lancaster
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I see this just accidentally
very nice Ross rifle you dont see every overhauled (?) on the extrem high standard we know by this maker
Model of 1910 .280 Sporting Rifle
Caliber : .280 Ross
A rare “Sporting Rifle” built by Ross – Canada on their mod.1910 action and chambered for the flat shooting .280 High Velocity.
The straight pull 1910 action is incredibly smooth. Maneuvering the short rear lever unlocks the six lugs bolt head and the feeding is so easy that it’s difficult to know if the magazine is fully loaded or empty!
A small safety lever, marked SAFE and READY blocks the firing pin.
The 26″ barrel sports a folding, platinum lined, single leaf rear sight inscribed 0-500.Yds regulated on a Marble front bead fitted to a banded support. A little peep sight folds down in the rear bridge of the action and pops up when pushing a small latch.
An Hensoldt Wetzlar “Duralyt” 6×42 R.1 scope is fitted to the left side with a 1932 Griffin & Howe quick detachable mount.
The nicely figured French walnut slim classic stock displays a schnabel tipped forend, a slender capped grip and a 13?” LOP on the steel buttplate.
All the metal parts retain the greater part of the original rust blue finish and the bore is mirror like.
A lot of .280 cartridges and a set of RCBS reloading dies are furnished with that rifle that weights 7lbs 8oz alone & 8lbs 10oz scoped.
Price (€) : 8000
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They are pretty cool rifles. Had a .303 Ross rifle in my lockup for a few months, storing it for a friend. Of course, I got to handle it a bit - as you say - very smooth.
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another one for sale on gunbroker.com http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=448129820
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A very nice vintage Canadian built Ross M-1910 280 Ross straight pull sporting rifle. 280 Ross caliber, magazine fed, straight pull sporting rifle with long 28" barrel! Looks like this one is all original with nicely checkered stock showing a few handling marks and original steel checkered butt plate. Bore has nice strong rifling and is frosted and very serviceable. Action is crisp, safety works as it should. Original satin blue finish is excellent on both receiver and barrel showing a few light scratches. Trigger guard and magazine floor plate show light even wear probably from carrying in the field. Ross built both sporting and military rifles using this design for both Canada and briefly the US military. The 280 Ross caliber was one of the first high velocity rounds approaching 3000fps and was a popular weapon for European hunters traveling to Africa. A very interesting design, well built, and with very British proportions. This one comes with a vintage sling."
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The Ross Action has always interested me. Maybe it is because I am a mechanical engineer by training. E. Keith hated them but Mc Bride (Rifleman Went To War) loved them. I guess a lot of the negative items are due to the fact that the rifle can be assembled wrong with nasty results. I wonder why the Swiss K31 never caught on as a sporting rifle. It is a much superior design.
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The Ross appears to me to be a simpler action than the K31 and definitely far stronger. No one has yet succeeded in blowing up a 1910 Ross action with whatever they can fit in a .280 case, plugged barrel or not. The blowback incidents are still slightly mysterious, but most are explained by misconfiguration of the bolt head. On some early M-10 .280 rifles, this was quite easy as the extractor slot was ramped at one end. This was later corrected, and it then became necessary to remove the extractor or completely disassemble the bolt in order to get it together incorrectly. Even when incorrectly assembled, most bolts will not slide smoothly onto the guide rails. Ross barrels were known to be quite long-lasting and there are many which have obviously fired thousands and thousands of rounds from the wear seen in them today.
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I think a Ross would be a great rifle to use, but the .280 used an odd bore diameter, if i recall. Bit of a shame/pain.
.280 is a good looking, very big, elegantly tapered cartridge. Sorta like a .375 H&H without the belt in appearance
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The Ross Action has always interested me. Maybe it is because I am a mechanical engineer by training. E. Keith hated them but Mc Bride (Rifleman Went To War) loved them. I guess a lot of the negative items are due to the fact that the rifle can be assembled wrong with nasty results. I wonder why the Swiss K31 never caught on as a sporting rifle. It is a much superior design.
I think I'm going to play around with a K31 a little and see if it is possible to remodel it into something like the Ross. That would be interesting.
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pc hunting rifle build with he K 31 action are rare, most "sporters" dont look good
this one for sale in switzerland once was maybe enough for my own standards
here is a K 31 and a G 11 in 10,3x60R for sale but being listed on the site of the Graubünden Hunting Association you can be sure this are single shot's
http://bkpjv.ch/jaegermarkt/index.html
here is a wild boar hunt in Rossgassmoos, Willisau/ Switzerland 1946/47, a time when crop damage was never tolerate and wild boars did not live in switzerland. this boars came probably over the german boarder were it was not possible anymore to reduce them because of the post war conditions.
https://wbannodazumal.wordpress.com/2013/11/
you see a lot of K 31 on this pic
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The Ross M1910 sporters look really good in general. Nice long barrel, good wood and checkering, open sight.
