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EDELWEISS
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Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle?
      #250769 - 20/07/14 07:27 PM

OK not varmints, but everything Wild Bore, Whitetail, Black Bear, etc? My whitetail buddies tend to use much lighter cartridges, some even use 556/223; but most are in the 308 or 30-06 range, so a 375 doesnt seem a huge leap.

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: EDELWEISS]
      #250770 - 20/07/14 07:44 PM

No, but its fun to have others!

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: Well_Well_Well]
      #250772 - 20/07/14 08:22 PM

Superb calibre.

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #250773 - 20/07/14 09:03 PM

A compromise always has pluses and minuses. Too much for the smaller stuff, but sometimes a little too little for the big stuff. But still the best all round classic choice.

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: NitroX]
      #250785 - 21/07/14 01:33 AM

I have a Ruger M77 in 375 Ruger caliber. I can load it from 358 Winchester level all the way up past H&H levels. All of this in a gun that weighs about the same as an average deer rifle. I don't use it as my deer rifle, but I would if all I had was this one rifle. I have a 308 and 30/06 for that.

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: TOBY458]
      #250787 - 21/07/14 01:44 AM

Toby- my .375 shoots very well indeed with a full case of Trail Boss along with a 310gr. flat nose case bullet, producing a velocity of 1,350fps.

This is slightly higher speed than a 300gr. .38/55 load with black powder - it's a "go-pow"plinking load, no recoil and low noise that will handle any game close in, up to moose and elk.

The only problem I see with most .375's being the Good For Everything, is many people today prefer lighter guns than the typical .375.

This is also try of the 'modern' muzzleloading community where the participants will sacrifice the steady offhand shooting stability of a nice 10 pound rifle, for a lightweight gun that cannot be held steady, due to poor or very little muscle development, I assume.

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: DarylS]
      #250803 - 21/07/14 05:36 AM

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: NitroX]
      #250822 - 21/07/14 01:04 PM

I think we need to define our terms.

What does "too much" mean?

To answer that simple question we have to define our mission statement.
If the mission is to kill deer we need to ask if the deer is living among buildings and people. If so any rifle with a bullet that will penetrate the deer and come out the other side going faster than about 200 FPS is too much. If the deer is living out in the hills or the woods, it would not be too much because it kills them well.

I used a 375H&H for 2 years back in Nevada when coyote hides were averaging $90 each in good condition. I used 300 grain solids and it killed them wonderfully and never damaged a hide. Sure the power was WAY more than I needed to kill them, but the results on the hides were wonderful and I paid for a near new Toyota Land Cruiser in only 5 months with nothing but hide money.

So,,, it’s not too much for coyotes in open country.
It is too much for game around farm buildings.
If the mission is simply to kill rock chucks it works as well as a 222 Remington if you don’t mind spending more money on your ammo. It is excellent to kill running jack rabbits with and it does help a LOT for getting ready for big game shooting
So….what does the phrase “too much” really mean?


maybe a better question is this;

Does the ammo cost too much for me to shoot a lot of it?

THAT is something only you can decide

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: szihn]
      #250928 - 23/07/14 09:32 AM

I used mine to shoot a turkey last season. Clipped him just right and didn't spoil a mouthful of meat.

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee461/6thtexas/turkey_zpsf2f02ea0.jpg

Edited by 6thtexas (23/07/14 09:33 AM)

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: szihn]
      #250931 - 23/07/14 10:23 AM

Quote:

I think we need to define our terms.

What does "too much" mean?

To answer that simple question we have to define our mission statement.
If the mission is to kill deer we need to ask if the deer is living among buildings and people. If so any rifle with a bullet that will penetrate the deer and come out the other side going faster than about 200 FPS is too much. If the deer is living out in the hills or the woods, it would not be too much because it kills them well.

I used a 375H&H for 2 years back in Nevada when coyote hides were averaging $90 each in good condition. I used 300 grain solids and it killed them wonderfully and never damaged a hide. Sure the power was WAY more than I needed to kill them, but the results on the hides were wonderful and I paid for a near new Toyota Land Cruiser in only 5 months with nothing but hide money.

So,,, it’s not too much for coyotes in open country.
It is too much for game around farm buildings.
If the mission is simply to kill rock chucks it works as well as a 222 Remington if you don’t mind spending more money on your ammo. It is excellent to kill running jack rabbits with and it does help a LOT for getting ready for big game shooting
So….what does the phrase “too much” really mean?


maybe a better question is this;

Does the ammo cost too much for me to shoot a lot of it?

THAT is something only you can decide




Agree with this entirely..have used solids out of a .416 in Africa to kill small game with very little damage to hides...

Have to say though, unless you are hunting dangerous game, feel there are perhaps better choices for an all around gun..30-06 would be a good start..IMHO

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: Ripp]
      #250939 - 23/07/14 01:26 PM

Depends on the definition of everything. If I was allowed only one rifle for the rest of my life it would be a .375 H&H.

