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bakposten
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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: DarylS]
      #223124 - 08/01/13 11:09 AM

And then you have the 307 winchester..

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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: bakposten]
      #223127 - 08/01/13 11:30 AM

The 307 Win is a semi-rimed cartridge with very little for the extractor to grab, but has gotten my attention for making a 243 rimmed cartridge for a double rifle! All that would be is to run the 307 case in a 7mm neck die, and then a 243 die to form the brass.
However this would certainly go over 50K in pressure. I still wish I had my 30-30 double back!




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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #223137 - 08/01/13 01:37 PM

The .307 and .356 Winchesters are both listed as 60,000PSI CIP factory ctgs, same as the .308, on the chart I have.
http://kwk.us/pressures.html

One could get better than .30/30 ballistics with the .307 - but how much better? I think I'd rather go with a straightened .220 Swift case. Better rim and about the same capacity or a bit more. Will have to check - sometime.

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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: DarylS]
      #223147 - 08/01/13 05:09 PM

In Europe 7,62x51R normally has been called .307 Win. Yes, "7" isn´t a typo.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/307win.htm

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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: Brian]
      #223151 - 08/01/13 06:04 PM

Brian I would go with the 30-30 double. A Win Model94 in 30-30 was the first centre fire I bought. Never had to shoot a pig twice with it and as others have said you canuse it out to 200mts when you know the trajectory.

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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: CptCurl]
      #223162 - 09/01/13 01:05 AM

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Keep in mind, in spite of all the discussion above, that a double rifle will be specific to one bullet weight (or a very narrow range of weights). While you can shuck any bullet weight through the Win. '94 and compensate with the rear sight elevator, the DR will rigidly demand it's chosen bullet weight. So "versatility" in this sense depends on the load your Chapuis wants to shoot.




With all due respect to CptCurl, I would disagree somewhat. Regulation and fixed sights may call for one consistant bullet weight and charge, but as per the discussion above, if I were hiking and hunting with a light double in big bear country, I wouldn't hesitate to sleep at night and at times carry with a heavier load to point and shoot in self defense at close range, as long as it were within the pressure limits of the break-open action. Of course the alternative is always just to strap on a .44 Magnum or .45 Colt revolver if one doesn't mind the extra hardware!

Similarly, although this may be against the religion of many here (including myself), if one adds a scope to a DR it opens up the possibility of using at least one barrel at ranges beyond regulation, or with somewhat lighter loads for varmint hunting, at least within the limits of the rate of twist in the rifling. I believe there is more versatility in a double than conventional wisdom might expect.

All the best.

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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: Brian]
      #223222 - 09/01/13 12:31 PM

Brian ,
I have one of the Round action Chapuis 30/30's with the 28 gauge BBL's . It's regulated with the 160 grain Hornady Leveroution . I own quite a few doubles and this is by far my favorite !!!! It's scoped with leopold 1x4 compact scope. As to the power of the 30/30 , I have used it with good effect on pigs and deer . I really can't imagine a better combination for most of the USA (30/30 with 28 gauge) .
It's accurate and very well made , I love mine and shoot it almost every week don't think you can go wrong with this one.
Robert

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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: Igorrock]
      #223487 - 13/01/13 03:53 AM

Page 315 of “The Handloaders Manual Of Cartridge Conversions” by John J. Donnelly

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“30-30 Winchester: Other name 7.62X51R

Page 352 of “The Handloaders Manual Of Cartridge Conversions”

307 Winchester: No other name

Page 356 of “The Handloaders Manual Of Cartridge Conversions”
308 Winchester: other names 7.62X51mm NATO & 30 CAL T-65




Quote:

Page 82 of “Cartridges Of The World” 8th edition By Frank C. Barnes

30-30 Winchester: 7.62X51MMR


Page 55 of Cartridges Of The The World

Paragraph #2 of the description: The 307 caliber designation is to avoid confusing this cartridge with other .30 calibers.



The 30-30 Winchester has been listed as the 7.62X 51R in Europe since 1900! Like all cartridges listed in Europe converted from other countries this is also a mish-mash of confusion. However the 30-30 Winchester was listed in Europe as 7.62X51mmR before the 308, ( 7.62X51mm NATO and 30 CAL T-65) or the 307 Winchester even existed!

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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #223558 - 13/01/13 10:53 PM

The 30-30 Winchester has been listed as the 7.62X 51R in Europe since 1900! Like all cartridges listed in Europe converted from other countries this is also a mish-mash of confusion. However the 30-30 Winchester was listed in Europe as 7.62X51mmR before the 308, ( 7.62X51mm NATO and 30 CAL T-65) or the 307 Winchester even existed!

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http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4209009&PHPSESSID=13b864f7a2d6e5c6df3e4101dc457cd1

That's right , but today not longer to avoid any possibility of confusion with other cartridges like the 7,62 x51 NATO or the 307 Winchester .

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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: Brian]
      #223600 - 14/01/13 02:08 PM

A Chapuis 30/30 is on my bucket list. It was adequate for deer 100 years ago, and is even better today.

