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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#258057 - 19/12/14 07:26 AM

for the archive
it dont surprise me the FEG Mannlicher in 9,3x62 sold today for 1305 euro

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#258058 - 19/12/14 07:41 AM

Very nice looking rifle, indeed. Stocks fore end big "schnabel" is only small detail which I don´t like so much.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: Igorrock]
#258081 - 19/12/14 06:14 PM

but as a present you will take it?

in my opinion it is the bolt action of the year, hard to top with the Zeiss zielsechs on claw mount

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#258082 - 19/12/14 06:49 PM

Oooo Yeah, very nice indeed!

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: 4seventy]
#258084 - 19/12/14 07:34 PM

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to top with the Zeiss zielsechs on claw mount

...and even very nice british way i.e. both mounts are attached to left side of action.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: Igorrock]
#258087 - 19/12/14 10:31 PM

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to top with the Zeiss zielsechs on claw mount

...and even very nice british way i.e. both mounts are attached to left side of action.

mhhh, maybe ... but did they ever reach the level of soldered half rings?

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#258101 - 20/12/14 05:17 AM

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but did they ever reach the level of soldered half rings?

I don´t know if there is any reason to say "reach level" when talking about soldered half scope rings. IMO they are a working solution in tecnical means but much too difficult to asembly. And what happens when scope goes broken...

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: Igorrock]
#258102 - 20/12/14 06:21 AM

Holland & Holland simply copied the WW1 Austro-Hungarian sniper scope mount, much like the one seen on this FEG "Mannlicher" sporting rifle. But as H&H did not use soldered half-rings, but clamping rings that were not proof against slight slipping, H&H added a distance rod as a mechanical crutch to keep the ring at the proper distance for secure lockup.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: Igorrock]
#258103 - 20/12/14 06:27 AM

[quote And what happens when scope goes broken...

A German would bring the rifle back to his favorite gunsmith/-shop for repair or mounting another scope...

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: kuduae]
#258122 - 20/12/14 04:35 PM

there could be no doubt that a modern weaver rail and a claw mount with soldered half rings must have a certain level of quality to work as intended. do you think they represent the same level of quality?
when making the second you have to fit the claw mount by hand disassemble the scope to solder the tube into the halfrings. than you assemble the scope again and proof the sight while shooting it.
disassemble the scope again for blueing the tube +rings and than assemble and finaaaaly ready.

the only other work I would compare it is soldering double rifle barrels - time consuming, expensive, possible making mistakes and start again
unfashionable

anyone from the art's and craft movement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arts_and_Crafts_movement would have seen the soldered half ring as the highest level

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#258126 - 20/12/14 08:00 PM

IMO the question is the quality of work, not the way you mount your scope. Both soldering and weaver rail could be done badly if you don´t know how and what to do. But soldering is much more time consuming and expensive and you always need a gunsmith. I know that in Germany and Austria hunting /shooting has always been a hobby for people who have time and money to use gunsmith for all gun works but in scandinavia and USA hunting has in many cases been a part of living which means bad conditions and lower standard of living i.e. less money so that´s why these gunworks has been much more as DIY. For example I have seen fotos of famous Finnish seal hunters Mauser which scope mounts has welded to the rifle. Despite that this rifle was very accurate and served well as a tool for this prohunter.

So I think it´s mostly cultural question if you use claw mounts with soldered rings or steady mounts with weaver rail. Properly done both ways works well.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: Igorrock]
#258146 - 21/12/14 03:44 PM

Most modern scopes are aluminium which precludes soldering in any case.

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: kuduae]
#258278 - 26/12/14 11:25 PM

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Holland & Holland simply copied the WW1 Austro-Hungarian sniper scope mount, much like the one seen on this FEG "Mannlicher" sporting rifle. But as H&H did not use soldered half-rings, but clamping rings that were not proof against slight slipping, H&H added a distance rod as a mechanical crutch to keep the ring at the proper distance for secure lockup.