The thing that puts me off is the odd size bullets. If there is a way around this I may have to buy one!
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you can paper patch regular 7mm bullets, Ross Seyfried has written of this.
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The Ross is a interesting and seemingly fine rifle. Easily scoped for those who prefer. When chambered for the .280 I would think a scope to be near mandatory for its use.
In the .280 Ross and the .275H&H I have had success with the 160gr Nosler Part. Its open back and the slap of 60+ grs of powder seem to "make" them fit.
As to a Sporter K-31, I seem to remember a recent release of a line of custom rifles on this action revived and newly produced. Lynx Co. maybe ???
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The .280 Ross and .280 Halger are one and the same, I believe.
As to mis-assassmbly resulting in blowing the bolt out, didn't Ackley say this was impossible - also noted probably due to plugged bores or other indiscretions, but blamed on the rifle itself instead of stupidity?
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Daryl & OG:
I acquired a Ross M-10 in .303 many years ago for the sole purpose of testing the "bolt mis-assembly" theory for myself. The rifle was a deactivated DP example and I picked it up for beer money. Well worth it for the first-hand lesson.
The bolt can indeed be assembled and fitted to the action in such a way as to fire the cartridge without the locking lugs (threads?) being engaged. I can only assume that the results of firing it in that condition are not exaggerated in the literature!
Granted, the mis-assembler would have to be a little dense to do this and not notice, but it is certainly possible, and not difficult!
My understanding is that a vertical pin through the bolt body was a retro-fit that worked, but by the time that was conceived the M-10 had proven itself short in Canadian service on the Western Front and was replaced by the Lee Enfield.
In the sporting field however, these limitations need never arise and as I understand it the reputation of the .280 Sporter was untarnished.
Apologies for the minor thread hijack, I do incline to ramble sometimes...
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Here someone tested a Ross Mk III, firing it with a misassembled, unlocked bolt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaSui_UqDX8
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lancaster
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not a good day when this happen for you but better than a Blaser R 93 Gardena rifle blowing out the bolt
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Woodleigh make the correct size bullets.
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TKS kuduae - good video. Perhaps the bolt Ackley attempted to get together incorrectly, was a pinned one.
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Couple of nice 1910 Ross Sporters.
Mine has seen a lot of use and isn't nearly as nice as these.
A War-Time steel penny cut in half makes the front sight blade on mine. A chipped toe was repaired by simply bending the steel butt plate over to match it. A deer camp rifle as a friend called it.
They can shoot well at times with standard 7mm bullets,,some not. You can only give them a try an find out.
But they are interesting.
That pop-up peep site on the rear bridge is called a Porter Sight IIRC. That was an extra cost feature on the 1910 Sporter.
The open single leaf rear sight is interesting too,,,0-500yrds. Mighty flat shooting round!
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lancaster
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280 Ross for sale http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6202998
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Marrakai
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Interesting that this has gone BTT, I just bought one of these sporters last week in .280 Ross, with a period Aldis scope. It has to come from interstate however so might be a little while before I can post photos.
It will be great to compare.
Thanks Lancaster!
Meanwhile re-reading accounts of Grey's mis-adventures on the Athi Plains, and searching for a set of .280 Ross dies.
Ah, the fun!
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The .280 Ross and .280 Halger are one and the same, I believe.
As to mis-assassmbly resulting in blowing the bolt out, didn't Ackley say this was impossible - also noted probably due to plugged bores or other indiscretions, but blamed on the rifle itself instead of stupidity?
Yes the .280 Ross and .280 Halger Magnum are the same case in dimensions except the Halger case is necked for the standard .284" bullet and rifles barreled for the same.
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Marrakai
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Here's a quick preview of my recent acquisition, will post better pics when I get time.
Bore is VGC, bright and shiny with crisp rifling, so will be a shooter if I can line up all the components.
The scope is a 1916 Aldis, very nice, but the rings are modern so will have to go, and the bridge-mount is 'interesting' but appears to be welded on (!) so may have to stay.
The front receiver-ring has an engine-turned top panel rather than the usual ROSS RIFLE Co Canada etc, and appears to be factory-original. I have been unable to find another quite like it on the web, not sure of the significance.
Will enjoy the research, and eventually shooting the world's first high-velocity magnum! (hopefully!)
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Nice pick up. Please keep us up to date as it progresses.
I was kind of glad to see it was sold. I knew it was out of my budget and beyond my current abilities to make amunition for, but i was still going through every option of how i could make it mine.
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You lot do not help a bloke at all. Was never interested in the Ross because of the stories. Now thanks to you mob and kuduae in particular one is now on my must have list and I am, correction, was trying to save some money.  
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lancaster
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yes, we are false cognates
just now I fight with myself to talk the idea out of my mind about this big bore, bigger than most of you having
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