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Rival rifle in 405 WCF
#250061 - 06/07/14 06:54 PM

when you looking for something special in the net you allways stumble about unexpected things like a Manufrance Rival in 405 Winchester

made in 375 NE, 405 Winchester, 303 Brit and 8x50R Lebel

surprisingly Dorlaec had have a similar rifle for sale once as allways beautyful restored

this rifle was build with a Daudeteau action by Manufrance up to 1930 then replaced by a Mauser 98 in 10,75x68 with the same trademark.
I believe the actions still on stock came to an end than. the Daudeteau startet as an military rifle once:
http://armesfrancaises.free.fr/FR%20Daudeteau%20cal%208%20mm.html

Manufrance made hunting rifles in 6,5x53SR Daudeteau (semi rimmed) and 8x53SR Rival -Mimard a necked up version of the original 6,5mm cartridge. this case is very close to the 7,62x54R Mosin cartridge so you can use this brass.

http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11303

a pre WW1 Rival rifle

the Rival mauser in 10,75x68

it seems this long stocks were quite popular in france. manufrance build also lebel sporting rifles with this stock design not to forget the mysterious Grasset in 445 Grasset Nitro Expres a cartridge still unidentified!

the Manufrance Lebel - Africain

the stock remember me allways on the original mauser african model

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#250133 - 07/07/14 10:32 PM

and rifle number 3 sold two years ago also in 405 win
http://www.naturabuy.fr/RARE-CARABINE-RIVAL-CAL-405-5IEME-CAT-item-1046129.html

actually the 405 wasnt a bad idea
its a compromise between common rifle caliber like the 303 and the big nitro express rounds. much better to handle and to shoot like the real big bores and the perfect thing for a farmer, soldier or official.

rifle in 8x50R Lebel

http://www.armes-de-collection.fr/armes-vendues/fusils-carabines/page/18/

a rifle unfortunately without the caliber but showing the nice finnish and colour case hardening that seems typical fore this model
http://www.naturabuy.fr/CARABINE-RIVAL-DE-MANUFRANCE-item-1499044.html

and here is also a short barrel "Mousqueton" rifle for the .375NE 2,5"
http://www.naturabuy.fr/Mousqueton-MANUFRANCE-RIVAL-Syst-DAUDETEAU-Cal-375-Anglais-item-722195.html

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#250152 - 08/07/14 02:24 AM

"made in 375 NE, 405 Winchester, 303 Brit and 8x50R Lebel"

Interesting thread.

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#250278 - 11/07/14 04:38 AM

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#251506 - 03/08/14 10:14 PM

find the 1931 Manufrance catalog in the net
https://www.flickr.com/photos/taffeta/sets/72157622456911039/
while the ammo page have the 10,75x68 and the 405 Winchester for the old and the new Rival rifle there is no page showing the new Rival in 10,75 with a M 98 action in production since 1930.
this ammo is clearly loaded with a french powder also a 450 NE and a 577 NE cartridge. this ammo is unknown to cartridge collectors but maybe there was some kind of powder or ammo monopol than and they import cases and bullets and load it with french powder.

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#253420 - 11/09/14 03:36 AM

another Rival in 8x50R Lebel

barrel lenght 65 cm, serial number 270A
http://www.naturabuy.fr/RIVAL-MANUFRANCE-item-1540792.html

this are very nice sporting rifle's, dont know what happen if I come close to such a thing

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#265510 - 25/05/15 02:00 PM

rival in 8x50R Lebel
http://www.ateliersaintetienne31.fr/arme...manufrance.html

sporter in 6,5 Daudeteau
http://www.ateliersaintetienne31.fr/arme...-daudeteau.html

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#265566 - 26/05/15 06:03 PM

Wow, what a good thread, thanks.

I actually find them a nice looking firearm and wouldn't say no to one in .405.

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: Bidgee]
#265669 - 29/05/15 07:03 PM

If I got a Rival and a .445 Grassette I'll have a nice collection of French sporters, hmm!

Edit: found this

http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-RIVAL-Manufrance-cal-10-75x68-Mauser-item-2545314.html

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#265697 - 30/05/15 09:54 AM

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Which 8mm is this? 8x57?

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: Ash]
#265707 - 30/05/15 02:59 PM

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If I got a Rival and a .445 Grassette I'll have a nice collection of French sporters, hmm!

