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Ripp
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28 Nosler
      #256300 - 06/11/14 12:11 AM

Got word yesterday Nosler will be releasing another new caliber soon --the 28 Nosler..not much in details but pretty sure it will also be based off of the RUM case...suppose to be out by spring 2015

Guess the rumor a few months back is true in that they (Nosler) plan to come out with an entire group of new cartridges bearing the Nosler name

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: Ripp]
      #256304 - 06/11/14 05:24 AM

Just what we need, another overbore 7mm.

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: Eck]
      #256310 - 06/11/14 09:37 AM

Thanks Ripp,I looked up around the net and found a line in answer to the line below....how true!


"Pair either of those (26+ 28 N`s) with an overpriced rifle and do what?"


Answer: Shoot the same animal from the hood of the same truck at same distance...

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: Eck]
      #256311 - 06/11/14 09:38 AM

The sky is really the limit now with the extremely slow powders hitting the markets. The powders I'm referring to are those needed in some of the large military Gatling guns and sniper rifles.

With the advent of the mono bullets, like the TTSX and GMX types, as well as the Nosler Monometal bullet and with their expected rise in popularity, only the imagination (or wallet and sanity) is the restriction on case sizes.

We might even see some of the old necked down .5 Browning case wildcats re-surface now with these 'slowest' of rifle powders.

Would the 7mm Nosler not use the 6.5 Nosler's case? I thought it different from the RUM case.

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: DarylS]
      #256314 - 06/11/14 01:47 PM

It will be interesting to see how this line performs against the 338 and 300 Norma cartridges. The Norma's have an 11% case volume advantage, the Nosler has a 35deg shoulder vs. 20deg on the Norma. I think the Norma with a 30deg shoulder would be ideal.

That said, I'll be going with a straight 338 Lapua (or the AI version) since my rifle can handle COAL lengths out to just over 3.9". Case volume wins every time.

Edited by SharpsNitro (06/11/14 01:49 PM)

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: DarylS]
      #256315 - 06/11/14 01:58 PM

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Would the 7mm Nosler not use the 6.5 Nosler's case? I thought it different from the RUM case.



The 26 is based off of the 7RUM which is based off of the .404 Jeffrey..like all the other RUM cartridges.

Nosler shortened the cartridge case considerably over the 7,300 or 338RUM case...

Personally, curious to see what this will present..if it is a shortened 7RUM case..then won't the ballistics be very similar to the 7REM Mag? There is the case for the shorter action but that is already covered as well with the 7WSM and 7RSM...

I find it all very interesting but wonder how viable it all will be. I have been using and experiementing with the 26 Nosler for the past few months..not sure it really offers a whole lot more than my 264 Win Mag..and I certainly do NOT like hte feel of the Patriot rifle..feels way to clunky for my taste..incorrect angle of the wrist of the stock in relation to the trigger, again for my personal taste..feels awkward..

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: Ripp]
      #256320 - 06/11/14 02:33 PM

The advantage of these large volume for caliber cases seems to be he heavy for caliber bullets. The 300 Norma seems to be geared towards the 240gr SMK. Is there an equivalent heavy for caliber bullet for the 7mm right now? I'm guessing Nosler will provide one. From what I have seen, the LR Accubond has not exactly been seeking the hunting world on fire for those who have been able to get their hands on them.

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #256328 - 06/11/14 08:30 PM

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The advantage of these large volume for caliber cases seems to be he heavy for caliber bullets. The 300 Norma seems to be geared towards the 240gr SMK. Is there an equivalent heavy for caliber bullet for the 7mm right now? I'm guessing Nosler will provide one. From what I have seen, the LR Accubond has not exactly been seeking the hunting world on fire for those who have been able to get their hands on them.



From the rumor on the street, there were "issues" with the LR Accubond for a while..I assume they have been corrected albeit impossible to find unless you buy the actually loaded Nosler Ammo. Agree this may be one advantage but that is not what Nosler is promoting with the 26Nosler if you see any of their ads..its speed and trjectory..FLAT OUT TO 415..is what is seen anywhere the round is advertised..I may be wrong, but think they may go the way of the 26 using a standard action vs having a magnum that you need with the 7RUM..but if they go that route they will never be able to match the mv of the RUM which currenlty tosses the 150grs at around 3500fps..or close to it..that is smokin for that weight of bullet..

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: Ripp]
      #256339 - 07/11/14 01:52 AM

I ran some Nosler Accubond 160's through my 7x57 BRNO some years back. They shot reasonably well for a hunting bullet, but nothing special. I didn't use any on game. I ended up working up data with 165gr.(or 160gr.?) TSX at 2,700fps even. They were exceptionally accurate in that light rifle with that 'top' load by Brian Pierce - or was it John Barnsness - can't remember now? I do not have that data any longer however, as it went with the rifle to it's new owner.

