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First aid kits on safari
      #25559 - 02/02/05 02:53 PM

Many guys carry their own first aid kit with them and probably leave it in camp for sundry and minor use or in a bag in the safari car.

All good outfitters have a decent and large kit in camp and usually some sort of portable one in the safari car as well.

BUT my question.


Has anyone ever been on a safari where one has been carried along by the PH or a tracker on actual hunts?


I have been on safaris where the vehicle has been 20 kilometres away (at least by the route we took, maybe shorter more directly). That is a long way to get to a basic first aid kit.

When hunting solo at home a basic first aid kit is always in my bum bag or day pack. Injuring oneself many kilometres away from camp demands one.



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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: NitroX]
      #25565 - 02/02/05 09:22 PM

I've bought a few first aid kits in my life and the best of them is in my boat......as I've learned that that's where it most often needed. Fishing is actually more hazardous than hunting....

But lets define what a first aid kit actually is!!! Go to any retail store to buy one and what do you actually get? Well it seems to depend largely on where you go and I've found that if you're lucky enough to know a RN she (usually) can make up one better than you can buy!!!
(ASSUMING YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT) and there's no way it can be carried with you always.

However there is one component of a good first aid kit that is always with you if you get it and that's education.

Being able to perform CPR is vital and not something you buy in a store.....One can tear off his T-shirt to be used as a gause in an emergency and all you need thereafter is knowlege. It's not clean you say??? What else do you have?!!! The shoestrings in your boots can be used to attach makeshift splints if it's necessary and all one really needs is a nifty jack knife which seems to be in my pocket all the time.....

My point is that the one most basic component of the first aid kit is a good first responder course and a follow-up every couple years....its education and if you take that hunting you're far better off than one with an official first aid kit with the name "Cabelas" on it. Just add a pocket knife which most of us have anyway.

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: vapodog]
      #25570 - 02/02/05 11:31 PM

In reply to:

I've bought a few first aid kits in my life and the best of them is in my boat......as I've learned that that's where it most often needed. Fishing is actually more hazardous than hunting....




I couldn't agree more. On my boat during the season we carry a full trauma bag. For the experience lacking in first aid there is a 24 hour 7 day a week doctors on call phone number for mariners. They are available to help you with any kind of emergency 500 miles offshore until help arrives.

Now back to a safari or hunting first aid kit. I don't think the same trauma bag is in order. I carry a soft sided pocket first aid kit. Bandaids, 3 in one ointment, clean wipes, mole skin for the occational blister, tums and immodium A.D. A little thought and experience puts together a very useable in the field first aid kit. "Alway's carry one"

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: NitroX]
      #25572 - 03/02/05 01:12 AM

I've never had a PH carry a kit in the field. It's always back at the vehicle. I always carry with me a small day pack that has a couple of band aids, gauze pads, anti bacterial ointment, adhesive tape, small bottle of eye wash, and a large swiss army knife.

For those of you who are prone to getting blisters (like me), a few years ago, I started putting a wrap of adhesive tape over the two spots on my left foot that always seem to raise blisters. I do this the morning the hunt starts. Since I started doing this, I've not had a blister since.

One other piece of advise regarding blisters: while you are walking, and you feel a "hot spot" starting on your foot, that is the time to immediately stop and apply a piece of adhesive tape over the hot spot. This will prevent the blister from getting worse, and will make walking a lot more comfortable, as your sock will now rub over the tape, and not your skin.

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: foxfire]
      #25573 - 03/02/05 01:15 AM

You are right, what good is one without training. Something I must admit I lack and have for sometime wanted to fix.

One thing to carry is a pressure bandage. It can be used instead of a ripped T-shirt, instead of shoe laces and why I think it is a good idea, used to bandage a snake bite. Even I have an idea how to do that.




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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: NitroX]
      #25575 - 03/02/05 01:34 AM

With regard to training. I own a large glass company and have been in the glass business my entire life. I have had on the job first aid training from minor cuts and bruises to major pressure bandages and trauma treatment. I think I've seen and dealt with real first aid. The know how seems to be basic and comes naturally, and formal training is not needed unless your in a remote area where treatment can be hours away. But you can't help if you don't have the tools.
Always carry some sort of first aid kit.

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: foxfire]
      #25584 - 03/02/05 03:59 AM

I received my first aid training in the military and kept it up in civilian life. You're right, knowledge is the most important thing, but a kit makes things much simpler.
Long ago I got into the habit of carrying a first aid kit whilst shooting. I tend to stalk alone or with a partner, rarely with a professional stalker. I use a small webbing ammunition pouch attached to my belt and carry the usual band aids, some small bandages,alcohol swabs, safety pins and butterfly sutures. Also some aspirin or paracetomol and I wrap the whole lot in a plastic survival bag, in case I can't walk out and need protection from the cold and wet on the hill.

