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Crusader68
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Bar in wood action
#253325 - 08/09/14 08:51 PM

Ive seen a few doubles, mostly older, that have an action that is referred to as a bar-in-wood action, can anyone explain the specifics of what makes these different than the common back actions or boxlocks? I noticed the cross pin isn't visible as it usually would be, is that the difference that the stock wood covers the front section of the action?

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Igorrock
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Re: Bar in wood action [Re: Crusader68]
#253327 - 08/09/14 10:14 PM

In this article you could see what means bar-in-wood -action.

http://www.shotgunlife.com/shotguns/guns/philipp-ollendorff-master-gunmaker.html

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Re: Bar in wood action [Re: Crusader68]
#253328 - 08/09/14 10:21 PM

The bar in wood actions are certainly beautiful guns. They may have been an attempt to capture the clean lines of a muzzleloader.

The sides of the action bar are cut away to allow a space for the wood. The wood in these areas is quite delicate, and unfortunately prone to cracking. The action bar itself is usually wider and a little deeper, with sometimes more metal behind the detonators. This is to get the same action bar cross section for strength. They may end up, in some cases, heavier than a solid bar action.

Occasional examples are still made today.

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Re: Bar in wood action [Re: MikeRowe]
#253334 - 08/09/14 11:10 PM

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=194053&an=&page=0&vc=1

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Crusader68
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Re: Bar in wood action [Re: NitroX]
#253366 - 09/09/14 04:13 PM

MikeRowe: thank you for the clarification, at first I though the action bar might be held by the wood but that would not hold together.
NitroX: very nice, Westley Richards is my hands down favorite British bespoke gunmakers. Have you shot the 10 bore? I'm guessing its a black powder proof, I'm curious how well the lock-up is after almost a century and a half.

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tinker
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Re: Bar in wood action [Re: Crusader68]
#253367 - 09/09/14 04:20 PM

Hey John - WTF ever happened with that 10 bore?

Do you need to ship it to me..?

:-)

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Re: Bar in wood action [Re: tinker]
#253370 - 09/09/14 05:50 PM

Most bar in wood guns by other gunmakers leave the hinge pin area uncovered, that is some metal is visble there. The Westley-Richards 10 bore shows their proprietary Crab Joint, covered by Westley -Richard's British patent 2506 of 1862.

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NitroX
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Re: Bar in wood action [Re: kuduae]
#253392 - 10/09/14 02:49 AM

Getting the WR 10-bore shooting is on the list, pretty much at the top, after a couple of easier ones.

The 10-bore needs some stuff imported.

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Re: Bar in wood action [Re: NitroX]
#253416 - 11/09/14 12:40 AM

Close friend of mine has a bar and wood 16 bore Westley Richards 'pelter' refurbished in the 1970's by H&H. . Like brand new - perfect. I might be able to get a picture- will have to see.

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tinker
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Re: Bar in wood action [Re: DarylS]
#253418 - 11/09/14 01:52 AM

Do it Daryl!

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JabaliHunter
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Re: Bar in wood action [Re: tinker]
#253439 - 11/09/14 08:51 AM

Tha MacNaughton 'Edinburgh' bar in wood is quite attractive, but I have only ever seen shotguns and never a double rifle

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Re: Bar in wood action [Re: JabaliHunter]
#253445 - 11/09/14 01:23 PM

Beautifful guns! The new John Dickson company and Philippe Ollendorf both make them. Shotguns only.

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