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The Ennedi Tiger - does the sabretooth tiger still exist?
      #247765 - 23/05/14 09:39 PM

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The Ennedi Cat, does the Sabretooth tiger still exist in Africa today?

in the ennedi moutains in north-east chad

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotosa...-113407-17.html







two of the last dessert crocodiles


you may find it amusing or just interesting but its also the home of the ennedi tiger I learned today

"The Ennedi tiger is a purportedly living Sabertooth cat inhabiting the Ennedi Plateau, located in the east of Chad, in Sub-Saharan Africa.[1]

There are reports of two different species, one that mainly inhabits the mountains (called Hadjel, Gassingram, or Vossoko), and a Water-inhabiting one (called Mourou N'gou, Mamaimé, or Dilali).

The Mountain type, according to the reports, is larger than a lion and lacks a tail. The teeth protrude from the mouth, and the feet are hairy. The coloration is red or reddish-brown with white stripes. It is strong enough to carry off large antelopes. It is nocturnal and cave dwelling in the Ouadai district of the Ennedi mountain range. Natives described it to western explorers, who identified it as a Machairodus sabertooth.

The Water type is of unknown relation to the first, although it is also larger than a lion (8–12 feet), very fierce, and has protruding teeth. The animal's color pattern is red with white markings (comparable to mountain cats), to leopard-like with stripes, to uniform brown. Its teeth are always described as "walrus-like" and the tail is always long in reports. Some have suggested an otter as a candidate. Its habitat extends into the Central African Republic. There are also tales of water lions in folklore in Congo, Angola, Zimbabwe, Kenya and Sudan. A cave drawing that illustrates a walrus-like creature with a long tail exists in South Africa.

A related footnote: the last lions in the Sahara also survived here, until they became extinct before mid-20th century (the last lion was seen in 1940)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ennedi_tiger



According to scientific orthodoxy the African sabre-toothed tigers, such as Megantereon and Afrosmilus died out 500,000 years ago. However in certain African countries such as the Central African Republic and Chad sabre-toothed tigers have been seen by the locals in modern times.

The animal is known by the French speakers of the Zagaoua peoples of the escarpments of the Ennedi mountains as "tigre de montagne." They describe it as being larger than a lion but lacking a tail. It possesses red banded fur with white stripes and it has long hairs on its feet. It also has teeth that protrude from its mouth. It inhabits the mountains and caves of Ennedi and it is so strong it can carry away sizeable antelopes.

In the mountainous Tibesti region of Chad the sabre-tooth is known as "nisi" or "noso." It is said to attack hens and slit the throats of goats without eating them. There are completely black specimins. In 1975 Christian Le Noel was leading an eland hunt from Derby near the river Ouandja 25km from Tirongoulou on the Chad-Sudan border when he heard a howling from a cave like nothing he had heard before. His tracker refused to go any further, saying that it was the sabre-tooth.
Sabretooth cat, Smilodon
Photo Ref: T01446 Title: Sabretooth cat, Smilodon

The people of Temki, Hadjeray in south-west Chad call the sabre-toothed tiger the "hadjel." Wounds have been found on hippos corresponding to those which might be inflicted by the teeth of a sabre-toothed tiger. Christian Le Noel witnessed a hippo which had died of strange wounds which could only have been given by a cat armed with exceptionally well developed upper canine teeth."
http://www.cryptozoology.net/sabretoothtiger/english.html

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An image of a prehistoric sabretooth tiger.


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Re: The Ennedi Tiger - does the sabretooth tiger still exist? [Re: NitroX]
      #247766 - 23/05/14 09:50 PM

Hmmm, a little of the Loch Ness monster here methinks best, Mike

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Re: The Ennedi Tiger - does the sabretooth tiger still exist? [Re: NitroX]
      #247767 - 23/05/14 09:56 PM




An image of what they were assumed to look like.


Pre-historic "scene".


From popular fiction.