The most important thing I carry however is a large shell dressing, for major wounds. it can be tied in place and if need be packed with clothing or anything else handy. I also usually carry a length of paracord and a good knife. ( I have a swiss army hunter in my pocket and a Cold Steel SRK on my belt ). the whole shebang weighs about a pound or so and is unobtrusive on the belt.

In africa, I carried this minus the survival bag. As previously stated, the Outfitters First Aid kit was always left with the vehicle.

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: Metswedi]
      #25586 - 03/02/05 04:15 AM

I carry a small 1st Aid kit on my belt which consists of a few plasters, basic drugs, a military wound dressing for gunshot wounds etc and a crepe bandage for snake bite treatment or attaching a splint etc. I also have a very comprehensive kit in the hunting truck which includes a "giving set" which has everything in it to ensure hygenic transfusions etc...........and I know how to use it.

I've been promised a set of inflatable splints by someone but they haven't arived yet.

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: Metswedi]
      #25600 - 03/02/05 02:08 PM

...would you also suggest, in addition to the large wound dressing, carrying the newer 'liquid bandages' that supposedly stop bleeding immediately?...

...i also usually carry a similar kit, more so when hunting with the kids...

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: ThomasEdwards]
      #25605 - 03/02/05 03:50 PM

I've never seen it, so couldn't comment......perhaps one of our medical members might like to?

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: shakari]
      #25615 - 03/02/05 11:04 PM

A couple of years ago, Don Heath wrote an article in African Hunter describing a disposable medical stapler for first aid kits. Being the legend that he is (!), he tested it by drawing a line down his forearm with a biro, then whacking a half-dozen staples into it, as if it was a wound!

In Australia, these things sell for about $40 with 30 stainless-steel staples on board, in a sterile blister-pack.

...so I grabbed one to add to my Section Med-kit. Incidentally, I 'draw the line' at stapling my own arm cold-turkey!

The other additional goodies I have acquired over the years include a set of inflatable splints, and a 'magic whistle' complete with two ampoules of 'get-high' (don't ask!).

Unfortunately, the kit is now getting a bit heavy and is often left with the vehicle....

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: ThomasEdwards]
      #25616 - 03/02/05 11:13 PM

We have a first aid company (Zee Medical) that comes to the office and fills the first aid kits once a month. They sold us those "urgent care" kits that stop bleeding immediately. Thank goodness we haven't had to try them out. But the thought of them sold us and the package is small enough to put in an individual first aid kit. So, even without knowing if it works I'm adding one to my first aid kit.
I believe it will stop a large open wound from bleeding but not aterial bleeding.
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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: shakari]
      #25617 - 04/02/05 01:13 AM

Steve as always you are a star, carrying a belt first aid pouch during the hunt.

I had a good think and do not ever remember one being carried with on my trips (except by me!). Always one in the vehicle but that could be a far distance away.

To date I have never needed one on my hunts except for one time I fell face first down a cliff goat hunting. Just minor cuts and abrasions, cradled the rifle and prevented it from being damaged. Guess what I didn't carry with that hunt.



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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: NitroX]
      #25626 - 04/02/05 04:22 AM

John,

The only time I've ever used my 1st Aid kit was on myself when I got a (very inconsequential) dab from a Leopard.....other that that, just a neurofen or two (and I hope that continues!)........furtunately, my partner Susan is a very experienced cardio-thoracic theatre nurse (also with further qualifications in tropical medicine)......so she dictates what goes in the kit.......thanks to her, it's pretty comprehensive. ..........actually on reflection, I have a lot to thank her for as she's also the brains and organisational ability of the outfit.

.........just my bloody luck she wasn't around when the Leopard nailed me!!

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: foxfire]
      #25639 - 04/02/05 12:48 PM

...appreciate the reply...i suppose our military posters would have relevant field data on this...

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: ThomasEdwards]
      #25662 - 05/02/05 02:01 AM

Thomas,

I'm not sure what you mean by liquid bandages, but if you mean what I think you mean it's a brush on liquid for small open wounds?

I've been discussing them with Susan and she tells that any dressing that completely seals the wound is a bad idea as it doesn't allow it to breathe and seals in any infection and allows it to fester........not does it allow any pus etc to escape.

........I'm sure she could explain in proper medical terms but that's this laymans version.

I forgot to say in my previous post that Susan also comes along on many of the hunts which is always useful......esp on DG hunts. She's never had to deal with any serious injuries as I'm a cautious man and hunt that way......but she regularly has to run a bit of a clinic for the camp and staff etc.!