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: Ripp]
      #256340 - 07/11/14 02:06 AM

Quote:

Got word yesterday Nosler will be releasing another new caliber soon --the 28 Nosler..not much in details but pretty sure it will also be based off of the RUM case...suppose to be out by spring 2015

Guess the rumor a few months back is true in that they (Nosler) plan to come out with an entire group of new cartridges bearing the Nosler name

Ripp



The 7x66 Vom Hofe I am sure will become a twin match. The 26Nosler case is so close to the 7x66 that I believe that is the case Nosler has copied.

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: rigbymauser]
      #256341 - 07/11/14 02:30 AM

Donnelly says for the 7x66 Vom Hofe SE to use .404 brass (10.75x72mm).
.545" base. Turn rim from .537" to .510(rebated)& cut a new extractor groove - trim from 2.86" to the length of 2.58".
The writeup also says you will need a case form set of 3 dies to make the 7x66 Vom HOfe SE.

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: DarylS]
      #256346 - 07/11/14 04:14 AM

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I ran some Nosler Accubond 160's through my 7x57 BRNO some years back. They shot reasonably well for a hunting bullet, but nothing special. I didn't use any on game. I ended up working up data with 165gr.(or 160gr.?) TSX at 2,700fps even. They were exceptionally accurate in that light rifle with that 'top' load by Brian Pierce - or was it John Barnsness - can't remember now? I do not have that data any longer however, as it went with the rifle to it's new owner.



Personally I have mixed reviews on the accubonds..used them out of my 300RUM in 180grs on my first trip to Africa. 3370fps mv--they did not perform well on larger game..poor pentration and on the smaller stuff, really blew them up..I switched to 200GR A-Frames after that..they have worked great on everything I have shot over there and here..

I have used them in 140gr out of my 280AI..used them on a big horn sheep hunt..they worked good..slower mv and longer distance --same for my wife's 308 W..using 165 gr -they did the job on an elk a week or two ago..

For the higher speed rounds like RUM's, Weatherby's and such, the Swift Scirocco is a better bullet for holding up at those speeds..or Barnes Triple Shocks..have used them on elk, deer, bear, etc..all with good results..In my experience, despite Noslers claims, the accubonds do best with a rifle firing at 3100fps or less..

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Edited by Ripp (07/11/14 08:15 AM)

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: Ripp]
      #256479 - 10/11/14 12:16 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Would the 7mm Nosler not use the 6.5 Nosler's case? I thought it different from the RUM case.



The 26 is based off of the 7RUM which is based off of the .404 Jeffrey..like all the other RUM cartridges.

Nosler shortened the cartridge case considerably over the 7,300 or 338RUM case...

Personally, curious to see what this will present..if it is a shortened 7RUM case..then won't the ballistics be very similar to the 7REM Mag? There is the case for the shorter action but that is already covered as well with the 7WSM and 7RSM...

I find it all very interesting but wonder how viable it all will be. I have been using and experiementing with the 26 Nosler for the past few months..not sure it really offers a whole lot more than my 264 Win Mag..and I certainly do NOT like hte feel of the Patriot rifle..feels way to clunky for my taste..incorrect angle of the wrist of the stock in relation to the trigger, again for my personal taste..feels awkward..

Ripp



Not to be shrewd but there is already a 7 mm Blaser magnum on the market - designed and manufactured in Åmotsfors. Blaser cartridges are not bad at all, 7mm, 300, 338 and 375...

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: Ripp]
      #283293 - 03/06/16 07:15 AM

The rifle will be here next week..will report accuracy, mv, etc achieved..

Actual vs what is claimed..see if this is all its claimed to be...

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: Ripp]
      #283299 - 03/06/16 08:07 AM

Waiting to see the results.

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: Rule303]
      #283303 - 03/06/16 08:40 AM

2015 Hodgdon's Annual Manual has an article on the .26 Nosler - seems to me, the 2016 Annual Manual has an article on the .28 Version - both using the RUM case, shortened somewhat to 2.5 or 2.6" or so. I don't have the exact numbers. Seems to me, they wanted it to work through a standard action, with an overall length of 3.340".

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: DarylS]
      #283324 - 03/06/16 08:09 PM

Wonder if Norma will neck down their 300Norma Mag-different to the 308 Norma. It uses a shortened 416/450 Rigby case.

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: DarylS]
      #283332 - 03/06/16 10:38 PM

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2015 Hodgdon's Annual Manual has an article on the .26 Nosler - seems to me, the 2016 Annual Manual has an article on the .28 Version - both using the RUM case, shortened somewhat to 2.5 or 2.6" or so. I don't have the exact numbers. Seems to me, they wanted it to work through a standard action, with an overall length of 3.340".



As previously stated, I currently have the 26 Nosler --got it towards the end of hunting season last fall..