"Proof" they still exist as Richard Nixon is fighting one in this cartoon ...


A sabretooth tiger skull

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Re: The Ennedi Tiger - does the sabretooth tiger still exist? [Re: NitroX]
      #247789 - 24/05/14 01:16 AM

its an iteresting problem if you have enough time

to be exactly there are a lot of problems and the most importent is communication. if you talk with the natives there is allways a language barrier. do you realy understand what they say? and do you realy understand what they mean? you know what a sabretooth tiger was but the native probably dont know it so you take the term "sabretooth" and label the words of the native with this. what you realy do is to act as if you had the same mind like he have.
karen blixen wrote somewhere that bantu's stop in the development of their consciousness on the level of a 9 years old, somali on the level of a 13 years old. this does not meaning they are not real humans or is a cild of 9 years or an old man of 90 not a human like you and me.
this watching was the explanation of the colonial age when the western civilisation had to care for the young and underdevelopt people in the today third world.


something to think about it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOxuRIfFs0w


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Re: The Ennedi Tiger - does the sabretooth tiger still exist? [Re: lancaster]
      #247809 - 24/05/14 04:48 AM

I love this bit

"Wounds have been found on hippos corresponding to those which might be inflicted by the teeth of a sabre-toothed tiger."


Might be sabre toothed hippo wounds methinks

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Re: The Ennedi Tiger - does the sabretooth tiger still exist? [Re: gryphon]
      #247811 - 24/05/14 05:27 AM

Quote:

I love this bit

"Wounds have been found on hippos corresponding to those which might be inflicted by the teeth of a sabre-toothed tiger."


Might be sabre toothed hippo wounds methinks




No kidding.
You must look past the obvious to make the leap to a sabre tooth cat.

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Re: The Ennedi Tiger - does the sabretooth tiger still exist? [Re: gryphon]
      #247813 - 24/05/14 06:20 AM

Quote:

I love this bit

"Wounds have been found on hippos corresponding to those which might be inflicted by the teeth of a sabre-toothed tiger."


Might be sabre toothed hippo wounds methinks




Crocodiles? Lions?

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Re: The Ennedi Tiger - does the sabretooth tiger still exist? [Re: lancaster]
      #247881 - 25/05/14 10:03 PM

Quote:

its an iteresting problem if you have enough time

to be exactly there are a lot of problems and the most importent is communication. if you talk with the natives there is allways a language barrier. do you realy understand what they say? and do you realy understand what they mean? you know what a sabretooth tiger was but the native probably dont know it so you take the term "sabretooth" and label the words of the native with this. what you realy do is to act as if you had the same mind like he have.
karen blixen wrote somewhere that bantu's stop in the development of their consciousness on the level of a 9 years old, somali on the level of a 13 years old. this does not meaning they are not real humans or is a cild of 9 years or an old man of 90 not a human like you and me.
this watching was the explanation of the colonial age when the western civilisation had to care for the young and underdevelopt people in the today third world.


something to think about it




Haven't had a chance to look at the videos yet. Karen Blixen also commented on the African's dislike of monotony. That they don't cope will with regular and boring activities. Perhaps related to the above. Of course a generalisation, but it is true different cultures have different values and characteristics.

A very noticeable feature of the like of excitement is if one ever gets to see when a pickpocket gets outed on an African city street. I watched the excitement from a tall hotel window in Nairobi in 1988. A pickpocket gets seen, someone yells out, the pickpocket runs for it. Everyone joins in the chase, from every direction. The pickpocket ducks and weaves, changes direction, jumps over tables, plants, people chasing from every direction. Eventually gets caught and soundly beaten.

I read about this phenomenon in a book before or after this. The American journalist author who lived in Africa for decades said - you may think the people are very law abiding and hate crime, chasing down a thief like that. But it is nothing to do with being law abiding, but instead the excitement of the chase, catching and beating someone, that is behind it all. A love of excitement and a dislike of boredom.

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