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AlanD
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Modern Purdey H&H and Westley Richards Bolt Action Rifles
      #250057 - 06/07/14 05:59 PM

Looking at the web sites of the above gunmakers I was stuck by the similarity of the actions used, which all seem to be Mauser. The Purdey and Rigby London Best seem to be quite similar. Holland & Holland seem to use Mauser F2H Mauser actions and Ritterbush, according to their website.

Westley Richards seem to be the only maker that makes a take down bolt action rifle.

Prices vary Westley Richards from 16,500 pounds with the take down feature adding another 3.5K. H&H say from 25,000 pounds. I can't find any pricing for Purdey bolt action rifles. I am not sure what the pricing is for Rigby's London Best, or if there is even have a 'starting from' price.

Has anyone has a close look at the Purdey, H&H or WR? I would be interested to read any comments.

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Re: Modern Purdey H&H and Westley Richards Bolt Action Rifles [Re: AlanD]
      #250081 - 07/07/14 02:56 AM


Well Alan.

All of the above-mentioned names are all good and top end rifles. I have been standing with a modern made H&H mauser in .308Win with nice the custom touches. Nice nice nice. I have also had a few Hartmann & Weiss Mausers in my hands which are executed to perfection. I myself have a Ritterbusch which is also nice. Itīs very difficult to say if any of them are truly protuding soo much better than the rest because these guns are done to owners taste and finish in the top-end of gun-craftmanship.
If Money is absolutly no object I would visit them all and make up my mind from there.
There is always a but....and here comes "my-but"..I see Hartmann Und Weiss as a top-end goal in my "Mauserworld" of understanding. It may just be a brainfart...but let it be...

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Re: Modern Purdey H&H and Westley Richards Bolt Action Rifles [Re: rigbymauser]
      #250082 - 07/07/14 03:01 AM

At one time c.10-20 years ago Purdey tried (and I think failed) to develop their own bolt action rifle.

Nowadays they all use CNC machines and would have the capability of making their own bolt action Mauser 98 clones, but my understanding is the task is much harder than just reverse engineering them and none of them are likely to have the volumes of production to make it worthwhile. It might be different for H & H, but Purdeys were never really "known" for bolt action rifles.

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Re: Modern Purdey H&H and Westley Richards Bolt Action Rifles [Re: AlanD]
      #250089 - 07/07/14 03:28 AM

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Westley Richards seem to be the only maker that makes a take down bolt action rifle.

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I am not sure what the pricing is for Rigby's London Best, or if there is even have a 'starting from' price.




I was only corresponding with Marc Newton of Rigby last week. They were bringing out their first takedown M98 rifle. As for pricing of the London Best, they are bespoke and custom rifles so there would be no standard price.

The "Vintage" line of M98 rifles will have a 'standard' price.

The rifles mostly shown on NE were the "Big Game" model.

A number of Continental gunmakers make a M98 takedown rifle as well.

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Re: Modern Purdey H&H and Westley Richards Bolt Action Rifles [Re: NitroX]
      #250107 - 07/07/14 01:38 PM

I guess they all used Mauser actions until the magnum actions became unavailable. I think some Enfield actions were used by H&H. I have seen photos of them but don't recall seeing one in the flesh. They used Mannlicher actions too i think? Rigby bought theirs barreled from Mauser.

Do any use GMA actions? I seem to recall one maker using them at some stage.

I really like the look of the new Rigby rifles, especially single square bridge with H&H pattern scope mounts.

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Re: Modern Purdey H&H and Westley Richards Bolt Action Rifles [Re: Rockdoc]
      #250124 - 07/07/14 08:39 PM

Magnum actions are available from Mauser.

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Re: Modern Purdey H&H and Westley Richards Bolt Action Rifles [Re: simonsaorsa]
      #250125 - 07/07/14 09:00 PM

Quote:

At one time c.10-20 years ago Purdey tried (and I think failed) to develop their own bolt action rifle.