Kuduae, dear friend,

Regarding the H&H type English scope mount, which in fact is only a variation of the claw mount system, it is wrong to write that H&H did not use soldered rings.
In fact, originally, many mounts used rings soft soldered on the scopes steel tubes of the period; and this remained until the sixties, mainly on Hensoldt scopes with steel main tube.
Notice also the use of H&H mounts fitted to German scopes with 70° prismatic rail, an excellent solution to prevent the assembly from being able to take play.
Tension rod between rings appeared in the early eighties with the generalization of light alloy and larger diameter scopes tubes whose rigidity could not guarantee an assembly free of tolerances when fitted to big game rifles.
26mm steel tubes did not need this device whose sole purpose was to maintain a constant spacing between the rings.
Below are some pictures to illustrate these points.
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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: DORLEAC]
#258279 - 26/12/14 11:35 PM

To illustrate the tension rod that maintains constant spacing between the rings, here, some pictures of a D&D rifle still in the making and fitted with that device

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: DORLEAC]
#258374 - 29/12/14 04:26 PM

M 1903 without scope what is rare here
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5235117

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Re: 10,75x68 Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#258486 - 03/01/15 02:36 AM

someone had a very nice christmas in Vienna
a 10,75x68 sold in the Dorotheum auction on the 13th December for 813 euro
that was real luck
http://www.dorotheum.com/en/auction-deta...5aadd28b3fbb23f SN 1217,655mm barrel length

7x57, proofed 1940 in Ferlach, SN 14637
http://www.dorotheum.com/auktion-detail/...r.html?offset=1

sold for 350 euro

a C.G.Haenel model 1909 sold by Philipp Reeb/Bonn in 6,5x54 Mannlicher Schönauer!
http://www.dorotheum.com/auktion-detail/...n.html?offset=1
given away for 113 euro

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Re: 10,75x68 Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#258496 - 03/01/15 06:42 AM

good M 1903 in 6,5x54
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5225152&PHPSESSID=73d63782d9b3dad7de7c8c6575378dd7

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Re: 10,75x68 Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#260136 - 08/02/15 04:21 PM

a 5,6x57
http://www.lauritz.com/de/auktion/fuldsk...-6x5/i3715614/#

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Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#260138 - 08/02/15 05:07 PM

Honestly suprised that 10.75 didnt bring up some interest on this forum.

What happened guys! Ya miss this thread?

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: Ash]
#260154 - 09/02/15 10:01 AM

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Honestly suprised that 10.75 didnt bring up some interest on this forum.

What happened guys! Ya miss this thread?

Ah. Another underrated cartridge....

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: Norman4]
#260187 - 09/02/15 09:28 PM

the 10,75x68 in vienna was the bargain of the year 2014,this is the dream of any MS collector.

someone polished the barrel before maybe for an restoration but otherwise looks fine. that it was end for this money ... only explanation I have it was simply overlooked.
I have got the link to the auction before also but had no time to look in

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#260193 - 09/02/15 11:40 PM

Definately agree, maybe some people thought it cobbled together?

Any idea if this is one of the 4 known, or a new one surfacing?

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Re: 10,75x68 Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#260475 - 14/02/15 03:09 PM

old blank for a full stock schönauer, inside reeady
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5312472

and here is also a rifle for your new blank
6,5x68, original stock broken, without iron sights
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5324547

wonder what it will go for

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#260735 - 19/02/15 09:13 PM

6x5x54, made 1913 with a Meopta 3x on side mount
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5324125

8x60S take down english proof
Hensoldt Diatal 6x42 on claw mount
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5318081

8x68 Swarovski Habicht 3-12x50 on claw mount
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5185751

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Re: Mannlicher Schönauer at auction [Re: lancaster]
#262513 - 20/03/15 05:15 AM

in the next Springer's Vienna auction http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/objekte?aid=6&Lstatus=0

R. Ramsbottom - Manchester, Steyr Mod. 1893, 6,5x53R,

http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/r...p;currentpos=80

Los 87
Steyr Mannlicher-Schönauer Take Down, 7x57
http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/s...p;currentpos=84

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