I did see the article in Hodgdon's 2015 Manual..Actually tried their suggested powder as well US869 which worked well..the 26 I have is a titanium actioned Fierce rifle with carbon fiber barrel...see below---my first outing with this rifle starting with the load suggested by the factory and proven by the target sent along with the rifle. I also tried another 5 loads I picked out of the Nosler website..3 of the 5 loads shot 1/2' at 100yds ..using Swift Scirroco's and Nosler Accubonds...with the speed involved in with this round,I chose the Scirroco as it has a thicker jacket. My previous experience, with the 300RUM years agon in Africa, Accubonds do NOT hold up well in MV's over 3100fps...I was shooting the 180's out of the 300RUM at roughly 3370fps...bullet did not do a good job..had to shoot a waterbuck 4 times ..same on another animal later..so used the 416 for the remainder of that trip..

The loads I was running was meeting the velocities projected by Nosler, in fact on one I exceeded the mv by about 70fps with a very tight grouping...130's are around 3400fps or a tad more...

http://fiercearms.com/products/rifle-models/ct-edge

Yes they do fit into a standard length magazine..basically they are shortend RUM cartridges ..

Read in the Nosler #8 manual last night the 28Nosler is not as finicky to reload as the 26..based on my experience thus far with the 26, looking for great things with the 28 once I start the loading process..

My latest rifle in 28 Nosler is built on a Pierce titanium action again using a graphite barrel from PROOF.
http://www.pierceengineeringltd.com/
http://proofresearch.com/the-products/barrels/

This was built with hopes of being used on my mountain hunts which I plan to do as long as my body allows....so weight was a huge consideration along with accuracy once the shot was presented..plan to put a Swarovski Z5 on it --overall weight with scope will be around 7lbs, perhaps a bit over...

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: Ripp]
      #289487 - 28/10/16 12:26 AM

I have been working up loads for my 28 Nosler --which again is a Pierce titanium action and Proof research barrel...so far the powders of choice are the US869 and Retumbo both of which have now produced 1/2" 3 shot groups using 150 gr Swift Scirocco's, and 160 A-Frames... I have NOT loaded any Bergers for this caliber as they were a disaster in my Fierce 26 Nosler and IMHO, are NOT a hunting bullet..

Velocities thus far are very similar to what are claimed by Nosler...getting well in excess of 3400fps with the 150gr scirocco's...

Its been a tedious process as I did put a NEW Swarovski Z5 on the 28 when I got it..however after about 30-40 rounds it gave up the ghost ..so that has been sent back to the factory..I now put on a Zeiss with a Rapid Z 800 reticle..not as clear as the Swaro but I do like the rapid Z reticle concept they have ..also have the same scope on my 280AI ...

Will continue working with this as I see the 28Nosler to be a great choice for hunting mtn game and shooting longer than normal ranges..have to comment, recoil on a 7lb rifle was stouter than I had anticipated but not unmanageable..similar to a 300 Win mag...

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: Ripp]
      #289510 - 28/10/16 05:00 AM

Stout recoil? something has to give as the pounds come off,its a word many wince at.

I would like to know more on their 9.3 Nosler Ripp..do you know?

36 N that is.

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: Ripp]
      #289511 - 28/10/16 05:02 AM

Thanks for the heads up again on the Bergers,it seems more and more have had fails with them.

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: gryphon]
      #289531 - 28/10/16 06:30 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Ripp, thats impressive performance!

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: gryphon]
      #289579 - 29/10/16 11:45 PM

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Stout recoil? something has to give as the pounds come off,its a word many wince at.

I would like to know more on their 9.3 Nosler Ripp..do you know?

36 N that is.



Sorry, don't know anything of it. The only ones I have followed and researched are the 26,28 and 30. I have as I stated the 26 in a Fierce and the 28 discussed here...plan to build a 30..just figuring out what to use..

On another note, I just got done with elk season here and have to say, in all the elk I have shot or seen shot, nothing quite hits an elk like my 300RUM or 30 calibers in general...you hit them and they are done, period. I have used or seen calibers used anywhere from 243, 264 W mag, 270, 7RUM, 308 and 300RUM. Have probably seen over 100 head taken in the past ..in my experience, the 30 calibers just seems to really slap them when used with a proper bullet ..so, think if I do build a 30 it will be used on elk and will be used accordingly. Range doesn't seem to matter whether its 100 yards or 500, down they go, again, good bullets and shot placement are needed..My wife's little Kimber in 308 has dropped 3 elk 3 years in a row..360, 345 and 300 yards...one shot..boom..done..

It was never more clear to me than this year vs last--last year I used another bullet in my 7RUM this year Swifts in my 300RUM...the difference was undeniable...


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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: Ripp]
      #289588 - 30/10/16 04:47 AM

I have an idea its a 9.3/.366 stuffed into something like a 300wm case.Thats only an idea.

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Re: 28 Nosler [Re: gryphon]
      #289591 - 30/10/16 05:24 AM

The belted case I doubt. I expect either the same case as the .26 and .280. This should give it ballistics quite exceeding the .375 Ruger.

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