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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: Idahoshooter]
      #230647 - 29/05/13 02:05 PM

Brian,

A double .30/30 is high on my wish list.

For pigs (feral hogs) it'd be a great "kick em out and shoot em" gun. Should be able to be built lightly enough to be in your hands when you need it..........and not on a sling.

With heavy/long round soft nose projectiles it should penetrate/kill very well. A "Texas heart shot" on the biggest boar should be effective. Can't see why it wouldn't do the same job on the biggest Whitetail Buck or a Black Bear.

The same could be said for a .303 British or a .30/40 Krag.......they'd give more velocity .....but would you need it ?????

The Chapuis looks well built......and if it fits you well it should serve you well to 100yds, and as others have said here 200yds....in the hands of a good shot.

I'd suggest that a .30/30 double would see far more use than one of the bigger "blasters" due to it's modest recoil and relative cheap cost to shoot.

Dugaboy,

Be sure to share the build process with us when you decide to replace your much missed double.

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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: DarylS]
      #231666 - 26/06/13 05:59 AM

I was looking at buying a 7x57r in the same fly weight double. JJ at Champlin kind of talked me out of it. My understanding is that it's not that rigidly made. It 's not that it is poorly made, just not very rigid and that as such it tends to be a little less accurate then the second size, especially with a scope.

Size 1 - 7x57r, 6.5x57r, 9.3x74r, and 30-30
Size 2 - 7x65r, 30 blaser and 9.3x74r
Size 3 - 450-400 and 300 win mag
Size 4 - 470 and 500

I'm sure that is incomplete but it's how it was explained to me and might help explain my less then perfect terminology of the frame sizes.

I was intrigued by the fly weight double but I ended going for the one a little bit bigger.

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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: Rell]
      #244481 - 27/03/14 10:47 AM

Just received a Chapuis combo set in 30-30, and 28 bore. I have very limited results so far, but off the top, it seems it will work very well with my handloads, as well as Remington 150 gr factory- this regulated with the 160 Leverevolution, which the factory targets show at 1" horizontal, 1/2" vertical, at 50 m. Now, I have just test fired, at various ranges in the dirt- no targets yet, but it seems this one is at least as accurate as I can see with a variety of loads. So far, it looks like this is at least as accurate as any of my other doubles.

Problem is, the bloody thing has a 15 1/2" pull!!! Curiously, if I close my eyes, pull it up, and open them the sights are aligned! Seems to catch on my clothing on the way up though. Will see how this works in the skeet range soon, before I amputate 5/8 from the stock.

So far, I'm very impressed! Once the length of pull and the sights get sorted out, I think it's a keeper. BTW, 30-30 is a VERY serviceable cartridge when you aren't talking big stuff- in the new loadings about what the .303, and 30-40 were. No flies on this one!

Doug

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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: bwanabobftw]
      #244593 - 29/03/14 01:19 PM

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Brian ,
I have one of the Round action Chapuis 30/30's with the 28 gauge BBL's . It's regulated with the 160 grain Hornady Leveroution . I own quite a few doubles and this is by far my favorite !!!! It's scoped with leopold 1x4 compact scope. As to the power of the 30/30 , I have used it with good effect on pigs and deer . I really can't imagine a better combination for most of the USA (30/30 with 28 gauge) .
It's accurate and very well made , I love mine and shoot it almost every week don't think you can go wrong with this one.
Robert



Having laid my hands on this rifle/shotgun before Robert...I will attest that it is a sweet little combo!

Because of him, I purchased my first double rifle a 450/400! These are addicting!


And yes I have bloodied it!


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Edited by sactoller (29/03/14 01:21 PM)

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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: sactoller]
      #244966 - 04/04/14 05:35 AM

Well done Jason !!!!!!!

Robert

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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: bwanabobftw]
      #247571 - 20/05/14 02:35 PM

How does handling and recoil of a 30/30 compare to a .303 British or 8x57JRS in the little Chapuis DR? What other classic calibers in this size class are worth consideration?

I have bigger DR's so, I want something with authority inside 100 yards to plant nasty critters (feral hogs and ...<criminal activity>...).

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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: Sid_Post]
      #247589 - 21/05/14 01:26 AM

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How does handling and recoil of a 30/30 compare to a .303 British or 8x57JRS

As you should know, .30-30 has been very popular in Winchester 94 rifles. Most of those are very light weight rifles so it´s quite easy figure that recoil isn´t any problem. My good friend use .30-30 Win 94 as his favourite white tail deer rifle here in Finland and so he is an uncommon fellow among local hunters who mostly use .308.

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Re: Chapuis Double Rifle in 30-30. Anyone have one? [Re: Igorrock]
      #247624 - 21/05/14 09:55 PM

After shortening the LOP, and using several handloads and factory, the results on the little Chapuis 30-30 are impressive! It regulates very well with all loads!! From 150 factory, to Leverevolution 160 gr at 2400 fps, and anything in between! Lead is a bust, however. I am very impressed, and I can take it out and blow 50 rounds downrange with total comfort! QD scope mount returns to zero perfectly.
Doug

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