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: Claydog]
      #250945 - 23/07/14 02:54 PM

Yes - 3/8's Inch is easy for bullets as long as there is 3/8" brass or copper tubing and I own a pipe cutter. But- then, a 9.3 would also work as I have a die that reduces .375's to .367" in one pass, as easy as sizing a .300 WinMag case- just lucky, however Lee will make you a 3 die set to do the same thing.

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: DarylS]
      #252532 - 22/08/14 06:11 PM

I love the .375. If I had only one rifle, this would be it. Would I use one as an all rounder on everything- yes. I have plenty of other calibres which I enjoy shooting so I don't need a do it all but in many ways I like the concept!

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: gwh]
      #252535 - 22/08/14 07:38 PM

I agree with szihn - "too much" depends on definition. I've shot rabbits with the 375H&H for the purpose of pest destruction and it was "ideal". Each shot resulted in a carcass flying 10 feet into the air, followed by much laughter from the source of the shot. Make sure you have a proper back-stop of course.

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: mauserand9mm]
      #252544 - 22/08/14 11:20 PM

Everything you've got from the membership so far is spot on. Daryl's point about the round as a cast bullet tosser is 100% true, too, making it cover all the bases. RIPP's point is right on the head, too.

I used mine for about 15 years for everything; varmints, deer, elk, coyotes, feral cats, whatever. Then I contracted a nerve disease that severely damaged my shooting shoulder plexis. That took some years to heal and due to that, I went the other way and jumped on board with 6.5x55's in modern {Ruger} actions.

What I found was that I saw no killing difference on deer and elk and littler critters between the .375 and the 6.5x55, 7x57 and .30-06, the rounds we were using at the time. About that time I read an article by Aagaard that said he really didn't see any difference between the .375 and other rounds like .30-06, etc for such game either. This was in line with opinions of the locals where I lived in South Africa who chuckled at my use of it over there and ribbed me about it as none of them used any such caliber, sticking with .308, .30-06, 7x57, .270 and .303 mostly {one friend had a Mannlicher-Schoenauer 9,3x62 I admit I coveted...}.

So it sort of had me rethinking the .375. Lots of powder, expensive bullets, no really definite advantage for the game and varmints I shoot. Sure, it has some advantage for certain shots, but really, those shots are rarely needed on medium game. And tho I enjoy shooting it every now and then, the expense for all-year and all the practice we do really isn't justified by any ballistic advantage in the field.

It is a superb caliber, one that deserves every bit of acclaim directed at it, but for the stuff most folks do it really is in a sense, "too much".

Today I've settled on three calibers; 9.3x62 carbine for chasing bear, 6.5x55 {and sometimes .264 Win Mag for deer/elk} and for the rest of the year, and I hunt all year, the 5.56/.223 in AR's which I've become an absolute nut for. My old .375 sits in the safe waiting to be handed over to my son whenever he needs something bigger than his meat gun, his .30-06 or his coyote gun {.270} or his all-year everything-that-needs-killin' gun {AR.223}.

The old SAKO might have to wait a long time...

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #252555 - 23/08/14 06:52 AM

No such thing as to much.

If a little is good more is better!

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #252595 - 24/08/14 01:52 PM

I have recently been rereading some of Finn Aagaard's writings and it is hard to dispute what he said. The man had vast experience and a very systematic and thoughtful approach.

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: Rell]
      #252601 - 24/08/14 07:03 PM

Quote:

No such thing as to much.




Something called meat damage may be relevant.

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: EDELWEISS]
      #253081 - 02/09/14 10:37 PM

The first thing to do is stop thinking of the 375 H & H as a cannon. It is just a medium powered rifle.

I have used the 375 spotlight shooting kangaroos for a full week.

The 375 is a very relaxing calibre to own. You don't worry about velocity or ballistic coefficient etc. and etc.

Have you ever noticed the number of very high end wood custom guns are in 375 H & H....and not without reason.

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #253083 - 02/09/14 10:51 PM

I don't buy into meat damage very much. A shoot behind the shoulder may ruin a few ribs but realistically not much of a consideration. On less then ideal shoots I would say recovering the animal trumps a few lbs of ruined meat. A big bullet, deep penetration and an exit hole are worth the cost in venison.

The other option is solids on smaller game, works fine on coyote and up.

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Re: Is the 375 H&H too much for an everything rifle? [Re: Rell]
      #253088 - 03/09/14 01:04 AM

Doesn't damage deer at all - like Rell - behind the shoulder - hole in hole out - dead deer - no problem. About any of the 270 or 300gr. are just fine - I suspect the new 225 Hornady might be the perfect smaller game bullet for it or not. It sure works well if sized down to .366". Just ask 9.3x57!

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