Edit: found this

http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-RIVAL-Manufrance-cal-10-75x68-Mauser-item-2545314.html

Rival was a trade name not meaning a special action(ok, in the beginning it was the Dauteteau)but a kind of big game rifle. the post war Rival here is looking more in the common big bore rifle style.

the long stock reminds me allways on the African Model Mauser

Vietnam, could be a Rival

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Edited by lancaster (30/05/15 03:01 PM)

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: Carpetsahib]
#265708 - 30/05/15 03:14 PM

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Which 8mm is this? 8x57?

its the 8x53R Dauteteau, a necked up version of the original 6,5x53R Dauteteau http://municion.org/ what was the original round for this rifle. the pic is showing a factory made sporter making by checkering the pistol grip.
this is a semi rimmed case you made on the lathe by using 7,62x54R brass.

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#265715 - 30/05/15 06:03 PM

Lancaster - i refer to the Dauteteau actioned Rival that i would like to get one of

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#265719 - 31/05/15 01:20 AM

Thanks. These are fascinating rifles.

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#271811 - 17/10/15 06:07 PM

Rival in 8x50R Lebel for sale http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-8mm-lebel-rival-item-2892103.html

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#303070 - 15/07/17 03:21 PM

the old Rival catalog pic

and the 1952 Manufrance catalog with the Mauser 98 rival in 10,75x68

http://www.tircollection.com/t31257-le-mas-36-chez-manufrance

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#305033 - 09/09/17 03:14 PM

a short "carbine" in 405 WCF http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-Mas-Rival-Deaudeteau-item-4124207.html

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#317312 - 16/06/18 04:19 AM

a Rival rifle in 8x50R Lebel
https://www.naturabuy.fr/Magnifique-carabinenRIVAL-calibre-8-mm-Lebel-item-4922772.html

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#317359 - 18/06/18 06:38 AM

French cars and guns has never caught interest to me...but this thread however has brought about my attention....atleast in regards to guns and ammunition from French.

Thanks for sharing Lancaster.

Correction to the above: In regards to French cars...Inspector Columbo car was a Peugeot Model 403 which always intriqued me. The car was funny as Columbo...:LOL

https://www.google.com/search?q=columbo+...188&bih=566

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: rigbymauser]
#317364 - 18/06/18 03:19 PM

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French cars and guns has never caught interest to me...but this thread however has brought about my attention....atleast in regards to guns and ammunition from French.

You are right to have no interest in Bugatti or Nicolas Noël Boutet...

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: rigbymauser]
#317365 - 18/06/18 04:18 PM

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French cars and guns has never caught interest to me...but this thread however has brought about my attention....atleast in regards to guns and ammunition from French.

Thanks for sharing Lancaster.

Correction to the above: In regards to French cars...Inspector Columbo car was a Peugeot Model 403 always intriqued me. The car was funny as Columbo...:LOL

https://www.google.com/search?q=columbo+...188&bih=566

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: Rothhammer1]
#317372 - 19/06/18 04:15 AM

very dangerous minefield rigbymauser, a question of national pride

by example I never learn to love german cars with one exception

and if you like the volkswagen you have a affinity for the citroen too

of course, by todays standard they are only marginal better than a Ford T Model

but back to the Rival, there is no doubt that this rifles are very, very pc!

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#317373 - 19/06/18 05:18 AM

I learned back in the 70s the 2CV was made for 2 persons and 50kg of potatos.

Today one rarely see the 2CV anymore.

Fact is I am not much of a carperson. So really no one should take my views into account for anything.

I had a `78 Trans Am once. NIce car back then, but costed my a doublerifle in workshops..:LOL

Give me a Toyota of anykind(except for the Aygo). Never go to car workshops anymore and they have a good milage....and it´s starts every time.

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: rigbymauser]
#322077 - 02/12/18 07:04 AM

https://www.naturabuy.fr/Rare-lunette-Mi...em-5230134.html

Karl Kahles Mignon for the Rival rifle and because its an austrian scope they use also the austrian vienna snap mount!
never see this before

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Re: Rival rifle in 405 WCF [Re: lancaster]
#322079 - 02/12/18 07:18 AM

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when you looking for something special in the net you allways stumble about unexpected things like a Manufrance Rival in 405 Winchester

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That's a good looking rifle! Now YOURS?

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