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: shakari]
      #25676 - 05/02/05 12:15 PM

I haven't heard of these liquid bandages either. I concur with steve's comments, this is exactly what we were taught.
Put NOTHING on the wound except a clean sterile dressing and apply pressure to stop bleeding. Once the dressing is applied, do not remove it, if it becomes soaked, apply another one on top.

We were taught that the main function was to provide immediate aid to prevent worsening of the situation and to stabilise the causualty until expert assistance was obtained. In the military we could administer the personal Morphine ampoules if neccessary but in civilian circles you cannot administer any kind of drug, antiseptic or ointment. In many workplaces a first aider is not able to administer even a simple pain killer like aspirin or paracetamol in case of an adverse reaction.

First aid kits then will usually just contain band aids, a few sterile dressings, bandages and triangular bandages to make slings. Very little else. Naturally in the bush or on the hill, medical aid can take longer to arrive so we stalkers generally add a few more items for our own peace of mind, taking account of course, the weight and the bulk.

I've used inflatable splints before but I wouldn't want to be lugging them around the Scottish highlands, better to immobilise the limb and wait for the medics. I would definitely recommend a shell dressing (Steve's military wound drsssing). compact but extremely useful. Can even be used to start a fire in an emergency!!!

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: shakari]
      #25713 - 05/02/05 07:36 PM

steve,

...yes, except the product i carry in the field first aid kit is called 'bleed extreme' (from cabelas)...it comes as a powder and is supposed to be sprinkled onto a wound to form a blood stopping seal immediately for emergency (trauma) situations...i would suppose that this seal would be removed at the hospital/clinic for further treatment purposes and for the infection aspects noted...commercial dressing companies such as 'band-aid' offer a similar liquid product for smaller abrasions, punctures, etc...

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: ThomasEdwards]
      #25714 - 05/02/05 07:56 PM

I do know that some people carry one of those hand held electric shockers which are designed for self defense as a treatment for snake bite. The idea is that the current breaks down the chains of protein in the venom.

The theory has been under investigation for some years, but as far as I know there has not been anything decided or published about the effectiveness of the treatment......which is why I don't carry one myself. Once it's been proven to work then I'll buy one, until then, I'll stick with the traditional treatment of immobilising the limb and getting qualified medical help asap.

I can't help but feel that if I was on the ground writhing about in agony from a snakebite the last thing I'd want to see is some bugger coming towards me with one of those things in his hands!!

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: shakari]
      #25716 - 05/02/05 09:57 PM

To answer the first question, I can't say that either of the PHs I hunted with in Zim or Namibia had a first-aid kit on them out in the field. It was left in the truck.

But I myself always had a compact military sterile wound dressing that fit in my pocket.

While driving around in Africa, we had such an extensive medical kit that we were practically a mobil hospital! Luckily, besides various sicknesses/diseases which we dealt with using appropriate anti-biotics and drugs, the only "traumatic wound" we had to deal with was a second degree burn my wife got on her foot in north Mozambique. After poring the one bottle of cold water we had on the burn, we used a special gel bandage that is made to "suck out the heat" if water is unavailable. I doubt that all the anti-biotics we had would be needed on a hunt, but a good broadspectored anti-biotic would be an idea to bring with you for a large cut or wound to keep it from getting infected right from the start. Obviously one would have to complete the cure as prescribed even if infection didn't set in.

There are a couple of products which are made to stop traumatic bleeding, and are used in a few military forces. One is Trauma-Dex, and the other is QuickClot. They both "powder like" and both create rapid coagulation of the blood, basically by sucking up excess water, and consentating the blood platelets which creates a (fragile!) bloodclot.
However, I had a long discussion about this the other week with the Norwegian militarys cheif trauma surgeon. According to his tests, a correctly applied good sterile dressing and pressure works almost about the same by itself, and a sterile dressing and applying pressure is needed ontop of these powder products anyway if they are to work correctly. So one must ask if the slight increase in coagulation is worth the weight of carrying them around on a hunt, which after all isn't in a warzone! Usually! They only weigh about 100 grams, but everything adds up...

I think the most important thing is being able to deal with wounds based on knowledge. Fancy bandages and equipment doesn't help much if one doesn't know how to utilize them properly. I suggest that those who haven't recieved first-aid training in the military or simular, take a course at the local Red Cross, or whatever other options are available nearby. One thing is saving your own life, but a bit of knowledge can help you save someone elses life, which is just as important. It could be a loved one that gets hurt...

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: shakari]
      #25720 - 05/02/05 11:43 PM

In reply to:

I can't help but feel that if I was on the ground writhing about in agony from a snakebite the last thing I'd want to see is some bugger coming towards me with one of those things in his hands!!