Nowadays they all use CNC machines and would have the capability of making their own bolt action Mauser 98 clones, but my understanding is the task is much harder than just reverse engineering them and none of them are likely to have the volumes of production to make it worthwhile. It might be different for H & H, but Purdeys were never really "known" for bolt action rifles.



I was in Purdey's about 20 years ago and looked at their bolt action rifle, the chap in the shop assured me they made them and were not bought in. At the time Purdey was the only London gunmaker making a 10 bore.

I realize Purdey are not as well known for their rifles as H&H , Westley Richards and Rigby, although side by side rifles with side clips are sublime as well as strong. A bolt action Purdey would certainly be exclusive as well as beautifully finished, one only has to look at the photo on their web site to see this.

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Re: Modern Purdey H&H and Westley Richards Bolt Action Rifles [Re: AlanD]
      #250130 - 07/07/14 10:04 PM

To my eye the Purdey bolt rifles are beautiful, not only the new ones but also earlier ones. There are a fair number around, more than say Boss bolt rifles or David Mackay Brown.

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Re: Modern Purdey H&H and Westley Richards Bolt Action Rifles [Re: mckinney]
      #250139 - 07/07/14 11:30 PM


To my knowledge boss have only built one in house bolt rifle a 300H&H takedown s-n 10300 stamped 1st b-a rifle. They have embellished a number of built rifles over the years for the odd client.

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Re: Modern Purdey H&H and Westley Richards Bolt Action Rifles [Re: Ahmed577]
      #250141 - 07/07/14 11:35 PM

Having purchased a new H&H bolt in 375 H&H & a new 250-3000 in a kurz action takedown W-R over the last 25 years I must confess the purdey bolt does excite me.

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Re: Modern Purdey H&H and Westley Richards Bolt Action Rifles [Re: Ahmed577]
      #250145 - 07/07/14 11:54 PM

Purdey are certainly making 10 bores. They currently have a 10 bore rifled choke gun in build with a set of smooth bore barrels. I guess in H&H terms you would refer to it being a paradox with a set of interchangeable shotgun barrels. (Purdey named their paradox rifled choke.

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Re: Modern Purdey H&H and Westley Richards Bolt Action Rifles [Re: Ahmed577]
      #263120 - 04/04/15 03:51 PM

Holland & Holland offers the take-down option on their bolt rifles and has for many, many years. They no longer use an interrupted barrel thread. That sort of system, and systems with barrels that unscrew, will loosen over time. Instead H&H went to a system whereby the barrel and action remain joined. In the H&H system the front magazine screw is unscrewed and the barreled action gets lifted up from the front and disconnects at the rear of the action tang. The front magazine screw has a keeper so it doesn't get separated from the magazine and lost.

I have used the system and I will tell you it is excellent. If you look on the underside of an H&H bolt rifle and examine the front magazine screw you can immediately tell whether or not it has the take-down option. The front magazine screw is made larger than the rear and it is conveniently turned with a coin the size of a USA quarter dollar. Accuracy and zero are retained because the barrel never leaves the receiver.


Here you can see an H&H rifle with take-down option: Cased H&H take-down rifle


You can look at the back of the action on this rifle and see the modification that allows it to disconnect: H&H takedown rifle

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Re: Modern Purdey H&H and Westley Richards Bolt Action Rifles [Re: Rockdoc]
      #263127 - 04/04/15 07:46 PM

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I guess they all used Mauser actions until the magnum actions became unavailable. I think some Enfield actions were used by H&H. I have seen photos of them but don't recall seeing one in the flesh. They used Mannlicher actions too i think? Rigby bought theirs barreled from Mauser.

Do any use GMA actions? I seem to recall one maker using them at some stage.

I really like the look of the new Rigby rifles, especially single square bridge with H&H pattern scope mounts.





I have a very vague (and quite possibly incorrect) recollection that Rigby of Paso Robles used some GMA actions in the way they used Merkel actions for the doubles.

I haven't a clue where I got the idea from though.

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