the Greek HXP was the best followed by the South African and lastly the Sellier and Bellot. Unfortunatly the South African is no longer available. Still mentally kicking myself for not picking up a case when it was still available. The South African was berdan primed but the Greek and Sellier and Bellot are boxer primed. Frank

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