That is why I take a stick cattle prod with me.

Any ailment is instantly cured when it is brought out and brandished as an instant internal first aid cure-all.




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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: NitroX]
      #25721 - 05/02/05 11:49 PM

Can anyone list the contents of two good first aid kits.

One to take on a safari but not walking. Perferably compact, doesn't fill a ruck sack and also doesn't get one a long free stay or a quick short step and jerk in Singapore or similar climes.

The second a small kit to put in a belt pouch or bum bag.

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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: NitroX]
      #25742 - 06/02/05 05:26 AM

Susan & I have just sat down and made a list of what we have in our various First Aid kits.

This is not a list of what a client should necessarily bring to Africa, it's a list of what we, as a professional hunting company, feel we need to have to cover any eventuality - emergencies through to minor discomforts that may spoil a hunt for a client, the staff and ourselves.

We also supply each client with relevant health information for the country they are visiting and a list of basic first aid supplies & medications. Clients may have specific brands they prefer & suits them best.

We also ask clients to tell us of any medical conditions they may have that may be relevant if they were in an emergency situation. This also allows us to stay ahead of the game and carry items that may assist with that particular condition and to ensure any prescription drugs are in the truck or on the person.

I guess that in all fairness I should also say that Susan has considerably more medical training than is usually found in a hunting camp, so this list is probably more comprehensive than would be found in many/most hunting areas.

So here's the list:-

Carry on Belt:

Gun shot (military) dressing – purpose made with padding & ties
Tampax style tampon – plugging gun shot wounds
Crepe 4” or 6” crepe bandage – splinting, snake bite
Small penknife
Simple painkillers – headaches etc
Anti diarrhoeals
Plasters
Condoms


Hunting Truck:

Sterile surgical gloves – various sizes
Non-sterile gloves
Bandages various – elastic, crepe, gauze
Sling
Dressings various – non-stick pads, plasters, opsite, burns
Adhesive tapes – various sizes & types
Sanitary pads – extra wound padding (wings not necessary)
Alcohol wipes
Sterile syringes - various sizes
Sterile needles - various sizes
Sterile scalpel blades
Sterile (injectable) water ampoules
Sterile saline ampoules
Optical saline – eyewash
Malaria testing kit
Iodine spray/ other antiseptic spray
Scissors
Safety Pins
Thermometer
Condoms – extremity wound dressing cover, water carrying
Steri-strip wound closures
Tweezers
Eyepads
Cotton wool
Airway
Pen torch
Space blanket
Sunscreen/block

Drugs:
Anti diarrhoeals
Analgesics - basic to medium strength
Anti-inflammatory drugs
Anti biotics – pills, injectable & topical cream
Antihistamines - pills & topical
Hydrocortisone Cream
Rehydration powder sachets
Nasal decongestant spray

Custom additions for clients with known disorders eg diabetics & bee-sting allegery:

Glucose drinks
Epi - pens
Client prescription drugs – ensure these are carried

Kept in Hunting Camp:

IV Giving set & cannulae – various sizes (for guaranteed sterility & use in local medical facility)
Malaria treatment drugs
Athletes foot cream
Thrush treatment cream
Sutures (various) & Needle holder
Dental kit – temp filling material, crown cement, dental mirror
Gel Ice packs
Vaseline

Although it's not a first aid component it's also a good idea to have a sat-phone about the place somewhere.



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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: shakari]
      #25777 - 06/02/05 06:22 PM

Shakari,
You have a very comprehensive list. What I would add to the carry on bag is a condom. For gun shot wounds you put the tampax in the condom and then in the wound and fill the condom with water. The benefits are that you won't get any cotton sticking to the wounb and the latex of the comdom helps the wound tho sweat, thereby removing dirt. This is a trick I learned in my army days. A condom also works well in a dusty areas to cover your scope lenses and barrel to keep out the dust.


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Re: First aid kits on safari [Re: SAHUNT]
      #25778 - 06/02/05 07:02 PM

Jaco,

Ooops, I missed out the condom in the belt pack......I do keep a couple there but forgot to put them on the list......I'll amend it now. However, I've never thought of using one as part of a wound dressing.

As for using one as a scope cover.......I don't use a scope so it wouldn't be necessary. Actually one of my pet hates are those bloody silly pop up scope covers that people use. They often seem to get forgotten until we're on "finals" and then they make a noise when they're opened......

As for using a condom to cover the end of the barrel, well perhaps we have to use use bigger condoms up here than you guys down in Centurion We find the condoms we buy up here are FAR too big to grip the barrel of our rifles.......and I shoot a heavy barrelled .500 Jeff!...........personally, I always tape the muzzle of my rifle over to keep out the dust.

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